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General discussion about PowerPC computers, mainly Macs
General info:
-Cheap as fuck
-PowerBook G4's and iBook G4's have their CPU'S SOLDERED. MOBO's are cheap though
-It's not x86 (which is a good thing)
-Great keyboards. Apple used to produce some A-grade keyboards (on par with classic thinkpad keyboards)
-powermac g5's are absolute powerhouses. beats the shit out of core 2 quads. ram upgradeable to 16gb. less noisy than modern computers ;)
-If you get one I highly suggest getting a Mac one. Apple, despite being shit these days, produces a shitton of parts for all their products. If something goes wrong, you can fix it with little cost
-Again, CHEAP!
-iBook G4 slightly less powerful PowerBook. RAM upgradeable to 1.5gb. A bit more common, and a bit less money. I'd go with a PowerBook
-PowerBook G4's ram can be upgraded to 2gb
OS choices:
-OpenBSD
-NetBSD*
-FreeBSD, despite being cuck'd, probably supports PPC the best of any OS
-Gentoo*
-Vine Linux (Japanese distro)
-Debian Netinst/Ubuntu Server*
*netbsd is less secure than most bsd's. although it probably will support powerpc throughout its entire life because that's the projects main goal, support as many architectures as it can
*gentoo has you compile everything from source. on an old powerpc this can be extremely long and time consuming, it will definetely benifet from the speed boosts after the compiles though
*debian/ubuntu use systemd which might slow it down, ubuntu has snaps enabled which might slow it down. will most likely drop support soon
USE A WINDOW MANAGER. Every desktop environment uses 300+ mb of memory, which'll definetely impact anything less than 2gb of memory. I recommend a tiling window manager
RESOURCES
https://everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/index-powermac-g5.html
https://everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g4/index-powerbook-g4.html
https://everymac.com/systems/apple/ibook/index-ibook.html
▶ No.922405
forgot to mention tons of ports
▶ No.922422
those powerbook cases were made of some really low quality plastic.
▶ No.922432>>922491 >>922494 >>924198 >>936999
Anyone running gentoo on a g5 tower? How many days of compiling am I looking at? I have a g5 but for some reason openbsd's magic boot block thing won't boot it, so I guess I wil try gentoo next.
▶ No.922491>>922495
>>922432
According to Phoronix, it looks like you're looking at an hour for the kernel itself, so you might want to set a day aside.
▶ No.922494
>>922432
Put a day aside. A full install of Gentoo on my X230 took 16 hours straight
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▶ No.922497
>>922495
meant to respond to OP
▶ No.922498>>922769 >>922770
>>922495
Is this what the final product is supposed to look like? Why can't we have something more industrial?
▶ No.922502
>>922495
It's nice to see freetards finally putting their money where their mouth is. First the Talos 2 is successfully shipping, and now those open laptops are getting funded. Might actually pick up a Power Mac or a Talos when I've got the cash to spare.
▶ No.922515>>922525
How usable would a (quad-core) PowerMac G5 be if I were to max out the RAM, and add a better GPU?
▶ No.922525>>922527 >>955409
>>922515
As a space heater or computer? About as usable as a Core2Quad. Unless you really have an itch to scratch, I wouldn't get any of the old PPC/POWER stuff. Save up for a Talos II lite.
▶ No.922527>>922531 >>922538
>>922525
considering that you can edit 720p videos and watch a 480p twitch stram on a core 2 duo I'd say that's more than enough
▶ No.922531>>922564
>>922527
Yeah, my main computer is a T60 ThinkPad. I just was hoping to get something (without the ME) that could play 1080p video.
▶ No.922538>>928093
>>922527
A Core2Duo wont slurp up 300watts per hour. I'm not trying to keep you from purchasing a Quad G5, but you need to be fully aware of what you're getting into.
▶ No.922557>>922563
I'm really hype for the Talos II lite. Is there documentation how PPC boots up?
▶ No.922563
>>922557
PowerPC? It used open firmware. The POWER9 arch that's in Talos II Lite uses a Secure Boot process.
https://www.setphaserstostun.org/power9/POWER9_um_OpenPOWER_v20GA_09APR2018_pub.pdf chapter 24
▶ No.922564>>922565 >>922572
>>922531
my core2duo p8xxx can playback 1080p animu flawlessly and that's with an arch linux with intel and kernel configuration.
haven't tried the ck kernel but that should remove the frames lag when moving files and watching vids at the same time
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>>922564
that's also with a dual channel 4GiB memory. 2GiB or 1GiB+1GiB lags as fuck
▶ No.922569>>922692 >>922774
OP here. I can't find any info on if the PowerBook/iBook series had an open souce BIOS. Anyone got any info for me?
▶ No.922572
>>922564
The T60 has a Merom (first generation) C2D - it does not have the ME, which is why I use it.
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▶ No.922769
>>922498
Elastic demand probably.
Jacking up the price will easily turn a lot of users off of such a niche product+ they need to make sure they can produce more and are able to support themselves for a version 2.
▶ No.922770
>>922498
What's wrong with the pic?
It's as no bullshit rectangle with rounded edges.
▶ No.922774
>>922569
>>922692
That's because they don't. It looks like coreboot dropped PowerPC years ago, and a quick search didnt find anyone using u-boot on them.
▶ No.922778>>922783 >>955405
>>922403 (OP)
If you got a Radeon why not run the best amiga-like os out there?
http://www.morphos-team.net/downloads
▶ No.922783>>923140
>>922778
>Computer turned on: Yes
This screenshot was taken with a camera
What the fuck is up
▶ No.923134>>923175
>>922756
why are you using that bloated shit on such a tiny little guy? install openbsd or void
▶ No.923140>>923142
>>922783
not my desktop, probably taken at a convention
▶ No.923142>>923149
>>923140
> official 3.1 ROM
Pretty gay tbh. Over 20 years since C= went belly-up, and these chucklefucks do jack all except sell kickstart roms. None of them even helped to improve emulation or FPGA clones, and the custom chips are still not fully reverse-engineered. Dumb Amiga users with too much money like to spend money on "Amiga products" though, like it even means anything. Sad.
▶ No.923149
>>923142
tis true - it's a fine line between nostalgia and madness
▶ No.923175>>923247 >>923297 >>923340
>>923134
That's a wii, it can't run a BSD. Only linux. Wii-linux-ngx provides you with a working kernel that accesses the init on a different SD partition, so It can basically run any distro with support for the outdated kernel. The guy who made it has a prebuilt debian image.
Yeah I know, just running top eats 30MBs of RAM. No idea how the debian guys managed to do that.
I might get a gentoo stage3 in there later, I just need to set up qemu so I can emulate powerpc and add wpa_supplicant to the stage3 because otherwise I won't have an internet connection on the wii and accessing it will be annoying.
Also need to get my head around compressing the portage tree because that shit is huge at 600MB and I'm running a 1536MB big partition. It's all text so it compresses easily and there are some guides on the gentoo forums but they're not very good.
▶ No.923196>>923219
How's MorphOS or the usual Amiga-likes run these days? I'd consider one for fucking around with it.
▶ No.923218>>925520 >>927627
oh, i was gonna get rid of my g5 since it's only single core @ 1.6, but is there anything fun i can do with it? how fast are PCI X network cards?
▶ No.923219>>927609
>>923196
I run MorphOS on a 1.33GHz PB and it's fine for what it is. Easily the bescht "Amiga" out there but #1 license is rather expensive #2 useless for current year shit
▶ No.923236
It takes almost a week to `emerge -e @world` on my screenless powerbook g4. It's great!
▶ No.923247>>923249 >>923252
>>923175
>compress portage tree
Put /usr/portage/ into its own ZFS dataset then do `zfs set compression=gzip poolname/datasetname` mang!
▶ No.923249>>923286
>>923247
>zfs
>on the Wii
Art thou shitting me?
▶ No.923252>>923286
>>923247
Don't have ZFS support.
it would be perfect if it was possible to mount compressed disk images, I'm sure people other than a ricer with a wii would want that.
squashfs would be 10/10 if it had write support.
▶ No.923286>>923347
>>923249
No. ZFS requirements are greatly overstated IMO. Worked great for a couple years on a single HDD 32-bit P4 HT Prescott CPU in a Dell, with a gig of RAM (zfs.zfs_arc_max set to 64 megs on boot line).
>>923252
You have to unmask it and compile it in senpai!
▶ No.923297
>>923175
Hey,
yeah I might actually pick up a wii very soon since I wanted to udpate and debloat the kernel for it.
So I might succeed but I'm not sure, I'll just link my github here if I did.
▶ No.923340>>923374
>>923175
Does it have any hardware acceleration for OpenGL?
▶ No.923347
>>923286
>Worked great for a couple years on a single HDD 32-bit P4 HT Prescott CPU in a Dell, with a gig of RAM
Anon, look at the screenshot on >>922756
>RAM: 13MB / 73MB
▶ No.923374>>923384
>>923340
No acceleration, just framebuffer support.
▶ No.923384>>923388
>>923374
Theoretically, would it be possible for someone with enough determination to write an OpenGL driver for its GPU?
▶ No.923388>>923425
>>923384
I don't know. It has an ATI gpu, and there doesn't seem to be much more info around. Wikipedia says it's based on the gamecube GPU, which would make sense because it's at least backwards compatible with the gamecube. If you're lucky it's based on a GPU with a working free software driver that you can repurpose.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_(graphics_chip)
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/1918/gamecube-gpu
http://hitmen.c02.at/files/yagcd/yagcd/
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▶ No.923720>>923765 >>923810
non-ppc user posting here. If you have the right compiling options, is linux or any other unix slow on ppc macs? I have this connotation of still using ppc and it being very slow compared to even using say a 2002 laptop of similar pricing.
▶ No.923765
>>923720
Linux is a kernel and that's not the proper usage of "connotation". If you're talking about Linux in itself, it varies on the model. GNU/Linux can vary tremendously depending the software you install, since a lot of contemporary software takes advantage of modern requirements. I would worry more about battery life and driver support
▶ No.923810
>>923720
Back when Apple used PPC and it was being actively worked on, it was very speedy. It hurts when people rip altivec code out of their projects due to having nobody being able to maintain it. It hurts having KMS fucking up videocard drivers. It has probably been a decade since PowerMacs had working and stable OpenGL. This is why I suggest people get a Talos II if they're going to go this route. On average, modern Linux on a Raspberry Pi 3 will be faster than any single core Apple PPC machine.
▶ No.924198
>>922432
Idk, installing Ghantoo to my quad right now
▶ No.924203>>924214
>tfw Gentoo doesn't have ppc64le support
Can't buy the Talos like that.
▶ No.924214>>924221
>>924203
What?
Gentoo is a source distribution. Cross compile a stage 3 targeted at ppc64le.
▶ No.924221
>>924214
That's not what I mean (and that's a pain). If you get a problem with a package, you're left to your own devices.
▶ No.924273>>924281
This is from a Gentoo AMA
mattst88
>I started working on ppc/ppc64 really just to keep it alive. Since JoseJX retired a few years ago, there really hasn't been anyone particularly interested in investing time in improving the port. Obvious things like supporting GRUB and making sure new stages are available would go a long way.
>We even have access to fast POWER8 systems (both big and little endian), so it seems like the problem is mostly a lack of developer interest. Or, restated, the problem is a lack of ppc users who want to become developers. :)
▶ No.924281
>>924273
Well, that's a vicious circle. Maybe when sub 1500$ POWER machines start appearing.
▶ No.925520
>>923218
>G5
You can probably run any linux distro with 64 bit PPC support. But I guess you probably have a better computer that can do desktop work better without consuming 500w+ of power.
One way or another it's still a working computer, so you should hoard it.
I think the higher end powerpc macs have a nice premium because there is no good emulator for them, so sell it maybe.
>how fast are PCI X network cards?
I don't know but I doubt their bus will be a bottleneck.
▶ No.927609
>>923219
How's AmigaOS 4.1 in comparison?
▶ No.927627
>>923218
>how fast are PCI X network cards?
I have an old 10Gb/s PCI-X network card (Neterion XFrame 2) in my basement. Unfortunately it lacks features like TCP offloading and VLAN tagging, so unless you're using your G5 as a plain file server, you won't be going over a Gbit.
▶ No.927726
argh i think i mustve messed up the g5 while switching the timer battery, i hope it is still alive
aren't these things meant to be reliable, with all those solid capacitors and all?
▶ No.928056>>928079
Pretty sure one of the CPUs in my PM G5 died, is there a good source for replacements?
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▶ No.928093>>930057 >>930062
▶ No.928096>>930031 >>930044
I have a 440mhz Powermac g4 with 1GB of ram. What's the best I can do with it? I might just sell it, I need the cash.
▶ No.930031
>>928096
You're better off selling it but that CPU + amount of RAM are good enough for a commandline system.
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▶ No.930057>>930062 >>935961
>>928093
300 watt hours. Thank you captain autismo.
▶ No.930062
>>928093
>>930057
It always triggers me when faggots point this. Like the assholes that chime in with "EXCUSE ME U MEAN FEWER", every single time. Yes anon we have heard it before.
▶ No.930763
>overclocked 1.5 GHz Mini G4
>Dual 1.25 GHz MDD G4
>Quad 2.5 GHz G5
Why don't you have a tower of POWER?
▶ No.931100>>931212 >>931597 >>960966
TALOS II LITE
Board is $1,100
This means entry is now $1,475
▶ No.931212>>931597 >>960966
>>931100
Frankly one socket seems to be quite enough, two sockets is more for engineers and other eggheads.
▶ No.931597>>931606 >>931670 >>931763
>>931100
>>931212
Yeah if they want to push this as a desktop PC release a single socket version. Otherwise it's a workstation/server.
▶ No.931606
>>931597
>this picture again
While I would reccomend against using DDG. There are flaws with this picture, which could make tohers not take it seriously.
>conflating using nginx to using a SSL termination proxy
nginx is just a web server. Just the fact they are using it, does not mean they have it configured as a SSL termination proxy.
>SSL termination proxies are evil
99% of the time when you use a SSL termination proxy (imo pointless now adays) the server you are proxying the request for is on the same network as you. It would be stupid for them to send it to a separate datacenter due to the latency involved.
>what is my user agent
Yes, if you send your useragent to a web server, it can read it. Just because it is serving you a page with your useragent, it doesn't mean that it ever touched the disk.
>what is my IP
Same as above
>where am i
I guess if DDG used a third party service for geoip they could tell when you searched that as the third party service would be getting your ip from a DDG ip. If you are wroried about that, don't search that.
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▶ No.931670>>931752 >>931832 >>932735 >>932997
>>931597
If the Lite is supposed to be a regular desktop PC then they shouldn't make the board look so fucking hideous. At least cover the empty space with something.
▶ No.931752>>931766
>>931670
>He doesn't like beautiful green nature
Gamers not allowed
▶ No.931763
>>931597
Hating SSL termination proxy is 89iq polnigger retardation, like hating on cloudflare for example. DuckDuckGo is a pretty big website in terms of userbase and availability, they use geographically-collocated servers that act as SSl terminals between inner network and outside internet.
▶ No.931766>>931767
>>931752
I'm talking about the space where the extra CPU and memory slots used to be.
▶ No.931767>>931787
>>931766
What did you expect? That they are going to put some laser cut emblem on it? The only thing that's going to accomplish is raise the price.
▶ No.931787>>933613
>>931767
An ATX-sized board for example?
▶ No.931832
>>931670
>they shouldn't make the board look so fucking hideous.
It's a board. It should only go as far as being a board.
If you want bling stick a golden bar up your ass.
▶ No.932735
>>931670
So you're saying it needs more RGB? Maybe a big plastic plinth covering the functional parts of the board with words like WYLD RAZORX or something?
▶ No.932997>>933356 >>933663
>>931670
Why? What do you gain from making it pretty?
You're going to probably put it in a case, why do you want some faggoty art when you can save like $4 instead? This crap is expensive enough.
▶ No.933356
>>932997
>when you can save like $4 instead
>im-fucking-plying
In every single market whenever a vendor puts some bling in their product they jack up the prices severely.
"Want your car in a 50 dollar paintjob? Sure, just pay 2000 dollars!"
▶ No.933613
>>931787
That would entail having to design and produce an entire new board, whereas in this case they just have to tell the machine to not place some components.
Not perfect but I could live with it.
▶ No.933663
>>932997
must be those retards with cases that have windows
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▶ No.935439>>935453
I have a ppc in the mail right now coming to me, an iMac G5 what should I put on it for an os? BSD, Linux, or MorphOS?
▶ No.935453>>935454 >>935455
>>935439
I hope you didn't spend much on it. I wanna say Fedora and OpenSuSE still have ppc64 support. Old Stable (Jessie) was the last Debian version to do ppc64. You will probably have KMS issues no matter which distro you use. It might be better to try a BSD since their software hasn't changed as radically as it has on Linux. The "free" Adobe Creative Suite version 2 will work on PPC Macs if you do decide to try OSX. You could probably find Final Cut Pro and Maya for PPC as well.
▶ No.935454
>>935453
I take it back. Fedora is only POWER 5 through 8. OpenSuSE only supports ppc64le like Debian now. Stick with OSX or BSD.
▶ No.935455>>935495 >>935522 >>935562
>>935453
So which BSD is recommended? I heard something about one of them maybe having Systemd creep. All I want is something that I can set i3 up on for shitposting but not have systemdildo in the background. FreeBSD seems cucked, OpenBSD is where I heard about the systemd creep, and the rest of them are far beyond anything I know how to deal with considering I've only used loonix so far.
▶ No.935458>>935459
>USE A WINDOW MANAGER. Every desktop environment uses 300+ mb of memory, which'll definet
Why can't freetards code for a shit? OS X 10.5 was fully featured tearing free composited desktopenvironment and ran just fine on 512Mb of RAM
▶ No.935459
>>935458
>what is LXQT
>what is LXDE
▶ No.935477>>935483 >>935496 >>936696
Someone just gave me a Powerbook G4 to play with! I've tried installing OpenBSD and Gentoo. First things that I've noticed:
OpenBSD: Screen turns yellow if I switch to a terminal with ctrl+alt+f1 and back. WPA2 Enterprise not supported out of the box.
Gentoo: needs additional firmware to use wifi.
Currently I can't use anything other than this wifi that I have here. I'll try more tomorrow!
▶ No.935483
>>935477
I really recommend you get OS X 10.4 fully patched and applications compatible with it. Both easily found. Makes life fun. You get to use iTunes that doesn't suck and old iPhoto is just incredible.
▶ No.935495>>935508
>>935455
The systemd people are trying to get systemd on BSD. None of the BSDs come with systemd out of the box.
▶ No.935496
>>935477
My 1.5GHz G4 has Broadcom Wifi which does require proprietary firmware to work. You should be able to find on the interwebs.
▶ No.935508>>935549
>>935495
So whats the likelihood they overtake BSD with that crap? And is Vine Linux any good? I tried installing it on a x86_64 processor system a few times and it kept failing during the install. I think they also have a lot of systemd creep.
▶ No.935522
>>935455
Try DragonflyBSD
If systemd can infiltrate BSD then we are all truly fucked.
▶ No.935549
>>935508
>So whats the likelihood they overtake BSD with that crap?
Very slim. I have no idea about Vine, but I will tell you about my recent experience with Gentoo. I had difficulty getting Chromium and Firefox compiled. Even i3 failed to compile and I had to use RatPoison instead. The Gentoo boot disc uses an older version driver for ATA that labels IDE partitions hda instead of sda. You wont have issues compiling the kernel labeled stable for ppc, but trying to get 4.17 up and running was a pain in the ass. I was able to get some very basic 2d acceleration with radeon driver which I had to disable kms and do some agp option in yaboot to get working. It was the difference between h.264 480p baseline video playing in real time verses being a slideshow with no audio. I will probably screw around with it some more to see how FreeBSD runs.
▶ No.935562>>935911
>>935455
LibreBSD for freedom and security. Based on OpenBSD which you should use if you can't live without proprietary software.
FreeBSD if you have a nvidia GPU.
NetBSD if the others don't support your hardware.
▶ No.935671>>935916 >>935939
>PPC thread
Any other Talos II owners here? mine arrived a few days ago. Haven't put it together yet since I am still waiting on the other parts for it to arrive.
I wasn't expecting it but the flash ICs for the boot code and BMC are actually held in sockets so there is absolutely no way your system can be irreversibly backdoored by the NSA should it be intercepted in the mail. The burn in test report also has the hashes of the two firmware.
>>935087
>of all software ever written, the small subset I am interested in has no support for a set of features only found in CPU architectures which until now haven't been available to people outside of specialised enterprise applications
▶ No.935911>>936122
>>935562
So because I have no idea how software on power is like. Am I going to run into more shit running LibreBSD or as a beginner should I just use OpenBSD?
▶ No.935916>>936142
>>935671
>the small subset I am interested in has no support
>Removed stray references to PCC and Altivec
http://libvolk.org/platforms.html
▶ No.935939>>936142
>>935671
Post pics with timestamp fag, you should know the drill.
▶ No.935961>>935971 >>936061
>>930057
Still doesn't make sense. An RPi will eventually use 300Wh. A Watt hour is a static amount of energy. Proportional to a Joule (the factor separating the Watt hour from the Joule is 3600; there are 3600 seconds in an hour and so there are 3600 Joules in one Watt hour).
The term you're looking for is "Watts". One Watt represents the transfer/dissipation/creation/etc of one Joule of energy per second. The unit "Watt" is the way to express power in SI. The dimension "power" is energy/time.
Is this /tech/ or /script kiddies with no real understanding of tech/?
▶ No.935971>>936015
>>935961
Then 300 watts per hour was perfectly legitimate. I can't say 300 watts because that will fluctuate. You can have it one way or the other, but not both. I'm sorry your mother raised such an autistic faggot.
▶ No.936015>>936021
>>935971
300 Watts per hour is, dimensionally, energy per time per time (or energy/time^2). This is only sensible if one wishes to describe the rate of change of energy consumption. An analogy would be this:
velocity:acceleration::watts:watts per hour
You're wrong.
▶ No.936021>>936023 >>936025
>>936015
Now that this thread has been derailed, how would you describe an average measured over the period of a few seconds? It will be completely different than an average over an hour. Watts fluctuates over time so it's fucking retard to just say 300 watts.
▶ No.936023>>936039
>>936021
Fluctuation has nothing to do with the units something is specified or measured in. Do you really believe that a 60W light bulb consumes energy at a rate of 60.000000 Watts? You're out of your element, Donny. Go to wikipedia and brief yourself on dimensional analysis.
▶ No.936025>>936031
>>936021
average electrical power, via root mean square
▶ No.936031
>>936025
RMS is useful for AC. DC circuits such as processors aren't amenable.
▶ No.936039>>936040
>>936023
I'm not the one saying a 60 watt bulb will consistently be 60 watts. You are lol.
▶ No.936040>>936042
>>936039
Educate yourself.
▶ No.936042>>936052
>>936040
You're arguing both sides at this point. I'm going to assume you are simply schizophrenic.
▶ No.936052
>>936042
That you misunderstand basic empirical units does not indicate schizophrenia in your dialectical opponent. Lean the difference between a Joule and a Watt. Then also learn the difference between a Watt and a Watt per hour. Basic stuff, m8.
▶ No.936061>>936076
>>935961
Sometimes I fell like I'm the only one with an oscilloscope and a half.
▶ No.936076>>936139 >>936230
>>936061
(maybe you're not the same anon since this doesn't actually make sense as a reply)
If you don't understand the difference between a Watt and Watts per hour then no amount of hardware will help you. The fact that you're still replying in ignorance leads me to believe that you're either trolling or that you're too helpless to use the internet at your very fingertips to research the reasons why you've been wrong about everything related to power consumption.
Go buy ten more oscopes. Maybe the eleventh will teach you high school level physics. Alternatively: go read the definition of "Watt" and consider where your statements are wrong. Makes little difference to me but the only reason I've bothered to type this out is that, hopefully, another anon learns something. I'd love to see more anons with competence. Every time I come across an anon who knows much less than he pretends to I'm less happy for it. Go read a book or two.
▶ No.936122
>>935911
As a beginner just go for OpenBSD.
▶ No.936126>>936134
>>922403 (OP)
Something more normalfag friendly?
▶ No.936134
>>936126
Linux.
Ubuntu is dropping PowerPC support in 2019 and that was the most normalfag friendly PowerPC distro.
Debian dropped 32 bit PowerPC support in Debian 9, but Debian 8 is on LTS until 2020. It still supports powerpc 64 bit. I'd recommend Devuan but it doesn't have powerpc support at all.
Gentoo is the best powerpc distro but it's not normalfag friendly, and it also can be run fully poetteringware-free and also fully free software.
▶ No.936139
>>936076
God you really are schizophrenic. Stop talking to yourself and get help.
▶ No.936142>>936144
>>935916
>http://libvolk.org/platforms.html
>GPLv3
This is fucking cancer. Who the fuck thinks its a good idea to license a library like this under the GPL? Its like the devs don't actually want people using their code. Do you really think that an engineer writing proprietary userspace code for an enterprise application in is going to use, let alone contribute to, a GPL licensed library?
The LGPL exists for a reason and even Stallman himself has praised some libraries for their use of the BSD license.
>>935939
K
▶ No.936144>>936168
>>936142
What if they don't want people distributing the library as part of a proprietary application? I license my software under GPLv3+. None of the software I've written is intended to be widely adopted as the reference implementation for anything such as the Vorbis decoding library and the zlib compression library for example.
▶ No.936168>>936218
>>936144
>I license my software under GPLv3+.
>None of the software I've written is intended to be widely adopted as the reference implementation
And why not? What have you got to lose by aiming higher? I suspect you not wanting your code to be widely adopted is due to some underlying insecurity, your code can't be criticised if no one uses it.
Also you should consider not using the GPLv3 unless you are writing code which specifically pertains to patents and such, its incompatible with the GPLv2 so all you are doing by using it is further limiting use of your code.
▶ No.936218
>>936168
I believe that it is immoral for anybody to distribute proprietary software. GPLv3+ will ensure all users of the software will receive their rights for the four freedoms of free software. I don't really care that it's incompatible with GPLv2 because GPLv2 allows for a licensing loophole known as Tivoization that effectively overcomes the user's freedom for GPLv2 software.
▶ No.936230
>>936076
I'm not him, I calculate fresnel zones and FSL of imaginary radiolinks for fun, simple energy consumption is nothing.
▶ No.936385>>936600
I have a broken imac g5. The case, bezel and screen are shot but the machine itself still works. Is there a way to hook up a monitor to it?
▶ No.936600
>>936385
Have you ever heard of our lord and savior video outputs?
If all else fails you can still use it as a server.
▶ No.936696>>936710 >>936716 >>937036
>>935477
I decided to go with gentoo because I expect better hardware support. 48 hours uptime and still compiling. I had to build gcc twice because on the first try it didn't build with altivec support. Apparently adding -maltivec to CFLAGS as suggested at https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Safe_CFLAGS wasn't enough, I had to enable the altivec useflag. Building the kernel with genkernel and default options I don't bother disabling unneeded modules on the first try wasn't successful because the Aaptec AHA-1542 driver didn't compile. After disabling it, it compiled fine. I'm confident that I'm going to have a working gentoo installation this evening.
What's next? Openbox or KDE?
▶ No.936710>>936750 >>936841
>>936696
All DEs are shit and by definition bloated. The unix philosophy is very good, and you should always follow it, in this case by avoiding the mess that DEs are. Doubly so when you're on a low end system.
>manually enabling altivec
Just use "-march=native".
If you only enable altivec gcc won't enable every single extension your CPU supports, and it won't tune code to your CPU's characteristics (stuff like cache size and part layout).
Another thing, gcc's configuration options are a mess and I haven't looked for something saying it isn't the case anymore either but in the past -march=native didn't necessarily implicitly also mean -mtune=native for every ISA. I know it does for x86-64, but I have no idea when we're talking PowerPC. So use "-mtune=native -march=native".
>I decided to go with gentoo because I expect better hardware support.
Soon enough gentoo will be the only linux distro supporting 32 bit PowerPC anyway. When Debian 8 and Ubuntu 14.04 go out of LTS gentoo will be all there's left.
▶ No.936716>>936841
>>936696
Openbox is shit. I suggest Icewm (the fork), Fluxbox or cwm if you want a stacking WM.
▶ No.936750
>>936710
Statically compile lxqt and see what happens.
▶ No.936841>>937036
>>936710
>hurr bloat
>unix philosophy
idgaf
>Just use "-march=native".
I read somewhere that -march=native is not supported on ppc. Didn't try that though, but I'll do.
>>936716
Fluxbox is shit for multiple screens. Don't know about Icewm and cwm.
▶ No.936863>>936960
Anyone here used a Gecko microprocessor or a cognate version?
▶ No.936960>>938494
>>936863
Wiifag here, yes.
▶ No.936999
>>922432
I have this question, for a powermac g4... I'm not excited about the compile time, but I imagine it would definitely give some speed boosts
▶ No.937036>>945269
>>936696
>>936841
Genkernel with (mostly) default options didn't give me a booting kernel, but I'll use the one from the livecd from now. Also I learned the hard way that yaboot doesn't support ext4, so I had to add a /boot partition. Fortunately I have a swap partition which I could shrink a bit.
▶ No.937145
Lads, don't be scared by the compile times if you're on old ppc computers like MACs.
Make sure you use a lightweight WM like fvwm or i3, don't bother with a desktop manager. Just stick the startup command of your WM in your xinit file.
You can get a desktop going in less than an hour that way.
▶ No.938234>>938271
Where do you get monitors for the powermacs and imacs if the screens are broken to shit outside of some crappy old apple display?
▶ No.938271>>938592
I was browsing through IBM's Linux on Power blog and I'm pretty shocked that they don't subsidize a PPC single board computer like the one mentioned earlier in this thread to get small time developers interested. The only options are buying ancient obsolete Apple or overpriced novelty Amiga computers and the recently announced Talos Special Developer System that ships with a defective CPU at $1600.
Meanwhile there are cheap ARM SBCs sold everywhere and I see working x86 PCs in the trash every week but if I want to buy a PPC computer that was built in the last 10 years for under a grand I'm shit out of luck. If we're lucky maybe that PPC notebook board will come out by 2020 for under $500.
>>938234
Just go on ifixit and find the panel part number. They weren't using their own special displays back then so a lot of other computers used them, find broken ones on ebay and replace it if you can't find a replacement part for cheap. On some models you can even upgrade the panel to a better one, some macfag forums probably has a list of them.
▶ No.938326>>938352 >>938360 >>938440 >>938441 >>938607
I've got p1mxx 166 mhz laptop with 48mb ram and 2gb disk. Is there some gnulix distro that can run on it ? It can be cmd only, but it has to have the svga lib (which I can't find for any distro modern or old...)
▶ No.938352>>938360 >>938752
>>938326
svga was replaced by fbdev, you can try that or DirectFB.
Just about any distro fits in 48MB ram on a commandline only system, but if you want to make the most out of it you'll probably want to do gentoo, or at at the very minimum use a distro in which the developers compile binaries with -Os or something. Compiling the kernel on an 166mhz system with that much RAM will take ages but you can laze it up and install a binary kernel, then compile the userland yourself. Because a commandline userland is tiny compared to the kernel, that shouldn't take long.
You can even run an interface on 48MBs of RAM because many good WMs fit in that, but then you run into the issue of how every GUI program you open will instantly take many times your RAM.
▶ No.938360>>938517 >>938752
>>938352
>>938326
Oh yeah and if you want a binary distro I recommend Void.
Don't use Debian or even Devuan on a 48MB RAM machine (no package granularity) and don't use Arch on a 48MB RAM machine (Developers enable every single compile option for all packages). Void splits packages whenever possible and things like debug symbols are kept in their own packages. For instance Debian's irssi package comes with perl scripting built in and enabled, but on Void you have to install irssi-perl. Void creates an initramfs tailored to what you need to boot and then whatever else is loaded as a module as usual, Debian and Arch seem to just cram every module someone might need at boot time in their initramfs.
Out of the "base" distros I have only used gentoo, debian, void and arch, so I can only speak for those, maybe things are different in Fedora or whatever.
▶ No.938440>>938752
>>938326
>166 mhz
Then go oldschool with BeOS, OS/2 or Windows95
▶ No.938441>>938494 >>938752
>>938326
>2gb disk
Uh, maybe you can find a download of version III unix?
▶ No.938494
>>938441
>implying
This right here >>936960 is on a 2GB sd card.
I even accidentally made swap too big, it's 256MB, could be less.
▶ No.938517
>>938360
He doesn't have enough HDD space or RAM to comfortably use source based distros. He also shouldn't be making separate boot partitions and therefore doesn't need initramfs. Swap and root are the only two partitions he should be making. Arch only supports amd64 which is somewhat amusing because it would be very beneficial to use on a 2GB drive.
▶ No.938592>>938931
>>938271
Well I have a g5 I got off craigslist but I'm looking for a monitor to hook it up to. I don't have anything with dvi and I don't know the spec differences. So is there a converter I can get?
▶ No.938607>>938752
>>938326
Slackware 8.1 should be a good fit, it's newer (2001?), but runs nicely on 486/Pentium hardware. You might want to up the RAM to 64MB though.
Lemme know if you try it, I've got some updated versions of OpenSSL and Links that will run on it.
▶ No.938752>>938800
>>938607
>>938441
>>938440
>>938360
>>938352
I should have say what I want it for. I'm writing a game which can run on this laptop under windows 98 (it also works on modern windows and linux) in about 30 fps. I just want a tiny linux kernel and a pointer to a framebuffer and a way to read the keyboard and mouse. I want to use linux over dos so I don't have to fuck around with the dos extenders and such (as linux is already 32 bit)
▶ No.938800>>938821
>>938752
>I should have say what I want it for. I'm writing a game which can run on this laptop under windows 98 (it also works on modern windows and linux) in about 30 fps.
>I just want a tiny linux kernel and a pointer to a framebuffer
You should see if Minix has been ported to it, it sounds like all you want is a microkernel.
To be honest though you don't even need a kernel if all you are doing is running a single application, there are guides and C libraries around the internet on how to write directly to frame buffers and read inputs on keyboards and such.
▶ No.938821>>938848
>>938800
sure, I even wrote a demo for bare metal pc where I draw stuff and enter protected mode myself, but the game is writen in c++ with sdl ( ask just gives me a framebuffer, I have my own bliting code) and I'd like to try porting this game to semi bare metal state without writing a lot of additional code. If I just remove the sdl and replace it with svga lib I should get an elf that will just work on some old light linux right ?
▶ No.938848
>>938821
but after reading about fbdev I think I'll try using that.
▶ No.938931
>>938592
tl;dr just buy an adapter that with a DVI on one end and whatever you need on the other. As long as it's not DisplayPort or Thunderbolt on the other end, it should Just Work.
HDMI is just DVI with audio and optional botnet features that don't matter to us. DVI to HDMI adapters are cheap, plentiful and probably what you want. A G5 will also send an analog signal over the DVI port, so a regular DVI to VGA adapter will also work. I think there's also old style TV output hardware on most models if you need S-video or RCA ports for some reason, but I've never tried it myself. That ADC port right next to the DVI port is just DVI plus power and USB. You can buy adapters to turn that into a second DVI port if you really want to.
▶ No.943081>>943212 >>943241 >>943903
For any anons looking to work with one of these, these are the os's I've tried installing over the past five days.
>OpenBSD
Install disc keeps fucking up on the powermacg5 only tried the latest version and it was unable to mount the dvd.
>FreeBSD
Use 11.0 anything before that has temperature problems with the sensor, 11.3 fucks up drivers.
>Vine Linux
Kernel is 8 years old, it lost support in 2012. Use Ubuntu, 14.04 ends in 2019 and 16.04 ends in 2022.
Any form of Linux trying to boot on this thing instantly has fan problems, in that they will turn on and never turn off. They will be blowing at full power the entire time you're running the machine. The DVD drive when you're inevitably shoveling through os's to try and dump in this thing requires you to fuck around before boot and pray that it opens.
▶ No.943241>>943900
>>943081
Unironically this >>943212
If your dedicating yourself to an obscure architecture you might as well go all the way.
▶ No.943900>>943902
>>943241
I tried gentoo but the dvd wouldn't even boot. I managed a FreeBSD install but it wouldn't boot or compile anything, I'm looking into ways of debotnetting Ubuntu 16.04 right now so I can get the more mainline kernel, any tips?
I'm already removing the poetteringware.
▶ No.943902>>943904
>>943900
>I'm already removing the poetteringware.
Your heart is in the right place, but that's a lot harder than it sounds. Try Devuan instead of Ubuntu.
▶ No.943903>>943904 >>943950
What will the future of web browsers on Gentoo/ppc/ppc64 be without Firefox 52 ESR? 60 ESR and all other Gecko browsers that update to the new Gecko are going to require rust, which isn't keyworded on powerpc. The only other browser that supports javascript with ppc/ppc64 keywords is epiphany, but that pulls in half of GNOME and I don't even run gtk3 on this machine. Theoretically, this means that webkit-gtk browsers such as luakit and surf should work, but they are also unkeyworded and I don't want to waste another day compiling on a G5 in the heat of summer if it isn't going to work.
qutebrowser's website says it should work with the updated qtwebkit 5.212. I modified the ebuild to build against 5.212.0_alpha2 and while it did compile, it would segfault trying to open a window. It did ask me if I wanted to use qtwebkit or qtwebengine, but that's as far as it got.
How difficult would it be to port TenFourFox to Linux? I understand that TFF is currently based on the Firefox 45 series with some features backported from newer versions, but I don't know the extent to which it has been modified. It's much faster than standard Firefox on PPC Linux is because the developer actually cares about optimization on MHz-tier machines. I think if it's possible to get TFF to work it would be our best option for a javascript-capable browser.
Failing this, the next option is X11 forwarding from a x86 machine. I did this with OS X and X11 back in 2012 when I had an old PowerBook G4 that I loved and a new i7 MacBook Pro that I hated. It was an annoying hassle even then, but I could do it again if I had to.
>>943081
My June 2004 G5 runs Gentoo better than anything else. Somebody posted a 4.14 kernel config file on the Gentoo PPC forum you can use as a starting point. Make sure the windfarm module is loaded for fan control to work.
Use this ppc64 stage3 instead of the 2-3 year outdated ones recommended on the main Gentoo download page. It will be much less painful when you try to update for the first time.
https://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/ppc/autobuilds/current-stage3-ppc64/
You can hold down the left mouse button during boot to open the CD tray. When these machines were new they'd pop the metal door open every time but now that the CD tray motors are worn out, the cases are warped and the hinges are crusty, they sometimes need help. If yours doesn't always want to open, just slide it down with your finger before you send the eject command. There's also a functional PC-style eject button on the bottom-right corner of the DVD drive that is sometimes useful. Unless you have fat fingers, you should be able to just barely reach it through the slot. If you can't, try pressing it with a pen or a coin or something.
▶ No.943904
>>943902
Devuan lacks a powerpc iso or repo last I checked. I'm half tempted to run an old version of Mint or Debian because their mirrors are still up.
>>943903
Its a problem with yaboot and not wanting to boot. And I would love to have some debug info besides black screen when it does it.
I'm removing FreeBSD right now because its stalling on reading entropy, and it was able to boot into Ubuntu 14.04 fine even though it just blasted the fans and cooling system at full when it was at the bottom end of the range in temperature. So fan control software is my next step, if it can get past reading the pcie slots for boot.
I've got an imac g5 with a broken case and screen I've been trying to find something to do with.
Think I'll try to bleach ubuntu best I can and when I can afford talos set one of those up. Or just switch to using a pine64 or eoma when someone finally sues Allwinner for their GPL violations.
Anyone know any fan control software or where to look for how to do that on linux?
▶ No.943950>>944167 >>944280
>>943903
>tenfourfox forked at firefox 45
Install palemoon, it doesn't require rust, it forked at firefox 27, it supports linux/unix/runs on openbsd with patchset, and it is optimized for speed and before version 28.0.0 for memory. It's perfect for older computers if you are compiling it yourself. If you want palemoon 28 then you need SSE2 instructions in your proccessor, do you have that?
>Anyone know any fan control software or where to look for how to do that on linux?
The package in gentoo is called lm_sensors. The command is called "fancontrol" from the commandline. You need your fans exported as PWM devices under /sys which you can see if they are by using "sensors" from the command line with lm_sensors installed.
▶ No.944167>>944280
>>943950
>SSE
PowerPC CPUs don't have any of that. We use AltiVec instead of SSE, and VSX instead of AVX on newer POWER systems. Palemoon's website reads like SSE2 is only required because it's a flag they choose to pass when they make the Intel binaries as opposed to a hard requirement, but running those binaries on ppc is out of the question anyway.
>emerge palemoon
Portage told me pic related on my G5. I tried it anyway but portage flatly refused and told me to come back with gcc 4.7 or 4.9. That's a three hour code compilation marathon on this machine by itself and palemoon is probably about the same. I'm skeptical, but I'll let you know if it works somewhere between six hours and two days from now.
▶ No.944178>>947362
Had any of you fags read the bible? it forbids homosexuality. It does not mean only mean sodomy. It also means technological homosexuality. Repent and turn yourself towards God. Read Leviticus.
▶ No.944280>>946861
>>943950
>>944167
I can confirm that Pale Moon 27.9.3 works on ppc64. It feels faster and a lot less buggy than Firefox does on this machine. Unlike with Firefox, I can actually save a file to disk without crashing the browser.
▶ No.945269>>945284
>>937036
I finally got a booting kernel! The kernel from the live cd worked, but a recent kernel with the same config didn't work, so I compiled several kernel versions in between to find the version that broke. After about 20 times `make oldconfig`, I've got a config that works on 4.17.3. I didn't check where `make oldconfig` directly from the live cd's kernel to 4.17.3 messed up.
And graphics. I had to boot with `video=ofonly radeon.agpmode=-1` to use the radeon driver. The touchpad worked out of the box. To use the screen brightness buttons and keyboard backlight, I had to install pbbuttonsd.
Next steps are audio, bluetooth, firewire, and burning DVDs.
▶ No.945284
>>945269
Nice job, anon.
Pretty strange with how fragile that kernel is.
▶ No.946861>>947362 >>960791
Finally managed to get Gentoo on a PowerMac G4 last month. Its working well so far except for a few issues. On this machine, graphics acceleration freezes the card after a few seconds. Any old Debian/Ubuntu image wouldn't work. In order to get Gentoo to work, i have to run xorg without hardware acceleration.
Has anyone had any luck fixing hardware acceleration on a PowerMac G4? As far as I know this is because of the AGP card and drivers but I can only finds posts about this from years ago.
>>944280
How did you get Pale Moon to work? What flags did you use? Did you override the compiler? I'm interested in getting a real browser to work on this thing.
▶ No.947142>>947553
>>947129
How much did you pay for all that ECC DDR4 memory? As much as the motherboard?
▶ No.947327>>947369
>>947129
What is this amazing UnkownPOWER9
▶ No.947362>>947542
>>944178
PPC macs predate the gay. Don't be such a goylineal.
>>946861
Couldn't you try to use something like a PCI 6200 or 520? Or would that be impossible due to those lacking mac firmware?
▶ No.947369
>>947327
Look at the hostname
▶ No.947542>>947552
>>947362
I'm trying to avoid spending any more money on this machine since I got it for free. I could switch to a compatible nvidia card if worse comes to worst. From what I understand the problem with the Radeon card is that its either too old for developers to care or the hardware combination is so weird that its not worth caring about. Apparently AGP radeon cards are supposed to just werk on x86.
▶ No.947552>>947634
>>947542
Now that I think about it, it could be that the card is getting too hot. Try repasting it and making sure the fan is functional. I've got a PCI 9250 with a broken fan that'll start artifacting hard after running 3d applications after a certain amount of time.
▶ No.947553
>>947142
$150? I got it on ebay from someone who accidentally bought ECC RAM for a motherboard that didn't support it. I think it was roughly half the going rate when I bought it in anticipation last year.
▶ No.947619
>>947129
Hardware config? Are you using a sound card? any problems getting it this far? hows its flavor of coreboot run right now? im interested in buying one and i want to know more
▶ No.947634
>>947552
You're absolutely right about the heat. This G4 makes a great heater for my room (on idle too). I'm sure that heat isn't the issue with the card. Sorry if i was being a bit vague earlier but this is the issue I was talking about:
https://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=173287
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7128758.html
Since these posts were made years ago I figured that by now there would be a solution to this problem other than disabling acceleration.
▶ No.953351>>953464
Whats the most cost efficient PPC for a poorfag?
▶ No.953464>>953483 >>953685
>>953351
Used Nintendo Wii.
▶ No.953483>>953485
>>953464
It's not that great compared to a typical G4 laptop. You need a wiimote for softmodding in order to install linux and an HDMI dongle costs $10-15.
The G4 laptop will have more ram, storage, ports and a CPU that's almost twice as powerful. A fat PS3 is a better console if you're interested in PPC.
▶ No.953485>>953687
>>953483
Is there an advantage to having a fat over a slim? You get hardware PS2 support and worse thermals. Most slims can be modded
▶ No.953685
▶ No.953687
>>953485
Fat has built in support for Playstation 2 games, no emulation... hardware support.
The slims only have emulation, no real hardware for playing the PS2 games.
I picked up one, in desperate need of a cleaning, at a yard sale for 5 bucks. Still looking for an "easy" way to toss linux on it... one of those projects that I want to do, but I don't want to have to spend hours doing.
▶ No.955405
>>922778
What in the actual fuck?
The computer slows itself down after 30 minutes if you don't pay them their shekels.
Fuck that.
▶ No.955409>>960823
>>922525
>Talos II lite
Holy fuck. I hit 10 grand on the configuration within 5 clicks.
▶ No.960791>>960792
>>946861
Palemoon 28 doesn't compile on PPC and they're planning to completely drop support completely, see also >>957864. I tried patching the SSE2 compiler flags out of the makefiles and ended up with a binary that segfaults on my G5. We're stuck with the 27 series for the time being. Here's what I think I did after looking over that machine's /etc/portage.
Preliminary steps:
>emerge eselect-repository if eselect-repository is not already present
>eselect repository enable palemoon
>emerge --sync palemoon
>emerge -av gcc:4.9.4
Unmask sys-devel/gcc-4.9.4 when prompted and wait several hours for gcc to compile. My dual 1.8 GHz G5 with 4 GB of RAM will do it in 2.75 hours. Edit the files mentioned below while you're waiting.
Add a line to /etc/portage/package.unmask:
=www-client/palemoon-27*
Add these two lines to /etc/portage/package.keywords. The firefox ebuild has yasm as a x86/amd64 conditional dependency so it shouldn't be necessary on PPC but I don't want to edit the ebuild to find out.
dev-lang/yasm *
=www-client/palemoon-27* ~*
Add a line to /etc/portage/package.env:
www-client/palemoon palemoon27.conf
Create a file at /etc/portage/env/palemoon27.conf with these two lines:
CC=gcc-4.9.4
CXX=g++-4.9.4
And finally
>emerge -av palemoon
Adjust the USE flags and keywords of the dependencies if it asks you to. I'm using the default USE flags on palemoon itself. Wait several more hours for it to compile. My G5 needs about 3.25 hours.
You should now have a working palemoon. This works on a 64-bit G5 with CFLAGS="-O2 -pipe -mcpu=970 -mtune=970 -mabi=altivec -maltivec -fomit-frame-pointer". I can't guarantee it will work on a 32-bit G4.
Apologies for the very late reply. I don't come here very often anymore.
▶ No.960792>>960835
>>960791
FYI you can compile it with and up to gcc-6.3.0. Anything past that and it won't build. How well is it running for you with 4.9.4?
▶ No.960823
>>955409
Isn't it amazing that low production specialty machines charge a premium fee that's much higher than mass produced machines.
▶ No.960835
>>960792
That's good to know. The ebuild asks for either 4.7 or 4.9, so 4.9.4 is the path of least resistance in this case.
It works flawlessly for me, and much better than firefox has in a long time. 27.9.4 feels faster than firefox 52.9.0 on both the G5 and my X60.
▶ No.960966
>>931100
this seems like extreme jewry.
>>931212
this isn't a single slot board. this is the same double socket board with half of the connectors not soldered off. how much did they save on production with that, $25?
This is like nvidia/amd selling the same graphics card at different price points and just disabling shit at the lower price points.
▶ No.963458>>963459 >>963461
>>947129
What GPU are you running?
Also can you try mednafen with some PS1 and Saturn games?
For the latter Spyro 3 tends to be pretty hard for older CPUs to run. Panzer dragoon is also very demanding on the CPU
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▶ No.963461>>963669
>>963458
>let's spend $25,000 to emulate PS1 and Saturn games.
▶ No.963606>>963687
You guys think https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/ had any chance at all at becoming a thing? Novena was a mess but it got finished because the lead was an actual hardware designer, here we have a group that outsources everything.
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▶ No.963687
>>963606
>The bad news is that under this agreement it was not possible to obtain an empty chassis, forcing ACube to buy a complete laptop, then take the x86 motherboard away (and possibly, reselling it).
They'll make something considering that it's ACube but it'll be ridiculously expensive and very low volume. The Novena might look like a bargain in comparison.
Their Open Hardware notebook chassis seems like it might be interesting but there's nothing there. I've seen DIY RasberryPi laptop or 'cyberdeck' projects by teenagers on hackaday and reddit that are more put together than this laptop project.
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Just got 2 Mac G4's. What the fuck can I do with these? I'd want to turn one into a NAS since it lacks a video card, but what the fuck can be done with the other?