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Why does it seem that BSD users are all complete faggots? Even more proportionately than many GNU/Linux users? I think it has to do with how institutionally tied to Silicon Valley it is. Anyone have experience with this? I'm proud that I wasn't using FreeBSD when they cucked the CoC in the last couple of months. It's embarrassing to watch as an onlooker.
▶ No.907141
OpenBSD was always superior to FreeBSD.
▶ No.907154>>907245
>using Cuck License: The OS
>ever
▶ No.907194
I'd prefer lincuck over bsdcuck anyday
▶ No.907205
>I'm proud that I wasn't using FreeBSD
>I'm proud
>proud
hmm I heard that somewhere...
▶ No.907207>>907211 >>907212 >>907221 >>907259
Well -- it saddens me that people will not give OpenBSD a chance because of the license (and the libertards in the community). It's really great, performance has gotten better and we have a modern compiler in base now. The audio stack is better than the mess Linux has; and I really feel it's the last sane OS.
▶ No.907211>>907219 >>907227
>>907207
i tried openbsd once but i didn't like the default console font so I deleted it and installed gentoo.
▶ No.907212>>907227
>>907207
I'd use a BSD if there was a way to use it as a Gentoo-like source distribution. OpenBSD doesn't even have port configuration, unlike the other BSDs. And the others BSDs don't have a way to update all ports (maybe synth for free/dfly?).
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▶ No.907221
>>907207
OpenBSD's goal isn't to become popular, so it's working as planned. It's just the butthurt faggots who can't subvert it that constantly whine about it.
▶ No.907227>>907246
>>907211
You could always use another font...
>>907212
Yes - it's rather unfortunate that the only use ports have on OpenBSD is compiling it from source. But, I don't really need to customize packages (I have zero bloatware on my personal computer - this means no modern browsers). On a different note - Portmaster is written entirely in shell script, I think Portage should have been the same way (I hate Python).
▶ No.907231
>GNU/Exec never ever
I want out of this timeline
▶ No.907233>>907234
FreeBSD is the Linux of BSDs.
▶ No.907234
>>907233
>meaningless statement
care to elaborate?
▶ No.907236
I personally hated openbsd when I tried it and loved freebsd. OpenBSD seems to break everything but the default installation and oh boy that ethernet configuration... jesus christ.
t. ex-gentooman bosding from freebsd
▶ No.907245>>907247 >>907285 >>907509 >>908398
>>907154
The GPL is considered harmful:
http://gng.z505.com/cult.htm
http://gng.z505.com/stallmanism.htm
http://z505.com/cgi-bin/qkcont/qkcont.cgi?p=Please-Stop-Using-GNU-Licenses
http://gng.z505.com/fsf-gnu-site-bug.htm
I'm glad other people have been posting this website lately. Stallman claimed OpenBSD "has non-free software" because he failed to understand the ports system - he also was completely ignorant of how Theo has railed against blobs for drivers (they still are fighting against them now, even though Linux has given up - Theo even got an award from the FSF).
http://www.fsdaily.com/stop-blob
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143355112811564&w=2
>Can't steal what's given away for free.
>The fact that people can use BSD software in proprietary projects is an unavoidable side effect of the fact that you can use BSD software in *any* software project, including any free license.
>GPL is incompatible with so many free licenses it's not even funny. It's even incompatible with itself. If you've ever had to deal with software, one GPLv2 and the other GPLv3+ (copyright owned by the FSF who refused to relicense), you would hate the GPL too.
>Fuck the FSF for promoting incredibly long lawyerese-packed licenses. Fuck the FSF for promoting AND USING nonfree licenses like the GFDL and CC-BY-ND. Fuck the FSF (indirectly through the SFLC) for pushing monetary settlements for Busybox lawsuits instead of actually getting useful code contributions.
>How many Linuxfags know about OpenBSD's work reverse engineering wireless drivers and pushing vendors to open up documentation? How many know about OpenBSD standing up to the IETF for pushing patented protocols and OpenBSD's patent-free alternatives like CARP? Heck, their beloved FSF even recognized Theo for it back in the early 2000s - but ever since has worked to sabotage BSD's reputation in the free software community for "promoting nonfree software." What bullshit. Programmers write code, not licenses. If you're still using the P.O.S (Poettering Operating System) that is Linux today, you're beyond saving.
▶ No.907246
>>907227
Eh, you can customize ports if you just edit the Makefile. In the past I customized Lynx by simply adding some of the configure arguments to port's Makefile.
▶ No.907247>>907252
>>907245
I hate the GPL for those reasons, and I think Linux will go down the drain definitely once Torvalds retires in 10 to 20 years time, and perhaps sooner with the encroachment of ShitstemDicks and DunceAudio.
Where can I find a guide to OpenBSD (for example) aimed at loonix users? e.g. what's the equivalent of /dev/sda, how to change the console font, etc.
▶ No.907252
>>907247
There's nothing specifically tailored for Linux users, but there are good introductory books that explain everything:
Absolute OpenBSD
The Book of PF
▶ No.907259>>907263 >>907264
>>907207
I'd use a BSD if there was a way to use it as a Gentoo-like source distribution. OpenBSD doesn't even have port configuration, unlike the other BSDs. And the others BSDs don't have a way to update all ports (maybe synth for free/dfly?).
▶ No.907263>>907269
>>907259
Would be 10/10 if portage was re-created in compiled language (not exherbo--curse those faggos) and used in the bsds.
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▶ No.907269
>>907263
Gentoo user here what's wrong with exherbo?
▶ No.907285>>907293 >>907299 >>907305 >>907330
>>907245
>GPL is bad because [insert subjective opinions of literallywho here]
Every goddamn time.
>can’t steal what’s given away for free
<any corporation can take your code and relicense it as proprietary
>you can use BSD software in any software project
<what is LGPL
>incredibly long lawyerese-packed licenses
<see attachment
>non-free licenses like the GFDL and CC-BY-ND
<GFDL is copyleft
<CC-BY-ND allows free sharing
>instead of actually getting useful code contributions
<FSF have always been about the legal side of free software and never about the “code quality”
You OpenBSD people love to throw straw man every time you try to argue about why your 15-lines-long text is better than an document written by actual lawyers. Wanna write better software? Go on. I’ll gladly switch to OpenBSD once I’ll be able to at least play fucking Quake on it. But don’t go comparing your non-license with GPL just because your doas is better than sudo. The BSD license is a case of tolerance paradox.
▶ No.907293
>>907285
>The BSD license is a case of tolerance paradox.
You're right. New board rule. You can post whatever the fuck you want except for GPL shit.
▶ No.907297
>>907264
Did you read what I said? There's no way to enable/disable at compile time unlike ebuilds or all other BSDs. inb4 flavour. And how do I do "update all of the software I installed via port (build and install)"? Probably can't.
▶ No.907299>>907304 >>907621
>>907285
Way to completely ignore all the good things OpenBSD has done outlined in that post. The GPL wants a world where only it exists. Do you even understand why its considered viral (and what happens if I GPL something). Written by lawyers... The ones making six figures at the FSF?
Please don't bring up software quality; even Lintards admit the code quality of the GNU utils are dogshit - and Theo vomited when he saw the kernel code during the heartbleed era. Don't forget - you directly benefit from LibreSSL and OpenSSH.
>FSF have always been about the legal side of free software and never about the “code quality”
At least you admit it.
▶ No.907304>>907307
>>907299
I didn’t ignore any of the good things OpenBSD has done. Neither did I bring up the software quality: the fact that OpenBSD people write better software than GNU is a well-known one. All I said is that the BSD license is shit (in comparison to GPLv2 or GPLv3) and pointer out some bullshit. And I don’t really care how much money FSF earns, nor have I ever heard them begging for donations. Stop LARPing.
▶ No.907305>>907354 >>907516 >>910407
>>907285
The GPL is great. I'm not sure why BSD cucks hate it so much. Those excuses don't seem valid.
▶ No.907307>>907354
>>907304
I'm going to use BSD. BSD respects my freedom unlike the restrictive GPL virus.
▶ No.907330
>>907285
>I’ll gladly switch to OpenBSD once I’ll be able to at least play fucking Quake on it
ask for a match in #openbsd-gaming on freenode, or what the channelname was. be sure to post screencaps of your openbsd installation
▶ No.907354>>907360 >>907361
>>907305
>>907307
You can either work for free you fucking nigger cattle or you can work for free you dumb fucking nigger cattle. What a range of copyright options our software lawyers have allowed us.
oy vey let's argue about our rabbis definition of the word free
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▶ No.907368>>907374
>these guys are faggots, unlike myself/us
I can't tell if this is some kind of insecurity or an attempt to divide *nix users. Why would anyone be proud to see their brother get hurt. Why seek validation through proxy?
▶ No.907374
>>907368
If you're not against this subversive bullshit, you're against us (us as in the few sane people remaining in ethnically european countries).
▶ No.907380>>908227
>>907361
You don't see it that's all. In time you'll realise what a cult this crap is.
▶ No.907509>>908909
>>907245
>>How many Linuxfags know about OpenBSD's work reverse engineering wireless drivers and pushing vendors to open up documentation? How many know about OpenBSD standing up to the IETF for pushing patented protocols and OpenBSD's patent-free alternatives like CARP? Heck, their beloved FSF even recognized Theo for it back in the early 2000s - but ever since has worked to sabotage BSD's reputation in the free software community for "promoting nonfree software." What bullshit.
https://bsd.slashdot.org/story/07/04/07/1618239/gpl-code-found-in-openbsd-wireless-driver
"The mailing lists were buzzing recently when Michael Buesch, one of the maintainers for the GPL'd bc43xx Broadcom wireless chip driver project, called the OpenBSD folks to task for apparently including code without permission from his project in the OpenBSD bcw project, which aims to provide functionality with Broadcom wireless chips under that OS. It seems that the problem has been resolved for now with the BSD driver author totally giving up on the project and Theo De Raadt taking the position that Buesch's posts on the subject were 'inhuman.'"
▶ No.907516>>907520 >>907624
>>907305
The reason BSD cucks hate the GPL so much is because they want to take free software and make it proprietary with minimal effort and then distribute it to make a profit off it. Because the GPL does not just bend over like BSD they get pissed that users are defended.
▶ No.907520>>908449
>>907516
Open source is all cucked. Any developer that releases it is wasting their time. Write software and sell it. Fuck the users.
▶ No.907621>>907627 >>908045 >>908064
>yet another thread devolved into license shitposting
I wish /tech/ was better than this...
Licenses are just tools to be used for a specific purpose, what license I release my code under is simply a reflection of what I intend my code to achieve. GPL LGPL and BSD all have specific uses and there are many people who don't release code under the appropriate license for what they want to achieve. Whats somewhat ironic about the GPL is the fears that Stallman had in regards to the permissive licenses such as BSD ended up not manifesting in reality since the large companies which use OpenBSD and FreeBSD actively contribute back to it while the GPL had to go through 2 revisions since it failed several times to safeguard Linux and other projects from misuse.
Seriously, people on this board put so much effort into shitposting about licenses they are never going to use since few people here actually code.
>>907299
>even Lintards admit the code quality of the GNU utils are dogshit
The only people who think that the code in the Linux kernel is great are those that have never had to work on it or don't know any better. The Linux kernel code is by far the most disgusting code I have ever had to work on. Most codebases I can think of with permissive licenses are better than their respective GPL counterparts, EASTL is better than libC++, LLVM is better than GCC, etc.
▶ No.907624>>907631
>>907516
I use CC0/MIT; the main issue I have is when people use the GPL for libraries. I never link any programs I write to GPL libraries because there's too many licensing headaches to deal with. The lines are blurry on how you can and can't use GPL software, and to what extent you are liable to release your own work.
>Ayn Rand
Not all of us are libertards. I find it silly that the people who tout this ideology think humans are 'peaceful' and we all default to folk dancing while holding hands (completely ignorant of human history).
▶ No.907627>>907631
>>907621
>The Linux kernel code is by far the most disgusting code I have ever had to work on.
What contributions are you credited for anon?
▶ No.907631>>907639
>>907624
>I find it silly that the people who tout this ideology think humans are 'peaceful' and we all default to folk dancing while holding hands (completely ignorant of human history).
Most actual libertarians don't think that, the consequentialist argument for libertarianism is that humans are inherently evil and greedy and therefore its a bad idea to put anyone in a position of inherent power over anyone else. Whats interesting is this position is backed up by studies done over the last decade or so which have proven the adage that power corrupts, being in a position of power literally causes changes in your brain which reduce empathy and for undesirable personality traits such as NPD, BPD, etc to develop.
>>907627
None yet, in my last job I worked on the kernel component of proprietary software, in my current job I am working on code which we are hoping to get upstreamed but that's still months away.
▶ No.907639>>907645
>>907631
What about the non aggression principle? Do you _really_ think people would follow it?
▶ No.907645>>907654
>>907639
People don't avoid the rattlesnake because it warns people to leave it alone, people avoid it because they know the consequence of not leaving it alone is getting bitten by a venomous snake. The simple reality is only the potential consequences of fucking with someone else are what deter people from doing so, the NAP more of a general rule of thumb to determine who was in the wrong when someone ends up receiving high speed lead poisoning.
▶ No.907654>>907660
>>907645
While you're not wrong, the "I'll just get a bigger gun" mindset libertarians have is foolish - a bigger gun will not stop an army.
▶ No.907656
>a bigger gun will not stop an army.
To be clear, what I mean is this: a libertarian utopia is not sustainable, because avarice is human nature. When a hedge fund manager comes for you, your "bigger gun" will not stop him.
▶ No.907660>>907664
>>907654
>a bigger gun will not stop an army.
Yes it fucking will. Its called MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION. Its the only reason we are not all fucking dead right now.
▶ No.907664>>907665
>>907660
Your "bigger gun" will stop an army led by hedge fund managers? MAD only makes sense in the context of nukes.
▶ No.907665
>>907664
>MAD only makes sense in the context of nukes.
Which is what we will all purchase shares of.
▶ No.907968>>908023 >>908050 >>908558
>>907108 (OP)
Use DragonflyBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD or GNU/Linux. Everyone who continues using FreeBSD is cuck.
▶ No.908023>>908571
>>907968
All of those have shitty ZFS support the worlds best file system.
▶ No.908045
>>907621
It would be easier if you could have a killfile to filter out the idiots that keep spamming about licenses.
▶ No.908050>>908223
>>907968
FreeBSD rocks my dude, fuck the CoC what can ya do.
T. Hardcore gentoo user
▶ No.908064>>908082 >>908402
>>907621
>LLVM is better than GCC
Opinion disregarded.
▶ No.908082
>>908064
But its true anon
▶ No.908227>>908477
>>907380
>cult
It is... I wonder if humanity is incapable of managing millions of lines of code without resorting to violence?
▶ No.908398
>>907245
>cult
OK but at the bare minimum the operating system and compiler should be free software. Pay them like road workers developing public infrastructure.
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▶ No.908449>>908574
>>907520
>not wanting to write software worth purchasing even though it's free
>not wanting to battle other people's forks of your software for open source supremacy
>wanting to be a self entitled prick sitting on your oh-so valuable copyrighted code
▶ No.908471>>908571
>>908402
it doesn't even work properly for many packages and it generates shit code. you'll have to install another compiler along with it.
to be fair though, the only reason why things don't work with tcc is because people use (((GNU extensions))) cancer in their code. Embrace, extend, extinguish. Such is the motto of GNU.
▶ No.908477
>>908227
You clearly haven't worked in the software business because it takes way less than a million lines of code to necessitate violence.
▶ No.908509
>>908402
You can manually translate your shit to binary if you want maximum minimalism™. Just because it's smaller doesn't make it produce better binaries.
▶ No.908558
>>907968
>Everyone who continues using FreeBSD is cuck
This. Long time FreeBSD user, moved to OpenBSD. FreeBSD is for satanist faggots that rape children and their degenerate practices finally leaked into and fucked their code.
▶ No.908571>>908577
>>908023
>ZFS is the best FS
Nope, HAMMER is more comfy
>>908471
Soon, you too will be compiled!
▶ No.908574>>908586
>>908449
>Self entitled
Yeah fuck anyone for wanting to profit and maintain ownership over the product of their labor. REAL SCUM. They should just make vlogs begging for money and setting up a patreon where they get to make less than a single entry level developer.
▶ No.908577
>>908571
>Nope, HAMMER is more comfy
comfy means missing basic features
▶ No.908586>>908600
>>908574
>maintain ownership over the product
They still have ownership of all the code written. It's not like public domain where now everyone owns your code. They also have ownership of everything else of their project like branding, documentation, artwork, and music.
▶ No.908589
BSD would be like M$ if Linux was absent. tried BSD once, nearly got cancer from it.
▶ No.908590>>908621
I used BSD once, everything was tranny semen and basically furry porn.
▶ No.908600>>908631
>>908586
>They still have ownership of all the code written.
Software is not like a car or house. If you publish the source you have just granted them an infinite duplicator. Better to just do web services where you keep it to yourself.
▶ No.908621>>908957 >>909901
>>908590
Did you know trannies have a problem with ingrown hairs from their ballsacks which make up the skin of their mangled "vaginas"? Fun fact.
▶ No.908631>>908633
>>908600
>an infinite duplicator
of just the code for the project
If you are basing your business on selling some mathematical function you came up with, you have much deeper problems.
▶ No.908633>>908828
>>908631
>of just the code for the project
Even worse
>If you are basing your business on selling some mathematical function you came up with, you have much deeper problems.
If you are basing your business on some arbitrary configuration of atoms you have much deeper problems.
▶ No.908828>>908916
>>908633
You know that's not an argument.
▶ No.908909
>>907509
That was certainly embarrassing; but, there was a time when OpenBSD was using ath5k drivers and Linux was stuck with madwifi proprietary drivers. Theo also does not allow *any* blobs to be run by the CPU.
Also, this:
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=118965266709012&w=2
▶ No.908916>>908918
>>908828
>You know that's not an argument.
If you are calling large software projects "some mathematical function you came up with" then cars and food are just some combination of atoms. A real shit attempt at belittling a business model.
▶ No.908918>>908921 >>908923 >>908927
>>908916
Artificial scarcity for a set of mathematical functions is a brittle business model. The reason why it's so successful is because people are taught to respect such a brittle way of business.
▶ No.908921
>>908918
>Artificial scarcity for a set of mathematical functions is a brittle business model
Its not a brittle business model. Someone has to write that code. Its not fucking you, its Engineers at Google. And the best part is they don't even have to GIVE it to you.
>The reason why it's so successful is because people are taught to respect such a brittle way of business.
Look man they don't have to hand you the program. They run the program in their little box and control your access to it. Software companies are alive and well, proprietary software and platforms will continue forever. These platforms are not dependent on your "respect" for them.
▶ No.908923
>>908918
>Artificial scarcity for a set of mathematical functions is a brittle business mode
Yeah reverse engineering software is so easy. That binary they give you is totally equivalent to the build process they used to generate it. I'm sure you will get really far thinking that way.
▶ No.908927
>>908918
Really when someone buys a car they are just buying metal rubber and electronics. The whole mathematical process behind those raw materials is a brittle model.
▶ No.908934
>>907108 (OP)
>implying BSD users are responsible for this
>implying that there's just one "BSD"
>implying OpenBSD isn't the least cucked of the major Unix or Unix-like OS's
Mods deleted the CTS labs Jew thread but leave obvious bait like this up. Good job faggots.
▶ No.908935
Sorry forgot to do something here.
▶ No.908947>>908951
What I want to try is plan9, sounds like it isn't cucked.
▶ No.908951
>>908947
Use 9front but yeah.
▶ No.908957
>>908621
Who are those "people"? I want to avoid their code.
▶ No.909901
>>908621
Why are there digimon on the wall behind them?
▶ No.910407>>910903
>>907305
They are not valid because it is a person spreading lies.
▶ No.910408
If you are going to use BSD, use DragonflyBSD, it atleast tries to do anything different
▶ No.910903>>910906
>>910407
Lies? You mean the fact that the GPL has more restrictions than BSD is a lie? GPL does not respect your freedom. BSD gives you the power to do what you wish.
▶ No.910906
>>910903
Some could still hear the GNUfag, slowly fading into silence, shouting: "Four Freedoms."