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 No.908059>>908074 >>908096 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

EXHIBIT A

>I responded to another uninformed individual on the interwebs earlier, who had a similar mindset. To save myself some time, I'm just going to copy/paste what I wrote him for your benefit:

>I don't have a GSYNC monitor yet. But I will be picking up the new 144Hz 1440p IPS GSYNC monitor from Acer. I was going to get the ROG Swift but didn't want to settle for a TN panel. GSYNC and the accompanying ULMB tech is absolutely amazing.

>Secondly...your statement is utterly idiotic. You said you will buy the better product, in your price range. 2 things. You have no idea what FreeSync would cost. You're assuming there is no cost associated with the custom asic scaler and design modification required. Any manufacturer that implements FreeSync is going to incur additional costs, and is also guaranteed to have a markup because business and economics, and also because FreeSync is ONLY supported by AMD, and only on some of their cards. Intel and Nvidia have not signed on to support it. So anyone that puts the money into developing and manufacturing these monitors will require an even higher manufacturer markup than the competing GSYNC monitors due to much lower potential "FreeSync" customer base. If Intel signs on to FreeSync, then we can re-evaluate this argument. But for now, this is economics 101.

>So you're bashing an existing technology, by comparing it to a not-yet-public technology, without knowing how the 2 compare (for example, there will be no ULMB or 3D Vision support for FreeSync), and without even knowing the price difference between the two. You're making an uninformed assumption, and making a complete judgment based on it. And that is wrong. AMD has Nvidia beat in one aspect of the GSYNC/FreeSync wars, and that is in naming theirs FreeSync, making people think it's actually free. And making people think it is exactly like/has all the features of GSYNC (which it is/does not). That's actually an impressive marketing win, when you consider the number of people such as yourself who've been confused to the point that you think Nvidia shouldn't charge money for taking a risk on R&D and creating custom boards and technology (which is something the manufacturer would normally have to do), and also for thinking manufacturers like to go to extra lengths to add premium niche features at a cost, without adding their own substantial markup. And at the same time...not realizing that monitor manufacturers will have to create a special asic scaler to be able to able to add FreeSync. And they're doing all of that for what...AMD? The company that is only getting 30% of current desktop GPU sales?

>When calculating R&D recovery costs, it is based off of expected sales volume. Since the expected sales of FreeSync are lower, due to fewer people being able to use it, they have to start off with a higher markup to recoup the additional costs of the hardware and also the implementation in design of FreeSync. And seeing that AMD owners are usually "value shoppers" they may find it harder to justify paying extra for FreeSync if it turns out, for example, that GSYNC has a total premium of $200, and FreeSync still has a premium of $120 (this would of course also include the fact that FreeSync does not include ULMB, which could be added separately, but which is then even more costs that would align it even more closely with GSYNC prices).

>BOTTOM LINE: Thinking FreeSync will end up being Free or almost Free, is foolhardy. As with everything in life...you get what you pay for. FreeSync *can be* (but not necessarily will be) more successful in the non-enthusiast/non-gamer market. But considering the forum we're on, and the monitors and price ranges we are discussing, whether you pay $800 for the GSYNC version or $700 for the FreeSync version without ULMB (best case scenario on pricing...but I doubt it'll vary that much), we're not talking about enough of a difference to forego certain features. FreeSync is simply intended to not leave AMD in the dust with no adaptive sync options. Because that would lead to even more AMD users jumping ship to Nvidia, and that reduction in competition would be bad for everybody.

http://archive.is/2018.05.02-180429/https://hardforum.com/threads/official-acer-xb270hu-27-1440p-144hz-g-sync-ips-ulmb-monitor-thread.1849035/page-3

 No.908060

EXHIBIT B

>From the reports this is not a situation of nVidia, ASUS, or ACER price gouging consumers. This is a custom board with freshly developed technology and the board maker wouldn't budge on their pricing.

>Given that these modules are going to sell in the range of tens of thousands rather than hundreds of thousands or millions, that's the only way they would recoup their R&D and manufacturing costs. I doubt they're making much "profit" at all.

>Obviously the price is going to drop as orders scale up. But to think that Freesync is going to suddenly take the market by storm, or that even if it did that they'd offer it for substantially less, is misguided.

>The market is going to drive pricing and right now that market is a niche demand from buyers willing to pay a hefty premium for the best.

>Also, I'd be very surprised if Freesync made G-sync irrelevant. We're not even sure it's going to be competitive. Right now it's vaporware and promises to about what it's capable of doing or how well it will compete and speculation about pricing relative to G-sync are all simply jibberjabber.

http://archive.is/2018.05.02-180254/https://hardforum.com/threads/official-acer-xb270hu-27-1440p-144hz-g-sync-ips-ulmb-monitor-thread.1849035/page-2

>fast forward 3 years later

>chip to change video timings is indeed not $200 nor super duper trade secrets

>chip to strobe backlights (ULMB) is indeed not $200 nor super duper trade secrets


 No.908074>>908100

>>908059 (OP)

>ULMB or 3D Vision

unneeded and harmful shit

ULMB = flicker which is bad for eyes

and there's no true "3D" on a fucking monitor, 3D would be a proper holographic objects projected onto real 3D meatspace,

but this one is a marketing horseshit, in reality it's at most a stereoscopic imagery, and so far it's a complete shit fest everywhere with a lot of problems and annoyances and health risks that are nonexistent for regular displays, so not worth using.

and the adoption of FreeSync is only a question of time, it's free, capische?


 No.908096

>>908059 (OP)

FreeSync is royalty free and the cheapest FreeSync monitors are ~$130, not much higher than any ordinary 1080p monitor. Compare that to the cheaptest GSYNC monitor, at $350, and we can conclude that you're full of shit.


 No.908100>>908105

>>908074

The meme is that it's fine if you just put the refresh rate high enough (or strobe rate on LCDs, but they have slightly different characteristics). Really any kind of monitor technology sounds like a bad idea for the eyes aside from e-ink. LCDs are just a flashlight in your face with 1920x1080x3 shutters. Smearing and motion blur feels pretty bad for my eyes. I'm looking to buy a CRT because I was retarded and got rid of mine a long time ago, and now I can't use my calculator screen for anything aside from static images without panning. Then maybe when calculator screens with proper strobe backlights get cheaper and actually work I might buy one


 No.908105

>>908100

>LCDs are just a flashlight in your face

literally not a problem per se, there's no inherent difference between reflected and direct light.

>Smearing and motion blur feels pretty bad for my eyes

now this is really strange. I don't know why could it be.


 No.908144

Your OP is crap, don't expect a lot of response


 No.908152

sage




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