▶ No.927240
>>927229 (OP)
>code is people
If the coding skills of Indian web developers are any indication, then yes.
▶ No.927245>>927281 >>957109
>I went on IRC and they didn't help me :((
What a travesty!
How can people seriously expect the entire world to be their support at beck and call? So self centered and inconsiderate of the person on the other end. Calling someone a shithead when they're trying to help a stranger, when that stranger is being a shithead themselves. But place the fault on them. Ludicrous.
▶ No.927248>>927433
>>927229 (OP)
>the next slide isn't nice
▶ No.927252>>927253 >>927254 >>927255 >>927256 >>927267
Everyone quick! I want to know how SMP schedulers work!? A little HELP PLEASE!!!!???
▶ No.927253
>>927252
KILL YOURSELF TO DEATH >:^(
▶ No.927254
>>927252
Okay that's like 30 seconds and NO ONE has helped me. You're all shitlords. Now I know a small bit about what it feels like for my LGBTQPBBQ biracial othergendered friends!
▶ No.927255>>927257 >>927258 >>927281
>>927252
I can't explain it without being offensive, please share your pronouns with me. <3
▶ No.927256>>927261
▶ No.927257
>>927255
><3
RAPE IN PROGRESS
▶ No.927258
>>927255
Fee/Fi/Fo/Fum
><3
I did NOT consent to that.
▶ No.927259
I don't think all the things in that slideshow are fundamentally bad, bet the author regresses into the same condescending, liberal logic that fails to realize humor and antagonism are precisely the thing that humanizes one another. They're like that white guy who thinks minorities should be respected and we should feign ignorance to stereotypes, when most well-intentioned minorities are more than eager to make fun of those stereotypes; the latter is founded on the premise that those prejudices are true while the latter is far more liberating.
▶ No.927261
>>927256
You're othering me, just because I don't have the brains to install gentoo. All I wanted was a simple explanation for how SMP works at the hardware and software level, with an emphasis on high speed schedulers that limit hazards in microprocessors. And you little shits just keep putting me down.
▶ No.927264>>927281
>>927262
I NEEEEEED a COC or else it's IMPOSSIBLE TO PROGRAM!!!!! AAAAAH!
▶ No.927266
>>927262
Oh CoC's need to be re-evaluated alright.
At my place
▶ No.927267
>>927252
Masters n slaves.
▶ No.927271
>>927262
well hopefully now all the fake engineers start writing these pretentious slides about CoC now instead of pretending to be about something useful so we waste less of our time going through them (not that i've read any engineering bullshit on the internet for a few years)
▶ No.927274>>927328
>GATEKEEPING
>- Install Gentoo
what the fuck am i reading tho
>stallman is radical
i can't tell where the irony is supposed to start or end and dont have time to read more than a slide or two. the fact that people think stallman is radical is proof that there is no free speech in the west. if someone did something just barely "radical", such as disclosing masses of vulns in software to prove how shit it is, they'd be v& instantly, regardless of what laws the west pretends to have
▶ No.927275>>952690
>>927229 (OP)
Tbh I mostly agree with his slides except with his conclusion about CoCs and memes being bad.
▶ No.927281>>927294 >>927322
>>927245
>How can people seriously expect the entire world to be their support at beck and call? So self centered and inconsiderate of the person on the other end. Calling someone a shithead when they're trying to help a stranger, when that stranger is being a shithead themselves. But place the fault on them. Ludicrous.
>>927255
>pronouns
>>927264
>I NEEEEEED a COC or else it's IMPOSSIBLE TO PROGRAM!!!!! AAAAAH!
The author didn't even say or imply ANY of that.
▶ No.927293
This is the most pathetic thing I've read in a long time. The baddies are Linus, RMS, Theo and ESR. Fuck me if that doesn't tell you exactly what kind of faggots these are.
>"Communications major"
>major
>not even a fucking degree holder
>using windows is good, fuck the fsf because... memes
>memes are funny when they make fun of RMS but not when they apply to me
>good communities exist: /r/unixporn
>we are elite hackers and that's why we need to stop bullies harassing us
lmfao
▶ No.927294>>927300
>>927281
>>I NEEEEEED a COC or else it's IMPOSSIBLE TO PROGRAM!!!!! AAAAAH!
>The author didn't even say or imply ANY of that.
>See also, SE LinuxFest talk "Your Project Needs A Code Of Conduct, OR ELSE"
▶ No.927295
whoops, left trip on, wew
▶ No.927300
>>927294
>I NEEEEEED a COC
He did say that
>or else it's IMPOSSIBLE TO PROGRAM!!!!! AAAAAH!
He did not say that
▶ No.927322>>927325 >>927329
>>927281
The image literally quotes the guy calling people on IRC shitheads for not helping him.
▶ No.927325>>927329
>>927322
The image literally quotes the guy calling people on IRC shitheads for insulting him and calling him a liar. Faggots who think they know better what others actually want are shitheads. They're useless, they waste everyone's time including their own.
▶ No.927327
>being upset that other people are upset
lol faggots, who cares
▶ No.927328>>927364 >>927433 >>927514 >>928234 >>928339
I don't know what they teach you in a "communication" degree, but it cannot be worth shit if you cannot tell the difference between a chat like IRC and a forum like Reddit. Chats are for, well chatting, duh. You cannot expect a comprehensive response from a chat room, and most of the people in the room are actually away from the machine or doing something else. By the time they get to read the chat your message is long gone. On the other hand, forum posts can contain larger posts, are preserved and are suitable for actual discussions. So of course you will get a better response from Reddit.
>>927274
But Stallman is radical. There is nothing wrong with being radical in itself; I am a radical in my belief that running over people with your car is unacceptable. Yes, most people would agree with that sentiment, but lack of popularity is not what makes you radical, it is the firmness with which you hold your belief. You are not a radical believer that running people over with your car is unacceptable, then you are someone who is willing to turn a blind eye or think that running people over is not something you would do, but you don't want to impose your morals on other people, or some weak shit like that.
In the same way, Stallman is radical about Free Software, he absolutely refuses it. Most people here tolerate proprietary software to some extent: we play non-Free games, have non-Free divers, run non-Free JavaScript; just a little bit of proprietary software won't hurt, right? So we are not radicals.
>>927262
The problem with most CoCs is that they have an impressive length, but they lack the strong firmness of a real legal document. They are floppy and soft, while a real CoC would be maybe a bit shorter, but it would get you to the point much quicker. So always remember, it's not about the size of your CoC, it about how you write it.
▶ No.927329>>927368
>>927322
>>927325
Here, have an example. Every time I'm looking up how to remove a user's password on freebsd without locking the account (to use sudo or doas instead) I'm stumbling over this thread: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/27558/
>How do I remove a password without locking the account?
<Why would you want that?
<Here's how you lock the account. Or just do this unrelated thing. But why would you want this?
>I've found a solution and here it is
<No, in fact you're doing this bullshit
>No I'm not, see the documentation here
<No, you want to do something different
>No I'm not and I already told you
<In fact you want to do ..
...
Absolutely worthless replies to a perfectly valid question.
▶ No.927331>>927332 >>927336 >>927369 >>940059
<free software is srs business
The presenter is just mad that he gets bullied for using proprietary software.
>Stop using X piece of proprietary software
<T-that's a "No True Scotsman" fallacy
Except there are many people who do all of their computing using free software.
▶ No.927332>>927335 >>927369
>>927331
>The presenter is just mad that he gets bullied for using proprietary software.
He uses proprietary software. So fucking what? Might as well bully him for random shit.
>>Stop using X piece of proprietary software
><T-that's a "No True Scotsman" fallacy
Did you skip over that heretics part? "Install gentoo" is a common meme phrase and an generally unhelpful reply to any question about any proprietary software. He's implying people are being imlicitly called no true scotsmen for using any proprietary software. There are few things that are less interesting than what software some random internet people use.
▶ No.927335>>927337 >>927369
>>927332
You're the textbook retard who needs to be told to fuck off for the good of any community. You don't belong. Get over it.
▶ No.927336
>>927331
I agree with you in part. It's true that many people aspire to use free software and do their best to do so, and it's very obnoxious that some one who feels no shame in using proprietary software sees himself in the same category as people who are trying their Goddamn best not to use proprietary software, but he's right in the sense that we're all using proprietary something, whether that be your bios, the firmware in a router, or, more commonly, we need proprietary drivers because we're stuck with shitty computers.
I hate these whiny macbook hipsters who abuse our trust and try to force their way into free software circles that they're one and the same, but I'm also not fond of elitism, because it implies that we can't aspire to be better.
▶ No.927337>>927341
>>927335
Please elaborate. Am I not elitist enough? Do I not give enough fucks to circlejerk here? There's nothing wrong with my gentoo installation, do you want me to install it again?
▶ No.927339>>927342
>hurr people were rude to me and didn't help me solve my problem
>hurr they just told me "lmao here are the instruments go perform cardiothoracic surgery on yourself"
You can 100% ignore this retard. I especially like the comparison to medicine because it's similar to IT in many ways. Like IT, you have literally thousands of completely clueless people asking you stupid questions on a daily basis and those people can be difficult and sometimes entitled and they may refuse to listen to your advice because they have the freedom to be retarded. However, there are important differences.
Unlike IT, medical professionals are getting paid handsomely for their work. They're also respected and trusted professionals who are valued pretty much everywhere they go in any society and in any country. People are actually thankful when a doctor successfully helps them, because the patient-doctor relationship is a personal one, quite unlike that of some service man. Trust me, all these factors do wonders for their ability to put up with complete morons every single day of their lives. No, they aren't doing this to "help people" -- that kind of idealism gets killed by the medical school itself due to the brutal training requirements and work hours.
IT support professionals don't get paid well. They aren't respected: they're quite literally the lowest level position in the hierarchy. They're treated like uneducated monkeys. Nobody fucking cares about support staff, but those that get paid still smile and do their job anyways because they probably need the money. The IRC people are not getting paid. They're putting their own time into these projects, and they have absolutely zero obligation to anyone who enters the IRC chat room.
Doctors provide specialized expertise that's vital for any community. People are going to fucking die needlessly if doctors aren't around. Even when doctors go on strike, at least some of them must keep working in emergency services because otherwise people are going to fucking die because someone had a heart attack and there was no one there at the hospital to handle it. What happens when a moron doesn't get the help he needs on IRC? Worst case he gets fired for being an incompetent fuck who expects unpaid volunteer workers to do his job for him and cater to his special needs. Yet this moron thinks his little request has the same urgency and importance as life-saving surgery performed by a completely different class of professionals.
Don't listen to this shit. Just work on whatever you want to work on and do whatever you want to do. Help others if you want, but you're under absolutely no obligation to do so. They can complain about how you aren't meeting their expectations when they start paying you for your work. Free software isn't used because "hurr community", it's used because it's better. People merge hardware code into Linux because their customers need that shit and they're going to be left behind if they don't. It's just moronic to think these people have any sort of leverage over you.
▶ No.927341>>927343
>>927337
wait you actually installed gentoo? lol
▶ No.927342>>927347 >>927354
>>927339
No one's forcing you to reply to anybody on IRC. So why freak out about people who ask in a place that's there for asking?
▶ No.927343>>927346
>>927341
You didn't? I've never had a more reliable and comfy distro.
▶ No.927346
>>927343
>told to install gentoo
>installs gentoo
>all problems are solved
What are you complaining about again?
▶ No.927347>>927360
>>927342
Nobody's forcing anyone not to reply either. Maybe they thought it was stupid and decided to laugh at him. There's no professionalism here.
▶ No.927353
>>927229 (OP)
Part 1/4
Kek if this guy see this thread I bet that he'll think that it just proves is point.
P6
It implies that he show/has compassion for others.
P7
>Everyone here is, and everyone can be, a free software advocate
This is not correct libre planet as it fair share of CIA, NSA, google and facebook agents among other people who use Free software as a puppet to push their agenda.
P9
>I’LL BET SOME OF YOU ARE HERETICS, LIKE ME.
Ah yes I bet that he stumbled onto people who disagreed with him for using proprietary software. It's not a bad thing if these people did not exist free software wouldn't be very much used. What's a bad thing tho is people who go full retard on the subject and highlighting these people is not going to help.
P10
>USE ANY OF THESE THINGS?
Lot's of these are botnet I wouldn't recommend them but it's your choice after all I would just ask you to not promote them as much as possible. A lot of these are avoidable nowadays.
P13
>BECAUSE S OY L E N T G R E E N FREE
SOFTWARE IS PEOPLE
This is a fallacious reasoning, free software is made or used by people, it's a tool nothing more nothing else all tools influence people.
P14
>cap
This is kinda a freaky/cult like way of thinking
P15
>HOW WE TALK TO EACH OTHER MATTERS
Yes and how we react to it matters as much.
>First impressions are hard to break
Then maybe that person shouldn't react like that, I mean what kind of a reasonable man would go away after only one experience.
>How people encounter free software is rarely neutral and early impressions are often through media consumption.
>Lots of people don’t realize they’re using free software.
This is true.
>We have some history to get past.
Not really, we should remember more of that history because nowadays is really shit compared to the old times. Even tho the results nowadays shows that it just works.
P16
>TRUST IS EARNED IN DROPS AND LOST IN BUCKETS
Nothing new, it takes a whole life to build a reputation and a few minutes to destroy it.
▶ No.927354>>927360
>>927342
Or how about people learn to figure some things out on their own without requiring spoon feeding. Just because some government initiative bought little black you a computer, doesn't mean everyone else has to stop what they're doing because you're not competent enough to learn how to use it.
▶ No.927355
>>927229 (OP)
2/4
P18/19
>GRAVIS ASKS FOR HELP
>THAT WAS A MISTAKE
Oh no! someone capped a conversation on twitter instead of giving the links to the mailing list I wonder where this is going.
If true maybe the BSD guys did not know on how to configure what he asked, maybe Gravis didn't have any luck that one time and stumbled onto stupid people, or maybe Gravis is a victimfaggot and interpreted everything he was told as a aggression, we can't know since we don't have the links to the thread.
P22
>The fact that this is possible boggles the mind.
Maybe Gravis was wrong ?
Maybe Gravis expressed himself badly ? (poe's law)
Maybe the guys who responded to Gravis didn't express themselves correctly ? (poe's law)
>Reflects this on the larger free software community
Only unreasonable people would make such reflection.
P23
>GRAVIS’ EXPERIENCE ISN’T
That is true a lot of people are dicks on both sides.
P24
Proof that again poe's law strikes against autistic people.
P25
>THE SMALLER THE KINGDOM, THE LARGER THE TYRANT
Another wrong reasoning.
>Seen in small projects especially
Please repertory small projects where no abuse occurs.
>When rational and mature people feel upset about something, they often get angry, but only toxic and vindictive people use lies, false accusations, and exaggerations to destroy someone else’s credibility
>they often
>often
Like said in the article it's "often" not 100% of the time and the often part is just her interpretation not a true statement all the time.
>Every negative interaction someone has tints their view darker.
And water is wet, but it's certainly not how reasonable people should behave.
P26
>LIKE MENTOR, LIKE STUDENT
This implies that free will doesn't exist.
>These mentors are often seen for
>Torvalds
Yes I love Torvalds I love such much him for sucking Microsafts CoC every day and inserting blobs all the time in the kernel, bullshit aside I agree with torvalds on how he manages his community at least it was subverted into a hug space that banned hugs, he could be less rude tho.
>radical ideas and writing (e.g. Stallman)
RMS a Radical ?
>(in)famy/name-cult (e.g. ESR)
Raymond a cult guy ?
>abusive behavior among contributors (e.g. De Raadt)
De Raadt abusive ? Ok he goes full retards from time to time be otherwise he's ok.
>These behaviors self-perpetuate because their actions get
results.
Maybe they self perpetuate because they are right ?
>Punching someone gets a lot more conversation than
being nice.
That is true for journalism and what the fuck does that have to do with the subject ?
P27
>MENTOR PERCEPTION EXPRESSION IN MEMES
It's a memes, memes are here to exaggerate something false or true whether the people who made it believes in it or not, it's joke not something else.Btw there's shit tons of RMS memes who aren't depicting him as the next Stalin.
P28
>Windows users told “ditch windows, use linux” or given a table of “forget $PRODUCT and learn $OTHERTHING”
That's a bad thing ?
>Most users don’t have that ability/knowledge/skillset/time
Ability/knowledge/skillset can be learned thus a bad reason, time is a problem tho.
Most of them are lazy and do not know how to use their own computer, they just memorized the pattern that they think is good and do that for the rest of their lives without changing.
>“install an operating system” might as well be “Perform open-heart surgery on yourself” to many people.
That is a badly made example. Most users can't even understand their own folder trees.
>FSF contempt is idolized
What a load of bullshit I've discussed with a lot of FSF people and never I have seen someone who disdained users who did not know something..
P29
>THIS TRICKLES DOWN
Same as P27 it's a meme.
P30
Going on Know you Meme doesn't make you smarter.
P31
>HOW MANY OFFICE SUITES TO DO MY HOMEWORK
Another bad example made in this page because of cherry picking. Students have the control of their own choice of software except if they are forced to do so by a school or work etc... Promoting the use of Libre Office can be done in many ways people who do that badly happens just like when done correctly.
▶ No.927356
>>927229 (OP)
Part 3/4
P32
>GATEKEEPING
>“Install Gentoo”
It's a meme, it's joke, gentoo as a bad manual for beginners imo.
>Just another variant on the No True Scotsman argument in many cases
Does this guy use systemd ?
P33
>RIGHT-SPEECH
After going after free speech people go against right speech ?
>The idea that there should only be one way of describing something or expressing ideas
Maybe this guy should go on the old tech usenet discussions he'll see why correctly expressing ideas and thoughts are important.
>Language evolves quickly and you don’t own it.
Language evolves slowly otherwise everything is going out of control, what does people don't own it means ?
P35
>ELITISM
Oh boy
>Generally the result of mentor emulation
P36
>WHAT DOES THIS TELL US?
That Gravis is the only source of this docuement ?
P37
>In closing, we must rethink our approach to answering questions on forums and in chat clients
>we
>I challenge each and every single one of you to think about your responses to new users or those limited inknowledge.
Maybe he should think of how not putting everybody in the same basket.
>Helping these people to attain knowledge in different capacities can make or break their will and create a friend of open source for life...or through not helping, a foe.
With that sort of reasoning everybody in /tech/ need to get a psychiatrist diploma.... or just not be a dick and say that they can't help someone when the can't.
▶ No.927357
>>927229 (OP)
Part 4/4
P38
>Free Software communities need to be helpful.
By providing free software ?
>Fiefdoms lead to tyrants
False.
>Perceived reasons for success are more important than the actual reasons for success.
False.
>Newcomers don’t have a good view of us as a community
False
P39
>Communities like /r/LaTeX and /r/unixporn are great examples of Doing Things RightTM
>reddit
I'll give benefit of the doubt so why not.
P41/42
>WHAT DO WE DO, THEN?
>CREATE GOOD MENTORS
>we
>Call out behavior which is abusive, nip it in the bud
Yes
>Witch-hunting
Yes
>Contempt
Wasn't witch hunting bad ?
>Gatekeeping
If there's a good reason for it then no.
>Encourage positive behavior
Shall I Deflower all emacs virgin ?
P43
>RE-EVALUATE YOUR COC
GNO!
>Good CoCs define scope
No they don't the scope of your project, they define the behavior tolerated or not in them, what defines the scope of the project is the project itself.
P44
>Actively avoid those who seek power
So I'll avoid anyone who proposes cocs
P45
>ASSUME GOOD INTENT
TOP KEK
In this whole document the creator assumed that everything in GNU/linux communities are bad.
P50
>IT’S TIME TO GROW UP.
And have no fun ?
>The broader Free Software/FOSS community is immature and/or abusive.
I don't agree
>It’s our job to be model citizens of the Free Software world
>our
TL;DR he's perfect and the people he's with are perfect everybody else are the problem, there's no mitigation of who's wrong or right.
▶ No.927360>>927363 >>927371
>>927347 and >>927354
>Nobody's forcing anyone not to reply either. Maybe they thought it was stupid
Obviously.
>and decided to laugh at him.
>Or how about people learn to figure some things out on their own without requiring spoon feeding.
On a support channel. It seems like they didn't even give him a hint on where to look for a solution. That's missing the point of such an irc channel, isn't it? Not really my problem because I have no intention to go there, but I can see why he's complaining.
>here
Here is not freebsd's irc channel.
▶ No.927363>>927366
>>927360
The problem is you get people who come to the IRC channel, post the question, expect an immediate response and then bail out. That tends to annoy the crowd of regulars who try to create a community. Sometimes it cannot be helped, but the inquirer should always be respectful of everyone else's time.
▶ No.927364>>927433
>>927328
> it is the firmness with which you hold your belief
No, it's the actions that you take for your belief that defines if you are a radical or not.
If I began to go unabomber because people should be allowed to run over people then yes I am a radical.
If I began to dedicate my life to peacefully discuss with people and create a movement so that they can use their computer in total freedom then I'm not a radical.
>In the same way, Stallman is radical about Free Software, he absolutely refuses it
So RMS is a radical because of IS own choice that he imposes upon himself ?
> of a real legal document
>it about how you write it.
Not only CoCs are legally not enforceable but most of what is put in them are already in the law.
▶ No.927366
>>927363
<Is this channel alive?
<*leaves channel 1 minute later
▶ No.927368
>>927329
>a perfectly valid question.
He asked a question that wasn't clear from the beginning. the people asked for questions, they were very polite btw, and he didn't respond fast enough.
▶ No.927369>>927373 >>927393
>>927331
>T-that's a "No True Scotsman" fallacy
The "True Scotsman" thing exist and is not a fallacy, it basically means that if you aren't one of us then you are against us.
>>927332
> So fucking what?
It's bad for him.
> Might as well bully him for random shit.
Who said anything about bullying ? Plus nowadays almost everything can be done of a GNU/linux distribution, except of course when your environment forces you to do otherwise.
>"Install gentoo" is a common meme phrase and an generally unhelpful reply to any question about any proprietary software
It's a meme.
>>927335
He's partly right tho.
▶ No.927371>>927373
>>927360
It may have been a support channel once, but as time goes by all places become social hangouts for the regulars. Yes, even this place, despite the anonymity. This phenomenon has been known for decades.
▶ No.927373>>927375
>>927369
>Who said anything about bullying?
The guy I was replying to.
>>927371
If I remember correctly they have channels for all purposes, including socializing/offtopic and dev. I doubt he asked there, but it's possible.
▶ No.927375
>>927373
>The guy I was replying to.
Sorry I didn't understood that. Well by the nature of proprietary software it does enforce people to do thing one way and not another.
>>927373
Or maybe he didn't have luck and all the good moderators or people were sleeping or did just have a bad day.
▶ No.927393>>927404 >>927443 >>927539 >>930264
>>927369
>Plus nowadays almost everything can be done of a GNU/linux distribution, except of course when your environment forces you to do otherwise.
What you're referring to as "GNU" is a bunch of sort of different operating systems that usually share some important programs (although not always), such as systemd or GCC. They're sort of compatible (they might even be POSIX compatible, not that it means much nowadays), but the major distributions are not package compatible, so targeting "GNU" as a developer is a horrible pain in the ass if you plan to widely distribute a pre-built program. Actually, they're not even compatible between distro versions of the same distro, so you have to build for every version of each distro still in use. There is finally some real progress on this problem that was considered not-a-problem for a very long time, despite the fact that major distributions were fouling up their repositories and making increasingly inane decisions, such as the Debian libav debacle. Its still far from being totally solved, and the package managers are all still very incompatible and shitty. In the end I think Nix and Guix will be completely ignored, everyone will be forced to use Flatpak as some shitty distro independent package manager since Canonical decided to make their solution depend on systemd and the rest will have to be done with Appimage. Oh yes, and the Wayland rollout will be delayed quite a bit because guess what, every DE will be busy re-implementing crap just for Wayland, seperately. And then every X program has to be ported to Wayland to avoid reduced peformance, although I guess some people will settle for a crutch and a limp...
A lot of programs are also simply second class on so-called "GNU", last I checked Firefox doesn't even have hardware accelerated HTML5 video yet. The solution for autists is to download every video they want to watch with a command line program that has to be updated regularly to not break since Youtube is a website for streaming videos and not a video repository. Youtube-dl is one of the nicer CLI programs but you're not going to get someone normal using it. Normal human beings will see Firefox without hardware acceleration, KDE taking over a planet sized space on disk and in main memory with its mostly horrible programs, shitty file picker in GTK programs, LXDE being less usable than Windows 9x's DE, no easy universal binaries, and will return to whatever they were using.
As for Linux, its a decent kernel except that the ad-hoc solution for distributing drivers adopted by various distros (just build kernels with all available drivers in existence) doesn't seem to be sustainable. The solution is to either a: introduce users to the horrible driver installation process on GNU/Linux, in which case this crusade to make people use GNU/Linux on a personal computer is over, or b: start removing drivers that are not commonly used when building the Linux kernel for Ubuntu or whatever, which is just delaying part a for x years, where x is the number of years until every driver is commonly used and nothing can be removed.
▶ No.927397
>>927229 (OP)
A brief
>university of some irrelevant shithole backwater town in trumpistan
>"a hacker-type"
>liberal arts-tier degree
>"that kid" who uses Windows™ XP® doifitin fellow hacker kids xD
>list of dumb nigger software like Telegram™, Facebook™ and OS X™, IoT™
>yay soylent!!!!!!!!!!!
>Twitter™ screenshots of a strong woman talking kalie closs language
>Twitter™ screenshots of some dumb nigger who cant into RTFM and XY problem
>unironically using freebsd while not being it's developer
<oy vey the critique of womynz shut it down
>complaining about not being to instal an operating system in current year
>answering to /g/ menes with faceberg-tier le funny 90's cartoon comic
>dependence on microshit's products installed by B. Gay® Tess upon whole world by bribing local education officials and lobbying is something to blame students who write printable assignments for
>taking ebin /g/ menes seriously in current year
>defending obvious corporate subversion called "Open Soros"®
>le language is changing mmkay, sponsored my Microsoft™
>more twatter screeeeeeeeeeeeeeenshots, crying about using your wife's loicence software
>Reddit® communities are good
>/r/unix[s]cuck[/s]porn/ is full of archbabies unironically using Windows™
>how many levels of community management are you on
>like meritocracy or keeping dumb pajeets out or something
>your like a little baby watch this C o C C C C
>95% of people are nigger cattle, more news at 11
>more corporate cock sucking
▶ No.927404>>927410
>>927393
>introduce users to the horrible driver installation process on GNU/Linux
How would this be painful? Their package manager can just download the kernel module and then modprobe it. Most of the time you wouldn't even need to restart your computer to use it.
▶ No.927410>>927435 >>927448
>>927404
>Their package manager can just download the kernel module
Oops, now you need an internet connection, or the kernel modules locally available somehow, on a CD/USB drive/whatever. There goes another touted feature, that was short lived.
>Package manager
I doubt the quality of Canonical/Red Hat shitware, it'll probably fail eventually and then someone is going to have to use modprobe directly.
▶ No.927433>>927557 >>927702 >>928644
>>927248
GANG
>>927364
I think you just have a mental block where you worry over aesthetics. Stallman is radical in the same way that the Unabomber is radical. Absolute refusal in proprietary software and absolute refusal in technological advancement and it's effects on society with no concessions. Tbh I do think Stallman should make a vanguard and set out to murder the CEO's of google, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, etc. as a logical end to his devotion.
>>927328
>Most people here tolerate proprietary software to some extent: we play non-Free games, have non-Free divers, run non-Free JavaScript; just a little bit of proprietary software won't hurt, right? So we are not radicals.
Well, the new arrivals from /g/ and /pol/ in the last two years, yes. Probably one of the reasons why I left this place.
> just a little bit of proprietary software won't hurt, right?
No, it does.
▶ No.927435>>927462 >>928685
>>927410
>Oops, now you need an internet connection
how the fuck would you have installed the OS in the first place then? How would you have gotten the iso image for the flash drive?
▶ No.927443>>928685
>>927393
>different operating systems that usually share some important programs (although not always), such as systemd or GCC
and the coreutils, and the other shell utilities, and pretty much all the DEs and WMs, and more stuff than I could bother to mention.
>last I checked Firefox doesn't even have hardware accelerated HTML5 video yet
It doesn't? I didn't notice because i'm not autistic enough to care.
>Oh yes, and the Wayland rollout will be delayed quite a bit because guess what, every DE will be busy re-implementing crap just for Wayland, seperately. And then every X program has to be ported to Wayland to avoid reduced peformance, although I guess some people will settle for a crutch and a limp...
Are you in favor of sticking with X11, despite its flaws that prompted the creation of Wayland, or is this more like voicing frustration with the development speed of Wayland? No wrong answer here. Just curious.
>Linux kernel issues
This wouldn't be a problem if it was a microkernel. Sadly Linus didn't keep that design choice from MINIX.
▶ No.927448>>927460 >>928685
>>927410
>now you need an internet connection
You can also download it from a local storage medium. If you don't want to bundle it, then don't be mad when they aren't bundled.
>it'll
We are talking about pass tense, not future tense.
▶ No.927460
▶ No.927462>>927467 >>927714
>>927435
An official distribution DVD or just being in some place without (reliable) internet connection.
To be honest, the "Linux ecosystem" is far less intuitive and is more freedom-restricting for fresh-off windows user, installing software from external disks, running portable versions of software from flash drives, programs that keep their shit in their own directory, running different versions of same software, and not the latest bloated one available in the repository the arch way, duh!, 9-year LTS cycle, never having dependency hell was convenient. The transit was especially hard for me, five years ago when I didn't know that if you download the default debian image, it won't have proprietary firmwares, and therefore - wifi drivers just because of some arbitrary definition of "freedom" that still doesn't complies with Stallman's view of freedom, and in order to download the "cursed" non-free image you have to lurk through their website hyperlinks instead of finding it next to "free" download links. I didn't know that gentoo is a hobbyist distro for server maniacs who like compiling their shit for 2% performance benefits are only worth on highly resource-strained embedded system, so I had to leave my poor laptop compiling over night to find out sound doesn't work because I forgot to tick the sound card in menuconfig and there was no bundled script that would simply identify the hardware and compile just the right shit for me.
▶ No.927467
>>927462
these are valid complaints and could all be easily addressed if the community put their boots to work
▶ No.927514>>952683
>>927328
> we play non-Free games, have non-Free divers, run non-Free JavaScript; just a little bit of proprietary software won't hurt, right? So we are not radicals.
Speak for yourself you pathetic fucking mong, I'm running trisquel on a libreboot nigga. I bet you rock that uefi windows 10 shit, with those HOMO rainbow lights.
Hey buddy, I think you've got the wrong door, the /g/ club's four chans down.
▶ No.927529>>930272
>>927229 (OP)
holy shit, are they just trolling or are they actually braindead?
▶ No.927539
>>927393
I'm not reading that.
▶ No.927557>>927577
>>927433
>absolute refusal in technological advancement
what?
▶ No.927577>>927584
▶ No.927582
We need ESR to fuck this bitch up
▶ No.927584
>>927577
I thought you're talking about RMS.
▶ No.927589>>927594 >>927599
Why not just make a CoC that is anti-left?
https://github.com/pmjones/conquest did an okay example, except the >Fascism part.
▶ No.927594>>927620
>>927589
>except the >Fascism part
why?
▶ No.927599>>927623
>>927589
2 edgy 4 me tbhfamalama
▶ No.927620>>927705 >>928226 >>928234
>>927594
Because pic related. Also lurk moar on >>>/pol/
▶ No.927623>>927625 >>927640
>>927599
>Edgy
8chan is /pol/ - The imageboard. So enjoy your stay
▶ No.927625>>927628
>>927623
It wasn't like this before.
▶ No.927628>>927629
>>927625
It was like this... since 2014. Four years since GG.
Now the roach ImKampfy is dead, all of /pol/ is going full force.
Be ready, /tech/. They will ask you for an engima machine.
▶ No.927629>>927630
>>927628
No. Maybe /v/ was like that, but fuck off.
Also it's hilarious how you still want to hold on to a cracked cipher for so long.
▶ No.927630>>927632
>>927629
I meant that they will want /tech/ to custom bake software for their usage. "Enigma" is mere poetry.
On a serious note it took one and a half years (ending in late 2009) to crack an M4 cipher.
▶ No.927632>>927637
>>927630
Oh, well then they're not getting it, and all the /pol/acks autisticly screeching on /tech/ are retarded and all they could think of are jews. So even if they want to make a new encryption algorithm they could not do it in any way shape or form.
▶ No.927637>>927668
>>927632
You are really underestimating their autism... even in /hwndu/ and /redstick/.
▶ No.927640>>927648
>>927623
Everything about that CoC is full of edge, not just the fascism part. You're needlessly worrying about one of (((their))) concepts, you're basing your personal choices on that. You're giving way too much fucks. You think you're free(ing yourself), but in fact they already poisoned your mind.
▶ No.927648>>927652
>>927640
Are you saying the CoC is a Jewish Trick? Because "Classical Liberal" sounds odd (a bad compromise at that).
So how do you write an "SJW STFU" rule?
▶ No.927652>>927653 >>927660
>>927648
This particular one? Probably not. It's not the person behind the text that counts, it's what this will achieve. By using this CoC you're giving yourself an edgelord branding, and a very political one at that. That kid, you know? This is not going to help anyone, it will just make you waste your time on a pointless CoC and a project that's slightly less attractive to most contributors that a project that doesn't have a CoC at all.
>So how do you write an "SJW STFU" rule?
You don't need a CoC. You accept good contributions from anyone and kick the subversives out.
▶ No.927653
>>927652
s/that a project/than a project/
▶ No.927660>>927708
>>927652
So Gestapo tactic instead of Nuremberg? Got it.
I know this is how Linus Torvalds roll. Aryans know
▶ No.927668
>>927637
By autism in this context meaning retardation then yes I am underestimating them.
▶ No.927682
THE OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITEEEEEEEEEE
▶ No.927702>>927797
>>927433
>I think you just have a mental block where you worry over aesthetics
The constraint of peoples freedoms is aesthetics ?
>Absolute refusal in proprietary software and absolute refusal in technological advancement and it's effects on society with no concessions.
? RMS does not want no technological advancement like the unabomber.
Unabomber:
>Technological advancement is bad for people because they don't mentally evolve with it so I'll forces them to do so by killing a bunch of people.
RMS:
>Proprietary software is giving away your control of an object that you bought and that object can control you so I will myself reject any form of proprietary software for my own good and will create the foundations of an OS myself and then promote it so that people can stop being restrained by proprietary software.
Don't you see the difference ?
One is reasonable the other isn't.
▶ No.927705
>>927620
kek these images are as fallacious as what they are trying to counter.
▶ No.927708
>>927660
> this is how Linus Torvalds roll.
Not even close, in 99% of all these case people throw themselves away, Torvalds just refuses code or responded to an email showing the bullshit of the said poster.
▶ No.927714>>927962 >>928685
>>927462
>non-free drivers
Trust me, you really don't want to deal with that. They're almost always extremely bad software that will screw up your system. Even the epitome of non-free drivers, the nvidia one, would constantly corrupt the graphics and crash my X. All my problems just went away once I installed nouveau. Nvidia replaces all the perfectly good and stable kernel graphics infrastructure with its own unstable hand-rolled crap, bypassing man-years of progress in this area. All for the sake of some hardware accelerstion.
Free software isn't used because of muh freedoms, its because its straight up better. Free drivers literally live in the kernel mainline, are maintained by kernel developers and are constantly adapting to the kernel's improvements and changes. The kernel is far more important than these special snowflake companies and it will outlive them all. The development gets faster and faster every year, with tens of patches coming in every single hour and increasing each year. The question then becomes: for how long can nvidia keep up? These people had better open source their shit and merge it into the kernel -- or be left behind. The hardware companies that do this will enjoy exceptional support, while the ones that don't are pretty much toys.
▶ No.927734>>928226
>>927229 (OP)
>(in)famy/name-cult (e.g. ESR)
Nerds are just communists. They literally want ESR jailed because he said some mean (and retarded) shit on the internet. He's a nobody. They want him jailed simply because he's popular and rude. They usually wont explicity say they want him jailed, but that's obviously what they want from how they talk about the subject. They use terms like "toxic" to try and subtly push forward their agenda, much like how the word "kulak" was introduced in the Soviet Union. In fact it's the exact same thing, just on a lesser scale. It's just an arbitrary class that they can use emotional rhetoric to move people into. The next step is to treat different classes differently, legally.
▶ No.927797>>928636
>>927702
Did you misunderstand me ?
<Stallman
<Absolute refusal in proprietary software
<Unabomber
<absolute refusal in technological advancement and it's effects on society with no concessions
The respective subjects go to its respective statements in the preceding sentence.
>reasonable
That's irrevelent, you are talking about whether they are radical or not and I responded to you by stating that they are both radical in thier own right. You're changing the subject. Are you implying that in order for one to be radical they need not be reasonable. If so then you're wrong.
▶ No.927900>>927962
>>927229 (OP)
>NOT ALL IS TERRIBLE
>Good communities exist.
<proceeds to list two subleddits as an example
kill me please
▶ No.927950>>927951 >>927964 >>928070 >>928108 >>928123 >>928138 >>928226 >>928234 >>957905 >>967115
You know what's great? I actually agree with this guy. I'm going to only contribute to projects that have a CoC just to trigger you nazi fucks. Literally all the CoC is saying is "treat your fellow human beings like human beings". That's it. Yet you racist edgelords find some issue with this because "muh code speaks for itself". Can you say socially stunted?
▶ No.927951
▶ No.927962>>928137
>>927900
>doesn't even list libreboot subreddit
he's an obvious corporate plant
>>927714
Proprietary wifi drivers are free kernel-space firmware loader and a proprietary blob that gets executed on wireless card circuitry, not main memory or CPU, in fact it is no more harmful than writing Windows ISO with dd. The fact that firmware can be updated and is stored on your hard disk already makes Debian devs and Stallman upset. There are no libre ac or wigig cards yet however. I do agree on nvidia part, nouveau is really good for pre-2014 cards.
▶ No.927964
>>927950
I hope your code is the only functional part of whatever projects you find yourself involved with, so that you learn what the anti-conduct people are frustrated with.
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▶ No.928108>>928124 >>928226
>>927950
>Literally all the CoC is saying is "treat your fellow human beings like human beings". That's it.
Oh, I didn't know that I ought to treat my fellow human beings as human beings. Good thing they explicitly state that, I had no idea that you have to do that. I guess I won't be able to put degenerates in gas chambers anymore and I just upgraded to Zyklon C, which is 88% more efficient than previous version.
>you nazi fucks
Stop violating your CoC. You have to respect my personal views.
>Be welcoming. We strive to be a community that welcomes and supports people of all backgrounds and identities. This includes, but is not limited to members of any race, ethnicity, culture, national origin, color, immigration status, social and economic class, educational level, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity and expression, age, size, family status, political belief, religion, and mental and physical ability.
You see it says political belief. You are not respecting my political views by calling me a "nazi fuck". You clearly didn't even read your CoC and are violating it. I will hereby have report you to the project maintainer.
▶ No.928123>>939584
>>927950
Human beings have two genders, I think you'll have a hard time treating some of the freaks in open soares projects that way. It is also not as simple as your naive interpretation implies, did you forget some of the classic lines in popular CoCs?
>Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort.
We managed just fine before CoCs arrived on the scene. You see, if a good contribution came by, it was judged on its merits. It didn't matter if the commit came from a woman or a GRIDS-ridden faggot with a butt plug up his ass. No one asked, no one cared.
▶ No.928124>>928226
>>928108
>You are not respecting my political views by calling me a "nazi fuck"
Yeah, it's National Socialist, not nazi. These people have to respect our terms!
▶ No.928137
>>927962
Once the firmware is loaded onto the hardware, it isn't really touching the kernel anymore. There may be security/trust issues related to that unknown code and I don't think the people who worry about that are wrong. However, in this case the stability of the kernel itself won't be compromised by a bunch of crappy proprietary drivers running alongside it.
Nouveau works well for older cards because the newer ones only execute signed code and that makes it impossible for nouveau to work. Nvidia claims this security measure exists to prevent people from "unlocking" access to defective cores, which are disabled after they fail testing, and selling a low level card as if it was a high level one.
▶ No.928138
>>927950
Mind your language, and try to be more understanding of your fellow human beings who may have social difficulties. Remember, we will refuse your participation if you continue to behave indecently towards other people.
▶ No.928226>>928234
>>927734
See >>927620
>>927950
You finished having cummies? >>>/cuckchan/
>>928108
>>928124
Heil Five kamaraden.
▶ No.928234>>928322
>>927950
fuck off nigger
>>928226
>>>927734
>See >>927620
lol no fascism has the same problem i was talking about
>>927328
The PDF seems to claim RMS is radical and is therefore a bad mentor AKA "bad guy". I'm talking about the fact that people think RMS is unacceptable fringe behaviour that should be somehow outlawed once they spend another decade thinking and figuring out a way to make something a law against something he does. RMS is not extreme. The general population is just retarded. If everyone around you puts dicks in their ass and mouths, you do not become extreme for not sucking dick, you are still normal. Radical as a term of strong adherence to a belief is not relevant here.
▶ No.928322
>>928234
So are you AnCap, MAGA or III%?
▶ No.928339>>928684
>>927328
>I am a radical in my belief that running over people with your car is unacceptable.
And I'm gonna be the moderate who points out that if the people in question are chasing your car with clubs, stones and other weapons trying to surround and kill you and are blocking every escape route then you are fully justified to run over them to escape. Case in point: Charlottesville
▶ No.928636>>928684 >>928687
>>927797
We just don't have the same definition of what is a radical.
But I think your definition is too broad to be correct. I mean by your interpretation anyone who refuses X for the rest of their life is a radical, like for example stopping ingesting coffee or sugar for ever. My interpretation of radical is when the choice done by someone are considered by the person as absolute to the point of forcing people into it and does who do not needs to die, this is what I consider as radical.
▶ No.928644>>928684
>>927433
>RMS's murder squad.
▶ No.928684>>939585
>>928636
Fair enough.
>>928339
Wow, that's a case of a negation of a point.
>>928644
I like you anon.
▶ No.928685>>928712
>>927443
>It doesn't? I didn't notice because i'm not autistic enough to care.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=563206
You could open up a task manager to take a look at the CPU usage if you like.
>Are you in favor of sticking with X11, despite its flaws that prompted the creation of Wayland, or is this more like voicing frustration with the development speed of Wayland?
I think the switch to Wayland is going arduously slow and theres probably going to be a painful transitory period that could go on for years. Its more to do with things that need to be rewritten for Wayland, Xfce for example has put off a Wayland version potentially for years. They are busy porting Xfce to GTK 3 so this could be quite a wait for Xfce users.
>and the coreutils, and the other shell utilities, and pretty much all the DEs and WMs, and more stuff than I could bother to mention.
There are replacements for some of the coreutils/shellutils, like Busybox. Ubuntu uses Dash and Debian uses Bash, these kind of small differences can save one of them from another Shellshock exploit.
Problem about DEs is stuff like GTK not playing nice with Qt programs and so on, they're still different projects even if distros attempt to treat them the same.
>>927435
>how the fuck would you have installed the OS in the first place then? How would you have gotten the iso image for the flash drive?
Did you know people installed OSes before internet access was reliable and widespread? They get it via a physical medium like a CD/DVD/Flash drive/200 floppy disks/etc. Maybe they get it mailed to them from the distro maintainers or somewhere else.
Another possibility is that the target machine doesn't have internet access, and the image was downloaded earlier at a different location.
>>927448
>We are talking about past tense, not future tense.
Yes, I've done this before with package managers. A lot can and will go wrong, its not a guaranteed thing. Also, some distros don't have repos for proprietary drivers or they seperate them into a non-free repo.
>>927714
>They're almost always extremely bad software that will screw up your system.
Stuff like optional non-free GPU drivers are used less since they're optional and they're typically a throwaway thing cooked up in the shortest time possible, there is no pressure for those companies to do it right for a fraction of GNU/Linux users.
▶ No.928687
>>928636
>to the point of forcing people into it and does who do not needs to die, this is what I consider as radical.
to the point of forcing people into it and who does not follow this needs to die, this is what I consider as radical.
▶ No.929531
>>928751
>emotional labor
Speaking as a Marxist, use of that term should be grounds for summary liquidation of its user and their entire extended family.
▶ No.930264
>>927393
>everyone will be forced to use Flatpak
I seriously doubt it. More likely, developers will start to migrate to new simpler distributions, or old established favorites like the BSDs for people who aren't GNUtards, and Devuan for those who are.
Time has already shown that a fork of some piece of software can endure as its logical successor (Cinnamon). Linux itself has been effectively forked (2.6 is still alive) and so on.
It'll be OK lil buddy, at least as long as we have the Internet.
▶ No.930272
>>927529
>holy shit, are they just trolling or are they actually braindead?
No they have mental issues and from what I read they seem to think that they are always persecuted when contradicted. These people are dangerous for any community because they indirectly beg for what humankind has developed for quite a while, empathy, not that it's not good for them if they have problems but when the problems are generated by yourself then it only creates more problems in the way that you see problems externally than yourself thus you try to patch something that isn't broken.
▶ No.930276>>939636
>>928751
>ToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxicToxic
How socially autistic can you be ?
▶ No.930359>>939636
>>928751
This was funny and sad at the same time. Thanks to this blog post I find myself wondering if the world I live in is the real one and not Purgatory.
▶ No.939584
>>928123
>Human beings have two genders
Programming-capable human beings have only one though.
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▶ No.939636
>>930276
>>930359
what's the deal with these psychos putting in these extreme strict code of conduct rules everywhere and then never actually following them?
▶ No.940059>>952623
>>927331
Except sometimes it's required. I HAD to install the nvidia proprietary drivers because my GPU wouldn't work with nouveau. I am sure there are similar stories with AMD GPUs and other assorted hardware. Not to say the guy wasn't assblasted, just to say sometimes you can't help being cucked because that's how these companies like it to be.
▶ No.940081>>940094
When shite like this started appearing in FOSS (around 2014 maybe?) I thought it was just a trend, but now I'm worried it might never go away.
Hasn't everybody realized by now that these people are not being genuine? That they're just trying to impose corporate culture on free software? That they're just developing their "personal brand" at the expense of people who actually make all the software? Why do we even listen to them?
▶ No.940094
>>940081
I don't listen to them. I used to have github account, but closed it after I found out what goes on there. I also stopped using google services (except to grab something with youtube-dl sometimes). And I never bothered with the social media stuff like facebook and twitter, so basically everything I hear from them is second-hand, like when someone posts a screencap here.
Actually I outright block some of those domains in my local DNS. On this site, there are sometimes headlines about censorship or "X got deplatformed". Well, I basically did the same thing to their asses. I don't recognize any of those "platforms" or the self-appointed authority of the people who run them.
Even some of the "big" sites that I once visited (flickr, for example) have greatly changed and now require botnet javascript browser, so I don't even bother with those anymore. I don't really have any feelings about this, other than to accept that the mainstream web has become totally subverted at a fundamental level, so it's easier for me to simply shrug and move on. The way I see it, if other people want to jump through their hoops and put up with their bullshit, well that's their own problem.
▶ No.952501>>952503
Related, what do you all think of https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ ?
▶ No.952503>>952504 >>952518
>>952501
>So, okay. Alyssa wants to talk to her friends, and her friends want to talk to her! Luckily these "inbox" and "outbox" things can help us out
This is a real line from an actual W3C specification?
> Hey nice
> a bunch of cat videos posted by friends
▶ No.952504>>952524
>>952503
> This document is dedicated to all citizens of planet Earth. You deserve freedom of communication; we hope we have contributed in some part, however small, towards that goal and right.
▶ No.952518
>>952503
If /tech/ wrote the same spec:
>Alright faggots. Anon wants to shitpost on /tech/, and some other faggots want to shitpost with him! Luckily these "inbox" and "outbox" things can help us out
>Sugoi desu ne, so just a recap:
>a bunch of smug lolis posted by anons
>send messages to anon (botnet!)
>outside world (NSA) can read messages from anon
▶ No.952521>>952523
He whines about people who aren't cucks then goes on to admit it's a self-perpetuating behavior because it get results unlike his feminist dystopia where everyone is forced to act "nice" in public (and backstab each other in the dark).
▶ No.952523>>952524 >>952538 >>952689 >>957248
>>952521
"Fucking pissed at white dudes"
>is one
maybe he should take his own advice?
▶ No.952524
>>952523
is he talking about himself? re >>952504
▶ No.952538
>>952523
>I want it to be a movement for everyone
>except people who make jokes I don't like
▶ No.952623
>>940059
AMD actually supports the FOSS drivers for their hardware, so no. It usually works much better than the blob, which is these days solely for pro workstations that have to run seriously hairy proprietary software that can't be arsed to use OpenGL properly.
▶ No.952683
>>927514
Trisquel has systemdicks.
▶ No.952689>>952887
>>952523
A lot of his sentences seems to come from personal needs but he doesn't directly express them. He seems tormented.
▶ No.952690
>>927275
The slides are literally that and misconstruing of statistics
▶ No.952694
>>927229 (OP)
Wow. What a faggot.
▶ No.952887>>953018
>>952689
You could be right, what do you think?
▶ No.953018
>>952887
>what do you think?
I can only speculate anon but I suppose that he doesn't want to loose or change what he see's as a family (the community), he fears that he can loose it in many forms and he's afraid of his lack of power of convincing people to stay.
▶ No.953056>>953084
I hope you guys like Guile, because Chris Webber is heavily involved in it.
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▶ No.953084
>>953056
the guy who actually makes guile is 1000x worse
▶ No.957109
>>927245
I guarantee you that person was
* under the age of 30
* an only child
and can
* do less than 5 pull-ups
▶ No.957148
>>927229 (OP)
>what happens when people
>people
you misspelled fat fur faggot.
▶ No.957248
>>952523
oy vey what madness can ensue when one of these niggers gets a moderator position on the internet
▶ No.957905
>>927950
> Literally all the CoC is saying is "treat your fellow human beings like human beings". That's it.
In which case it's not actually needed.
▶ No.967038
Somebody please leak the private GNU mailing list discussion about installing a code of conduct
▶ No.967063
>>927229 (OP)
If this guy is so sensitive maybe he should stop going to forums/chans/reddit.
▶ No.967115
>>927950
The Coc are meant to manage and mold the atmosphere of the community into a safe space where personalities are all one dimensional. Have you ever interacted with people on a regular basis where you're forced to just socialize on a surface level? It's mind numbingly boring. Racism and all that other extreme shit is obviously not going to be tolerated by most community projects in general but when you make it mandatory to tip toe around every issue regardless of context for fear of someone having their fee fees hurt your community turns into an unproductive caricature.
▶ No.967124
>>927229 (OP)
It's funny how a lot of the slides are just trying to rationalize and excuse his own desire to be ignorant. He's critiquing language as if the actual tangible subject is the language rather than the software and code itself. He objects to people specifying the differences between things as if that's somehow bad, like yeah the gnu vs linux shitpost is there to be funny but determining the difference between the two is actually important, why wouldn't you want to understand the distinctions betweent he two and learn more about the subject?
A lot of it is
>I don't like how it is so we should change it to be more friendly and dilute everything until the language is meaningless and everyone's ways of articulating things match up without their knowledge also doing so.
>Language evolvessss maaaaaaaan, cyberpunk and windows xp themes maaaan, here's my horrendous wallpapers dude I'm a cyber punk hipster duddeeee, listen to my opinion!!!!!!