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 No.944211>>944304 >>944308 >>944357 >>945703 >>946198 >>946748 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Google warns Android might not remain free because of EU decision

<An unlikely warning

<By Tom Warren @tomwarren Jul 18, 2018, 8:54am EDT

https://archive.fo/z5HxF https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/17585396/google-android-eu-fine-response

<The EU’s decision to force Google to unbundle its Chrome and search apps from Android[1] may have some implications for the future of Android’s free business model. In a blog post defending Google’s decision[2] to bundle search and Chrome apps on Android, Google CEO Sundar Pichai outlines the company’s response to the EU’s $5 billion fine[1]. Pichai highlights the fact a typical Android user will “install around 50 apps themselves” and can easily remove preinstalled apps. But if Google is prevented from bundling its own apps, that will upset the Android ecosystem.

<“If phone makers and mobile network operators couldn’t include our apps on their wide range of devices, it would upset the balance of the Android ecosystem,” explains Pichai, carefully avoiding the fact that phone makers will no longer be forced to bundle these apps but can still choose to do so. Pichai then hints that the free Android business model has relied on this app bundling. “So far, the Android business model has meant that we haven’t had to charge phone makers for our technology, or depend on a tightly controlled distribution model,” says Pichai. “But we are concerned that today’s decision will upset the careful balance that we have struck with Android, and that it sends a troubling signal in favor of proprietary systems over open platforms.”

<Pichai’s subtle talk of a “careful balance” of the Android business model will be seen as a warning shot to consumers, phone makers, and the European Commission. The EU has made no suggestions on exactly how Google should solve its app bundling violations. But it’s clear that if phone makers can bundle their own browsers instead of Chrome and point search queries toward rivals, then that could have implications for Google’s mobile ad revenue, which constitutes more than 50 percent[3] of the company’s net digital ad revenue.

<Google is warning that its Android business model could now change, and that may mean the company will need to consider licensing Android to phone makers. It’s an unlikely scenario that relies on consumers not seeking out Chrome or Google search on Android after Google’s unbundling. Given Google’s dominance in search and browsers and the popularity of its many web services, Pichai’s warning looks more like a bluff to court popular opinion than a genuine threat that Android will no longer be free.

[1]: https://archive.fo/oAEWW https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/17580694/google-android-eu-fine-antitrust

[2]: https://archive.fo/jpKYD https://www.blog.google/around-the-globe/google-europe/android-has-created-more-choice-not-less/

[3]: https://archive.fo/ps4GU https://www.recode.net/2017/7/24/16020330/google-digital-mobile-ad-revenue-world-leader-facebook-growth

tl;dr: Google pretends to be the victim after being fined for abusing its monopoly over Android phones

 No.944218>>944241 >>944250 >>944444 >>944713 >>946008

and this is the problem with permissive licenses. If it was under the GPL Google couldn't just make it all proprietary.


 No.944220>>944221 >>944245 >>944250 >>944278

Isn't Android based on a linux kernel and can't be for sale?


 No.944221>>944250 >>944726

>>944220

1. Android is not Linux, the kernel, it is a kernel.

2. There is nothing wrong with selling Linux.


 No.944224>>944250

>if I let you out of my torture dungeon, you'll have to start feeding yourself everyday

This is a good thing. The pricing model will be figured into the cost of the phone, most likely.


 No.944241>>944250 >>946757

>>944218

thats the need for permissive licenses so there are consequences when some faggot pirate government steals your money with (((fines))). taxation is theft. google is within they're right to hire a hitman squad to murder the eu buraecrates.


 No.944245>>944250 >>944278

>>944220

Free software is software that respects the users' freedom. It is neither illegal nor immoral to sell free software. When people say you can't sell free software, what they actually mean is that you can't earn a profit selling free software when you do it according to a particular business model of selling proprietary software.


 No.944250>>944278 >>944304

>>944218

The true problem here is tivoization. If it were easy for people to install compteting OSs on these mobiles, this would have been little to no problem.

>>944220

Selling free software is O.K., as long as source code follows or it costs no more than the binaries.

>>944241

On the one hand, I hate Google for their datamining, on the other hand I hate the EU for their corrupt bureaucracy. I really don't know which is worse.

t. Snownigger

>>944221

>>944224

>>944245

This!


 No.944257>>944278 >>944286 >>944287

>cry about MS force-bundling IE

>cry about not being allowed to force-bundle apps

Fuck Jewgle.


 No.944278>>944286

>>944220

>>944245

>>944250

Most companies which "sell" free software most of the time aren't actually selling the software but instead selling a guarantee that the software is going to work. The license that Canonical sells is really a service level agreement in which they guarantee to the customer that Ubuntu is going to work with 99.99xxx% levels of reliability and that any downtime which exceeds this will incur fines to be paid by Canonical to the customer to cover any losses.

The license agreement Google has for Android probably has similar provisions, its just that now they will be charging for it.

>>944257

It wasn't Google who bitched about MS force bundling IE, also that was only a small aspect of the antitrust case brought against MS.


 No.944279

good


 No.944286>>944317

>>944257

THIS

>>944278

>It wasn't Google who bitched about MS force bundling IE

liar, liar, pants on fire. Even in 2009 Google was still going on about it.

>Google is pointing the finger at Microsoft, accusing its proprietary browser, Internet Explorer, of the fact that it is keeping its own breed of open source browser dubbed Chrome uncompetitive and that it is killing innovation. The Mountain View search giant is blaming the bundling of Internet Explorer with the Windows platform as the source of what it referred to as a largely uncompetitive browser market

https://news.softpedia.com/news/Google-IE-Is-Keeping-Chrome-Uncompetitive-and-Kills-Innovation-105391.shtml

https://archive.fo/e65Dn


 No.944287>>944302 >>946475

>>944257

It's not even force bundling, Google actively steers you away from relevant results on their search engine.

For example, search about freetube on google and searx.me and compare the results.


 No.944302>>944303

>>944287

>It's not even force bundling

Yes it is force bundling as well.


 No.944303

>>944302

I forgot a

JUST

there, sorry for the confusion


 No.944304>>944434

>>944211 (OP)

>barring Jewgle from forcing handset makers to bundle Jewgle's datamining proprietary crapware is somehow opposing 'open platforms'

The mental gymnastics are incredible

>implying android was ever an 'open platform' (try making the newest android run on an EOL (i.e. 2+ years old) handset. Plenty of apps require Jewgle Play Services)

>>944250

>The true problem here is tivoization.

There's (almost) no tivoization here; you're free to install any OS you want (assuming unlocked bootloader). The problem is the proprietary drivers (companies drop support left and right for old SoCs) and the porting nightmare any OS developer is faced with.

You see, mobile phones don't have a standarized platform like the IBM PC to build upon. There's no BIOS or UEFI equivalent for phones, so each phone's booting process is varies.


 No.944308>>944368 >>944434

>>944211 (OP)

I honestly don't give a shit. My next smartphone will be Librem 5 and the current one is running LineageOS without google's shitware. Besides, Android has been FLOSS for years and even if they stopped making the source code open picking up from v8.1 is fine as there's absolutely nothing innovative google can introduce that isn't tightly bound to their services. Touchwiz, MIUI, EMUI and LineageOS can develop independently of Google's Android and can remain free of charge.


 No.944317

>>944286

>liar, liar, pants on fire. Even in 2009 Google was still going on about it.

>https://news.softpedia.com/news/Google-IE-Is-Keeping-Chrome-Uncompetitive-and-Kills-Innovation-105391.shtml

I wasn't actually aware of that, I only knew of the actual case which the US Gov brought against MS back in 2001 for the shit they did in the 90s.


 No.944357

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>>944211 (OP)

>google is so big they can run their shit at a loss while locking-in customers and other companies into their ecosystem

>literally the thing anti-trust laws are meant to stop

>based EU says Alphabet should start competing fairly

>"o-oy, goy, stop them or else We will have to charge you, and we don't won't that since you won't pay as much as your data is worth"

>Americucks screeeching in the distance about rapefugees and why the EU can't be as cucked as them

There's no rape if you let Tyrone fuck your wife


 No.944368>>944369 >>944384

>>944308

>me, me, me

Do you realize there are billions of spying devices running Android around you that might make any attempt at securing your own privacy futile unless you're a hermit.

This affects all of us.


 No.944369

>>944368

You cannot control what other people choose to carry for themselves. You can only control yourself. If you believe that other people's Android phones will intrude on your privacy out in public, you cannot compel them to stop using their phones. If you believe that your right to privacy is important, then the only logical conclusion is to become a hermit and stay away from them. That is the only way that doesn't force society against their desire to carry their phones.


 No.944384

>>944368

>everyone can see me in the streets, therefore I'm fine with having cameras in my bedroom

Fuck off


 No.944386

joogle and amerimutt corporation worshippers btfo


 No.944434>>944464

>>944304

>Plenty of apps require Jewgle Play Services

And I use none of them. All my apps come from F-Droid.

>>944304

>The problem is the proprietary drivers ... mobile phones don't have a standarized platform ...

This. If it was standardized and writing free software drivers for most phones was actually feasible, we could potentially be running Replicant on our phones right now. (And the telephony still wouldn't work because it's not and never will be open. Thanks, kikes.) The way things are looking, Jewgle is going to lock Android down and swap in Fuchsia while they're at it. Now if you want an OS for a cianigger phone or even just a tablet for reading pdfs on in bed, you're going to have to settle for one of the DE's attempts at mobile interface and the (lack of) apps that support mobile devices.

>>944308

>LineageOS can develop independently of Google's Android and can remain free of charge.

Nigger, have you seen the LOS maintainers? Support is hit or miss if you don't have a Google or Samsung. Many "supported" phones aren't on Oreo yet. It's because of drivers and Linux kernel modifications that haven't been open sourced yet. Sure, they could theoretically fork Android and begin working on LOS Plus - all our own work edition, but it would not be able to run new apps and new phones would not be supported. Keep in mind those phones don't last forever due to planned obsolescence. All we're going to have if this goes through is the Librem 5.

I hope they don't do this, because while I really don't need a phone, I'd like to have a less botnet airgapped tablet that isn't bloated so I can use it as a notepad, calendar, cheap art tablet, and ereader. Librem Tablet when?


 No.944444

>>944218

open drone hardware. open assassination software. permissive licenses are the endgame and the arbiters.


 No.944445

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>forcing us to give the users choice is threatening to keeping our ecosystem open


 No.944464>>944465 >>944502

>>944434

>Plenty of apps require Jewgle Play Services

That's nice and dandy until it effects your personal life, digital interaction with friends and communication with your coworkers. NEETs don't have these problems though.


 No.944465

>>944464

meant to quote

>And I use none of them. All my apps come from F-Droid.


 No.944468

>/tech/ - law


 No.944502

>>944464

>digital communication with friends

They just text or phone me, which is already insecure. You guys are my real friends though.

>communication with coworkers

Company email. If needed, I can look into getting a separate full botnet phone, only using it for work, and locking it in a safe at work when I go home.


 No.944713

>>944218

Sort of. They still own AOSP so they can change the license whenever. Everything released under GPL however, must have the source code available.


 No.944726>>944740

>>944221

>monetize everything!!!

Are you selling your ass to men? Do it now, or you're not a capitalist.


 No.944740>>944750

>>944726

>Are you selling your ass to men? Do it now, or you're not a capitalist.

Everyone has a price.


 No.944750


 No.945703>>946389 >>946405

>>944211 (OP)

This should have been done to Microsoft in the 90s after all the fucking ridiculous shit that they did to force Internet Explorer down people's throats. Anyway, whatever is bad for Google is good for me, so I hope they just keep making Android worse and worse and hopefully it won't exist in ten years and people will actually have options and be able to choose what they want to use. Then again, these phones shouldn't exist to begin with either.


 No.945793>>945990

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>go to The Verge article and read comments

>they're all on topic, even those who clearly have no clue about the subject, and discussing the topic at hand

>read the comments of these news in various chans

>all comments are "cuck normies Jews kike white nigger fag XDDD" and any attempt at discussion is shut down with name-calling and/or Pepe/Wojak images

When did ir go so wrong? Technology boards in *chan are shit if even the fucking Verge has better comments.


 No.945990

>>945793

Then stay there.


 No.946008

>>944218

Wrong. Google could still make it proprietary since they own the copyright.


 No.946046>>946197

>>945997

Hey, fag, Chromium is proprietary and literally authored to be integrated with the Google ecosystem.


 No.946197>>946291

>>946046

Chromium is entirely open source. But the codebase is not developed for a "deGoogled", privacy-sensitive use case. It's pretty much Chrome without the branding.


 No.946198

>>944211 (OP)

>tl;dr: Google pretends to be the victim after being fined for abusing its monopoly over Android phones

/thread


 No.946283>>946285

>$5 billion fine

Pay $1 million for 1000 programmers to write a new browser.

Pay $1 million for 1000 programmers to debotnet Android and patch for a long time.

Pay $1 million for 1000 programmers/designers to make RetroShare/GNUnet usable on Android.

Pay $1 million for 1000 celebrities to show some tutorials how to use Android without the botnet services every day.

Pay $1 million for 1000 politicians just because.


 No.946285

>>946283

>Pay $1 million for 100 politicians just because.

FTFY


 No.946291>>946766

>>946197

Chromium is not entirely "open source", unless open source encompasses blobs and unlicensed code that you can't redistribute.


 No.946357>>946363

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Year of the Replicant Smartphone never ever, unfortunately. :'(((((((


 No.946363

>>946357

You can buy a Technoethical phone right now for, like, half a thousand euros. At that price, though, I think it's a better idea just to hold out for the Librem.


 No.946389

>>945703

>This should have been done to Microsoft in the 90s after all the fucking ridiculous shit that they did to force Internet Explorer down people's throats

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp_v_Commission


 No.946405

>>945703

I hope for the love of God this is bait.


 No.946475

>>944287

Search "White man", "White woman", "White couple", "White woman with baby" etc on jewgle images


 No.946682>>946709

>troubling signal in favor of proprietary systems over open platforms

I cannot install another OS on my phone. I can't remove Google's apps. I can't remove the Google search bar. I can't even fucking change UI colors. Android is a locked down, dumbed down pile of shit that has no relation to "open platforms." And it's already not free because people pay hundreds of dollars/euros for a phone. Who gives a shit what it costs to manufacturers, you aren't getting it for free as customer.


 No.946709

>>946682

And you're just describing the bare Android system, depending on what phone you buy, you get some shit apps preinstalled on top of the Jewgle shit.


 No.946748

>>944211 (OP)

android 8.1 already had google built in on the launcher. Haven't tested los15 but I think some builds might get even dirtier unless they reimplement trebuchet


 No.946757

>>944241

Don't let your AnCap dystopian dreams just be memes.


 No.946766

>>946291

That's chrome not chromium




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