/tech/ - Technology★

So, my shitty 10-year-old laptop is finally dying and I'm going to have to buy a new one soon. Should I go for a t60 or a t420? I'll mostly use it for web browsing and maybe some light video editing. How do I avoid being scammed on ebay? Is there anything I should be checking for? How do you get the best deal? How much is too much for a t420?

>>903831

T420 all the way, don't get memed into buying a T60.

As for your other questions: idk as I never bought, or cared about 14 inch ThinkPads.

>>903831

>my shitty 10-year-old laptop is finally dying so I'm going to buy a slightly less shit 10-year-old laptop

>>903847

Aren't old thinkpads supposed to be better than newer laptops, when one considers build quality and price/performance ratio? Also easier to upgrade, repair, etc? That's what I've always heard.

>>903824

quality reply

>>903803 (OP)

I'm having real trouble setting for one specific memepad. I have owned every single memepad on this list and they have all annoyed me in some way.

T60: too heavy, too old

T410: even heavier, GPU is shit

T420: too heavy, GPU is shit, shitty screen

T430: too heavy, shitty screen, meh keyboard

X220: GPU is shit, shitty screen

X220T: GPU is shit, heavier than the x220 but manageable

X240: disgusting keyboard and touchpad, single channel RAM

X230: current

I'm... "okay" with this one, I guess. I miss the old keyboard but I can live with this. Was thinking of getting the x230T, that's the same thing but a bit heavier and you also get a touchscreen. Then, upgrading it with a backlit keyboard because the most likely scenario is that it won't come with one.

So.. what do you think? should I stop this consumerist frenzy and stick with the x230 or get the x230T and then stop?

>>903855

X230/X230t with xx20 keyboard sounds like what you want.

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=TEAO7jhxxwk

Thinkpad 25 is currently the best Thinkpad.

>>903942

No it isn't, it's obviously the P71 :^)

>>903943

>nu-keyboard

Nope.

Aren't Chinkpads loaded with spywares?

Why, what can I do with it that I can already do with my desktop or phone, and if they're so cheap can I put up one of a hundred bucks with 4 or 8 gigs of ram.

>>903978

>using the default Windows installation

>>903988

Well unlike a desktop you can take it with you, and unlike a phone you can install a worthwhile OS. Plus if you get one with a real keyboard it's way better than the horse shit chicklet keyboards all nupads have. Also Trackpoint.

>>903978

Lenovo consumer laptops had this problem, never the ThinkPad line

>>903978

literally any laptop made since 2010 has spyware from within the BIOS anyway. And you can always install a decent OS to minimize the damage.

>>903833

>don't get memed into buying a T60

Literally what is wrong with T60? People do buy even older ones, like T43 or even T23.

>>904300

Sandy/Ivy Bridge is far, far faster than a Core 2 Duo in the T6x's, LED backlight, better iGPU on xx30 models, better battery life, and parts are somewhat easier to acquire.

>>904318

Are you that tranny faggot who runs the /tpg/ threads on cuck /g/? You type exactly like it.

T60 is still fast enough for all tasks except modern 3D intensive stuff and more importantly has no built in government mandated backdoor spyware.

>>904402

You mean xsauc? He doesn't shill Toughbooks so no.

Speaking of backdoor shit, you could always get a T400/X200/whatever 3rd gen Core 2 Duo ThinkPad and Libreboot it if you're that paranoid.

>>903852

Yes, ignore the shitposters newbie.

>>903855

>on a x230

>I miss the old keyboard

You don't have to miss it as long as you have 20 bucks and about 10 minutes to spare.

I wouldn't get the x230t because the resolution is a pain in the ass for drawing. So unless you want x230 touch-edition, stick with what you have.

>>904588

or not.

>>904588

lemme get that bg homie

>>904803

I'd just get a new screen, and if it's 15.4, a WUXGA one.

>>905005

How to make Firefox (or some fork thereof) look i3-like rather than like an obvious DE program?

>>905005

>c64

Admittedly, that lidless Thinkpad sitting there in front of the monitor looks strangely reminiscent of some 80s home computer (and I had that vague impression even from your previous picture up above, so before you mentioned "c64" at all).

>>905040

Would floppy drive and VHS tape drive fit side-by-side on a 4:3 Thinkpad?

Also I'm not the author of the image, feel free to shoop/gimp/mspaint/whatever it to your liking. The points regarding the keyboard and touchpad are somewhat valid (the ugly yuro one should at least be replaced with an ANSI one).

Concerning FP scanner opinions seem to differ, in the previous Thinkpad thread an anon argued that the old FP scanners aren't botnet because they store the fingerprint inside themselves and only send a hash of sorts ("fingerprint of the fingerprint" so to speak) via the driver, as opposed to the newer ones which are basically cameras which send the actual fingerprint image to the OS.

>>905040

>16:10 is bad

you're obviously not a programmer.

Fuck yeah, found a palmrest for my T22. Now I have three working ThinkPads!

and none of them have FlexView displays and all of them are Pentium III machines :'(

>>904588

xx20 keyboard, i7 QM upgrade and FHD screen upgrade and you're set for the next 10 years.

>>905133

Anything shorter than 4:3 is bad.

>>905166

But it's not shorter at all. It's wider. Eample: you have a 1600x1200 (4:3) screen. You add 10% of the total width (i.e. 160 pixels) to each side, resulting in a 1920x1200 (16:10) screen. Now 16:9 is actually shorter because you arrive at it by starting with 16:10 and then taking away the top 10% (120 pixels) arriving at a 1920x1080 screen, but we're not talking about that, are we.

>>905020

I havent really done anything except install xorg, libertine fonts and firefox with a different font (i forgot exactly what i chose but it was the 7th choice on pacman). Just plain normal Firefox. Now you mention it, when ive used ubuntu with i3 before firefox looked a little weird like it had some gtk things still running or something. Check in pstree if youre running other things when you launch firefox, there should only be the essentials loaded.

>>905176

What are the exact absolute dimensions of the 14.1, 15, and 15.4'' T60 versions? Is the indicated diagonal specific to the whole lid, or just the screen?

>>904588

Im not a windows user but i really want to know how you riced it so tastefully? Looks awesome. You also might be able to upgrade that processor to something newer. Also get a dock, docks are awesome, even more so for heavy laptops.

>>905187

Thanks. I used 7+ taskbar tweaker for the slim vertical taskbar, classic shell for the custom start menu and button, and cygwin + windows screeny for the vanity window.

>>905159

I'm prolly just gonna wait until a fine looking, cheap W530 shows somewhere and get all that at once, this one is fantastic for my needs at the moment.

>>905184

on the 15.4in version theres an extra in on the left and right of the keyboard other than that it seems just to be a wider thinkpad t60. depending on how old the model you get the internals are slightly different, my 2006 t60 for example does not have a magnesium backplate behind the lcd but my 2008 t61 does. the radios are also different. make sure to buy the correct parts for t60s depending on lcd size because they have very different engineering inside.

>>906012

I think you meant T70. Don't expect much, if any support if you get one, and be prepared to pay shipping fees and all that bullshit.

>>906015

yeah, sorry, I mean't that. I always have to pay shipping fees; I'm not burguerican.

>>905365

Except your T60 does haev a magnesium backplate, it just isn't a Roll Cage like the T61 has.

>>905133

>fitting several terminals side by side is bad

>>903855

>T420: too heavy, GPU is shit, shitty screen

>T430: too heavy, shitty screen, meh keyboard

>X220: GPU is shit, shitty screen

Then don't buy the one with an IPS panel

>>906436

>>903855

I meant TN panel

>>906898

You can get 99% Isopropanol for Proton Scientific, try eBay.

One of the USB 3.0 sockets is brutally tight.

Like you have to hold the thinkpad and stick with both hands to release it..

Should I keep using it? I am scared.

The 2nd one is tight but smoother.

>>906910

$5 for a 100ml. Imma try this. How do you know this company?

>>906923

Or just get some brake cleaner, far less aggressive than alcohol.

>>906931

It's cheaper too. I will try this.

I got my X220t today and am currently shopping for 2.5" and mSATA SSD's. On the side, I was think of getting something for the expresscard slot since the left screen rest has slightly broke off.

I was wondering if USB 3.0 expresscards are any good or if they are just useless memes.

>>907111

ExpressCard USB3 is a meme, don't fall for it.

Got my M6500 in the mail, didn't expect it to be in awesome condition!

>>907362

So what is the expresscard slot good for in the end? Ethernet adapter to not use the built-in one where AMT runs on?

>>907501

Don't listen to that tard, Expresscard is fine for USB3.

>>907508

Except it isn't, ExpressCard doesn't have the required power for it to properly work. What however does work, is a eGPU since you have a Sandy Bridge system.

Installed WS2008 R2 on the M6500, now going to install WS2016 on the mSATA drive for shits 'n giggles.

>>907536

Pretty sure all the Expresscard USB3 adapters have a dongle to siphon power from another USB slot.

USB3 is overrated anyway.

>>907362

>>907536

Thanks for the tip! Not sure about the eGPU since I'm not sure about upgrading the screen. Maybe in a few months.

>>907586

>falling for the screen upgrade Jew

It's really not worth it.

>>909207

Back in the day it was, but nowadays I would agree that it's no use anymore, integrated audio chips are better than ever.

>>908495

Were circumcisions introduced in US to sell lube and paper towels to burgers?

>>909207

creative is a meme company since nforce2 onboard soundstorm chip

>>906920

maybe you have bent the connector

figure out whats wrong and bend it back

or use a plastic toothpick to dig the dirt out

>>906898

peel 1 corner and spray some wd40 on it

it will eat the glue away rinse and repeat until it is all gone

>>909293

u ken kook meth wit dat....

>you let go off the trackpoint

>the cursor keeps moving

>>909295

>kali

muh ip is 127.0.0.1

bring it on

>>909295

I shouldn't have used it indoors with the thinkpad in my lap tbh.. The fumes were strong and cancerous..

>>909293

Brake cleaner is fucking amazing stuff.

t. uses it to clean laptop lids and remove thermal paste

Forgot to take off my trip like the retard I am. Got my T22 palmrest in the mail btw, now I have three working ThinkPads!

>>903855

I shop strictly for the X200 and X60 w/ SXGA+ (and equivelant tablet versions). These are the only libreboot compatible models without a trackpad.

Have you guys noticed that most T60 keyboards have regular scissor switches intead of the kind found in the T4x series? Where can I buy a new keyboard for my T60 with the real switches?

>>907674

Is Fedora decent for an X220? What about DE's? I know with 8 GB RAM sticks and a Sandy Bridge CPU I have some wiggle room, but I don't want waste too much resources.

>>910099

Those are probably inferior Chicony or Minebea switches, early 40 series had ALPS.

https://archive.fo/3nKN4

>>903824

>>>/4chan/

Just got extremely lucky and got myself a CF-19 Mk7 (!) for 420$! Even has the Panasonic factory recovery partition on it!

>>910911

And I bought a 920XM for my M6500. Went nuts with ThrottleStop and it doesn't go below 3 GHz with all four cores 100% loaded.

>>910924

Below 3 GHz? What about 3.5 GHz all core turbo and 3.6 on two cores? Too bad I can't get 3.6 all core turbo but whatever.

I'm thinking of getting a thinkpad and making it ad free as possible. Would a t60 be better for this or an x60 be better?

>>911285

They're the same thing. Basically any libreboot-able memepad is "as free as possible". It just so happens that those ones are easier to libreboot.

>>905005

EXWM or bust.

FUCK my life. There's a crack in the lid of my CF-19.

Thank god I can use a lid from a 19 Mk3 or up though. except there are none up for sale on JewBay as of now

>>912433

Should be the same as the X280 and T480, the Aseries use the same chassis as them.

Found someone selling a job lot of disassembled CF-19's, waiting on him to get back from vacantion so I can buy it.

>>912750

I'd go with a T430 and swap the keyboard.

>>912750

First ThinkPad? T430. The "classic" keyboard on the T420 really isn't all that - it just happens to have the old layout (not *really* important if you've never owned a ThinkPad before). Something to note is that you won't be able to use third-party batteries.

The T420 keyboard doesn't hold a candle to a T60 (NMB), 360PE, or T4x keyboard. You can try it out though, like the other anon said.

>>912752

>>912761

Thanks for the help, got carried away by some Luke Smith video.

>>912791

Kek. His video thumbnails are the dankest shit on jewtube. One the one hand I wished that I had his level of autism and appreciate keyboard based workflows. On the other hand I'm okay with not using vim for my coding projects.

>>909299

>127.0.0.1

me too <3

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-laptops/winnipeg/for-sale-acer-asppire-one-netbook/1351346575

should i buy this then coreboot, or save up for an x60s? it looks in poor condition and has been opened before because it's missing screw covers.

>>912841

>consumer shit

>Acer post the Pentium 4 era

lol no, just get a X60.

>>912835

>IT'S COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE

How is the T530? Can get one for the equivalent of ~$100 US and they seem okay, I'll probably still use my X200 more but something a bit beefier isn't unwelcome.

>>913399

Are you planning to install coreboot on it? I'm asking because I got an X220 recently myself and I'm unsure if it is worth the trouble to install it.

>>913505

I'm considering it. My biggest issue being getting my hands on a Pomona 5250 clip or similar. Where I live it would easily cost $50 in total to have that thing shipped. Couldn't find anything locally either.

>>913664

Try eBay or Aliexpress.

>>911293

Fuck you, i3 is the shit. I can never use anything else now that I've gotten a taste of tabbing

>>909230

>what is dynamic range

a legit external USB interface are a huuuuuge upgrade

>>918238

The T430 is like 7 years old, those batteries are all fucking dead. And you got a used one too, that battery is double dead. Your only choice is to get a chink ripoff replacement battery that has a 50/50 chance of exploding.

I don't know about the light though you should wipe the hard drive and install Gentoo.

>>915137

So smol I want

I'm a poorfag right now. The local computer shop called me up and told me they finally got a Thinkpad in but told me it was a Z-series. I don't know what a Z-Series is, but when I told him that the culture I lurk likes the X-series, he assumed that the Z-Series is older due to that. What's your opinion on the Z-Series? It's only $150. Should I save for something more expensive?

>>918257

Z-series is old as fuck, T4x/T6x era.

150$ could get you a nice X220 if you can wait.

Hi. I think about getting T470p, mainly due to its GPU but I'm concerned if it's gonna work on Linux with Nouveau. Is anyone currently using such setup?

>>918257

If you are in Canada see if your city has a Uniway computer store. Great selection of all thinkpads T500 Era and newer straight from Chinese refurbishers

>>918294

Wasnt there a titanium body z series with a 1680x1050 display?

>>918524

Z61t. Looks cool but that's about it.

How are ToughBook laptops? anyways, what's a good one for ~300?

>>918903

Ridiculously rugged, not fast, not cheap.

Keep a watch on eBay for a CF-19 Mk6 or 31 Mk3, with a bit of luck you can snag one under 400$.

>>918920

thanks anon UwU

Does anyone know if it's still possible to buy the T70 or X62 anymore?

>>918936

X62 has been discontinued IIRC, T70 should still be available.

Best is to ask around on /r/thinkpads or even better, asking LCDfans on Facebook directly.

Is it worth trying to repair the LCD on my vintage 755Cs? It's a 486DX2 (maybe a DX4) with 16Mb RAM. Everything works great and video looks fine on an external monitor, but I got some discolored vertical lines. I'm just not sure if it's a circuit that needs repair or the LCD that needs replacement.

Since I'm a retard. Is there anyway of fixing a broken keycap aside from ordering a brand new keyboard for my backlit t440s?

>>919086

become friends with one of those newly-fired old-blood IBMers, they might be able to help

>>919086

I wouldn't bother with a 80486 unless you're really attached to it.

t. spent boatloads of money on a Blink of Death suffering T22

>>919307

Speaking of which, I would love a 765D just because of that keyboard.

>>919175

Are the hinges and keycap mounting points still intact? You could just click it back on if so.

I haven't bought a laptop on years but I'm looking at getting a reconditioned Lenovo e470 for around 400 dollarydoos. Really not sure if this is a good deal yet. Such a fuck around trying to find a decent laptop at a decent price.

>>919387

E-series are nothing but a glorified IdeaPad with ThinkPad on it.

Just get a T-series.

>>915137

>memelord keyboard

>not covering the webcam

How do you mitigate/minimize risks from the ME if unable or unwilling to libreboot or use me_cleaner? How effective is not installing the HECI/MEI driver and disabling the device in device manager? Are VMs safer than bare-metal? Can the ME override BIOS settings and transparently enable/use devices which have been explicitly disabled in BIOS?

>>919648

ME runs at ring -3 so you're fucked either way.

That, and there are many more unlisted exploits for ME/BIOS out there.

>>915137

>arrows

>on the WASD keys

For what purpose?

Finally found some cheap DDR3L 1600 RAM for my CF-19, which means I have 8GB RAM now.

Still haven't got GPS working, might take a bit more tinkering.

>>919382

No. Fucking texas sun and me being outside using em actually melted the keycap partially.

>>921705

At that point i'd just get a new keyboard.

Funny thing I just noticed: internally the CF-19 Mk7 is identical to the 19 Mk6, down to the "CF-19 MK6" markings on the motherboard and daugthercards. Only thing that's different is the CPU.

>>921713

I threw up a little in my mouth.

Remind me again why ponyfags exist?

I have a t400 that I bought a few years ago and the battery needs replacement. Does anyone know a reputable company that sells replacement batteries?

>>921768

>Remind me again why ponyfags exist?

Autism, poor parenting (usually by single mothers), and endocrine disruptors in the food chain and water supplies.

>>921771

I had good luck with VHBW batteries on my T2x's, not sure if they use the same Sanyo cells on T400 batteries however.

>>921713

>unlike pics related

>grips

can be easily swapped

>...

A replica, probably? I remember /k/ being immensely triggered over ruined "original" k98 which was actually a replica, or at least the "ruined" part was.

>>921713

>#2

Why even live anymore.

Got r51e recently. Though I don't see much use for it, given it has ata/ide disk and internal bay that doesn't support sata. About the only possibly redeeming thing is it has rj45 as well as rj11, though I doubt it supports anything other than shitty adsl.

>>921806

>adsl

You'd be lucky if that was a DSL modem. It's probably just dialup, like every single other modem you find in a laptop.

Not that you need one, because you can just hook it up to a proper modem through ethernet.

>>921786

I can't find anyone selling VHBW batteries for thinkpads unfortunately. Any others?

>>921820

High performance modem/router was about the only application I could think of, besides being a borderline passable emergency backup.

>>921773

>Autism, poor parenting (usually by single mothers)

Yeah. my brother was a brony for a while. good thing that shit's only temporary most the time.

>>921842

Second hit on eBay UK: https://www.ebay.com/itm/232786026119

I can get a Dell Precision M40 for 35€ including shipping, go for it? I know early Precisions are very rare because people weren't really into mobile workstations in the early 2000s, and I love Pentium III era hardware.

>>921806

Fun fact about the R51e: it actually has a better chipset/iGPU than the normal R51, and it supports DDR2 too.

>>921702

Got GPS working, it ended up being the Sierra Wireless drivers not being installed somehow.

Also got GPS working on my Toughpad by doing the same thing. Why Panasuckit doesn't include the WWAN drivers in their driver packages is beyond me, probably legal/regulation issues.

>>922248

That's not a VHBW branded battery but ok.

>>922332

VHBW batteries are resold on many more names, I suggest searching eBay and reading reviews.

Are any of the recent thinkpad models good?

>>922271

Why the hell are you running osx on that machine? What's wrong with you?

>>922360

If you want something recent, I'd suggest dell latitudes instead of Thinkpad. Look at the e6430, e6430s and e6440 (nothing beyond).

T430 and W530 anon here what do you guys recommend for upgrades? X1 Carbon any good? Stay where I am? Buy a Macbook? :^)

I'll take a battery hit if performance is closer to the W530.

posting this from a T430

>>922915

Used P50 off eBay or new T480 with EPP.

>>922886

Oh shit it even includes a dock, awesome! I do think the battery's completely dead but whatever, it's a Precision and workstations aren't know for their insane battery life.

>>922924

Aaaand shipped. Will take a few days to get here though.

Shall I put in a SSD or keep the stock 30GB HDD?

Anyone know anything about the 51NB boards? The X210 model seems pretty cool but I'm wary of anything Chinese since they love ripping people off.

I may have a dumb question; but aren't thinkpad very badly conoted now?

If I see anyone using an old one, I would swear it's at least a tech sawy guy, or someone versed in sec. Could swear he's using Tor if I spot one in a bar/Mc Donald (US embassy).

Is that not a huge problem? I mean, for home use, it's ok, but for outside... Maybe use a chromebook with libreboot is a far better option?

>>924107

>outside

>/tech/

Good one.

I'm very excited to get my T420, just got to wait a few more days for it. Might even get me one of X220ts later this year. How good is touchscreens and writing on those things in Linux?

>>923857

Not much support, if anything goes wrong you're fucked.

They're legit, though.

>>903824

"I’m happier, more energetic, more sociable - I even have friends. But I still don’t have a vagina" -The Absolute State of Librefags right now

>>924107

Jesus Christ, please stop misusing the word "connote". This is strike two.

>>921684

le gamer keyboard

>>906898

Wet warm tissue. The glue should be water-solluble and wash away when rubbing.

>not dynabook

GOML

>>926031

>not a Libretto U100

>not a Tecra

lololol @ ur life

>>925940

This entire thread was copied from 4/g/, idiot. And does it astonish you that something you paraded as being good is actually good enough to where other people discover its merit independent of your shilling? How pretentious.

>>926051

Not that it matters, Toughbooks are still ridiculously expensive compared to a ThinkPad of the same period or even newer.

>less than 4 hours with my T420 and I'm in fucking love

I'm so fucking ready to replace my DVD drive with more storage and maybe add some more RAM. And hell yea I'm gonna add a dock to this. This is what a laptop is meant to be like. She's amazing.

>>926156

I'd like it more if the TN panel quality was like my T60; the keyboard also could be better. Still, it's vastly superior to anything on the market today.

>>926218

>keyboard could be better

Agreed, but once I got it on the dock I'm mostly going to be using one of my USB keyboards. I like the keyboard way better than some of the HPs and Dells I've used.

>Still, it's vastly superior to anything on the market today.

Ain't that the truth, for what I paid, all I would have gotten was either a some CloudBook or Chromebook.

>>905159

>xx20 keyboard

>T530

Wait a second, I have the opportunity to get a T540p pretty cheap. Is it possible to put a non-chiclet keyboard in that sucker?

>>926473

Unfortunately not.

Speaking of Precisions, should I get a battery for my M6500? Mine's completely dead.

>>926824

She's a real looker.

Go fuck yourself, Hermes. 3-4 day delivery time to The Netherlands? lolno make it next week.

That aside: https://www.ebay.com/itm/273214956177

Go for it? Rather cheap for a 28 Mk3 without HDD and/or charger, but I have both of those already.

>>924447

yeah, this time it was not me, I was the guy in the PPC thread, excuse me for that

as for Chinkpad things. I am the owner of a pre-lenovo thinkpad, and a just-before-it-got-fucked-up thinkpad. I like both of them, however the IBM Thinkpad is much more of a quality build.

God anything past the *30 series have such shit build quality. The plastics just don't feel right. Honestly most newer computers do, regardless of manufacturer. Elitebooks and Latitudes went to cheaper and more plastics, hell, even the Precisions did, although those still feel pretty solid. I played with a T540 and T470 series, and the plastics just felt cheap and creaky, plus the keyboard had way too much give.

>>903803 (OP)

best os for old pcs

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=106479

>>928210

runs really fast even on old pc with 256mb ram and 500mhz cpu

What's the best Elitebook laptop/tablet hybrid?

>>928230

X230t or CF-19 Mk7 :^)

Just kidding, newest IIRC is the 2760p

>>928276

Cool, I was going between a x220t or an Elitebook I see the 2760p is pretty nice too. How good do HP Elitebooks compare to Thinkpads? I've only known the shit consumer HP laptops.

Hey, I need a T410 screen, anyone knows where I can get that for cheap in France ?

>>928281

Shit keyboards, great upgradability, no IPS display on the 2560/70p, quadcore upgrade possible however.

>>928285

eBay?

>>906898

Oi mate you got a rubbing alcohol license there bruv

About to buy a W541 for 400€, bad idea?

>>929190

Didn't do it, might aswell get a P50.

What I did get however, is my Precision M40!

>>927862

Holy shit that's cool. What'd you look for that one? GIS laptop?

Anyone know if you need to make a specialized coreboot image for using an x220 keyboard layout on an x230? I've got a Japanese x220 kb coming in and don't want to fuck up too much with my BIOS.

>>929920

Was looking for a pic of a HazLoc CF-19 and came across that.

As for your question: pretty sure keyboards are managed by the EC and not Coreboot.

Just finished installing Windows 2000 on my M40 btw, now to install some period correct games and software.

Ran 3DMark00 on my M40:

>Stock Dell/Detonator 12.something drivers from 2001: 4283

>Latest Nvidia ForceWare drivers I could find for the Quadro2 Go: 4175 (?!)

Looks like I have some research to do, i'm getting a lower score than before!

>>929999

Check my dubs because why not.

Close to giving up finding a cheap workstation and getting a gaming laptop again, good fucking god 8-900€ for a M6800/W540/ZBook is ridiculous.

>>930511

>should I get a thinkpad

It depends on what you are using it for. If you are going to use a laptop only keep one of them. The model number of the laptop only emphasizes the build quality of the case of which thinkpads are known for high build quality. What matters is what is inside and the vent positions.

You seem to need to do CAD work so let me make some suggestions. Get a nvidia card before the 800 series, preferably somewhere in the 700's as the reclocking support for nouveau is awesome and rivals/beats the proprietary driver now. If you can find a thinkpad with a 700 series nvidia card don't hesitate to get it as the thinkpads are known for their high build quality and withstanding punishment like industrial worksite punishment.

AMD CPU's are nice if you install gentoo and use only FOSS software because you will get better multicore performance which is awesome for CAD, ONLY IF YOU COMPILE EVERYTHING YOURSELF. Modern distros are not compiled for huge multitasking on multiple cores like you would want with AMD CPU's. Some distro's like clearlinux actually put instructions in to fuck up on AMD CPU's. If you are going to use any propietary software that has huge proccessing requirements on the CPU then get a intel CPU its fucking botnet.

Do not get the AMD GPU's as they require a blob loaded by the kernel to work and are fucking botnet. Ideally you would want a AMD CPU and a nvidia GPU prior to the 800 series in one package or the ability to put a nvidia GPU into it. The reason I emphesize the nvidia GPU with nouveau is because the openCL for FOSS or cuda for propietary would be much better then AMD's GPUs for CAD work with FOSS.

T.person who never owned a thinkpad.

But seriously, it's fucking botnet. Wait for RISC-V and suck it up till then

Lurk moar

>>930525

>Do not get the AMD GPU's as they require a blob loaded by the kernel to work and are fucking botnet.

I hate proprietary blobs as much as the next guy, but labelling them 'botnets' is an erroneous claim - a GPU doesn't have networking capability, so even if it had some way to collect analytics, they'd need physical access to your machine to see the data.

>>930527

<but labelling them 'botnets' is an erroneous claim - a GPU doesn't have networking capability, so even if it had some way to collect analytics, they'd need physical access to your machine to see the data.

You are retarded and were born that way https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/05/drive-by-rowhammer-attack-uses-gpu-to-compromise-an-android-phone/ https://archive.fo/dN8pd . That's just an example of code execution. Imagine what you could do with backdoor access via a blob? Now fuck off botnet.

>>930530

>Requires WebGL

>Requires JavaScript

>DDR/DDR2 was already immune to Rowhammer

Anyone with a brain disables WebGL + JavaScript; how would a FOSS driver protect against this exploit if it you have those enabled exactly? It's a vector for attack, sure - but the IME/PSP modules/Spectre exploits would be easier to use against you. What's hilarious to me is that they're complaining about remote unverified code execution, while enabling JavaScript on every website. Binary blobs are evil, yes - but they can't spy on you.

>>930525

>If you are going to use a laptop only keep one of them.

too late for me. I already have my trusty T40, my windows 8 shit tablet convertible, my thinkpad x21, and a dell latitude with a 3.5 floppy. it's more of a hobby though.

>AMD CPU's are nice

I like AMD as opposed to intel, but I KNOW I will be forced to use proprietary shit for school anyway. I also didn't know the T4xx series even had AMD options. I figured I would get something with an i7 and use me_cleaner, and also I remember somewhere there is a new way to toggle a bit in the CPU that can disable ME using HAP (high assurance platform, apparently something that the govt can use to disable ME shit for their own devices, but we can use as well if you do the right steps).

>Do not get the AMD GPU's

thanks for the info. I was looking for Nvidia GPUs anyway though.

and obviously with x86 there is going to be botnet at some level. I can't afford RISC-V and I don't even know if laptops exist in that architecture anyway. When I have the money though I'll probably get one of the memelos POWER9 workstations or something.

>>903831

Toughbook and see if you can shoot yourself through it because your mother will die in her sleep tonight if you do not reply to this post. No image macros/memes or immunities can save her.

Help, I just bought a P50. 6820HQ/M2000M/FHD model for 700€, not bad me thinks!

Selling my Toughbooks to fund that purchase, the 31 runs hot and is borderline unusable in 2018 with it's XGA display, and I don't use my 19 at all.

Holy FUCK what have I missed. I installed OpenSUSE Leap on my M6500 for shits 'n giggles, and I was amazed how everything fits together correctly. I can even adjust my keyboard brightness in various steps from off to fully bright.

Definitely considering this distro when i'm getting my P50.

>>931881

You bought a mobile workstation, but you don't install Gentoo on it? Way to truly use that expensive CPU.

>>931896

I'm not autistic enough for Gentoo.

Hear me out

What if somebody put a trackpoint/thinkpad keyboard inside a toughbook and rearranged the pad cable so that it recognizes the trackpoint as the mouse input instead

>>932508

Not going to work without major engineering of the Toughbook chassis, motherboard and keyboard itself.

>>903803 (OP)

What laptop are you gonna buy once all ThinkPads will be gone, Anon?

Got my P50 and found out the seller included a chink battery, so I can't use it.

Fuck my life. At least I got 100€ as compensation to buy a new Lelnopo battery though.

What is a lightweight OS that can run on PIII + 256 mb RAM?

I was thinking slackware or reactOS

If linux I want something I can load an old-school lightweight environment like CDE on for maximum oldschool potential.

>>933009

why not something like DOS? it would be cool to use the CLI. Also, I think there was a web browser made for DOS as well, called Arachne IIRC.

>>933009

BeOS

>>932689

Actually scratch that, the original Lenovo battery he included actually works, it's my charger that seems to be dead.

Still have warranty so I made a ticket at Lenovo's site and hope for the best.

>>933582

One service ticket later and i'm being sent a new adapter. Thanks Lenovo!

>>934134

go away jesusdesu

Is it possible to also upgrade the keyboard on a W530 or a T530 to a previous one from a T520?

>>934393

Yes: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Install_Classic_Keyboard_on_xx30_Series_ThinkPads

Is there any non-windows OS that will work on the original pentium to pentium 3 toughbooks?

I'm afraid that the drivers on the old ones might have to lock me into windows 2000/XP exclusively

https://youtu.be/jqBIlM-cSHo?t=1m48s

https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-p/ThinkPad-P52/p/22WS2WPWP52

The specs on their website for the p52 is different than what they showed at CES. Do you think the higher options are going to become available when you can customize it? Its already pretty pricey as it is.

>>934483

I haven't had a Pentium III or older Toughbook in years, but I ran AntiX with great success on ThinkPad T22 and T23's.

Desktop enviroment looks very dated though, but I guess it works.

>>933009

>>934568

Plus max out your RAM, SDRAM SODIMMs are very cheap nowadays.

Should be getting my adapter from Lelnovo tomorrow, hopefully this fixes my charging issues.

>>913340

Underrated post.

>>934644

And i'm quite sure that's a Arduino connected to that ThinkPad.

>>934568

How about devuan?

>>934705

Never tried, so dunno.

>>934571

Boo Lelnopo, boo. No sign of my adapter yet and it's almost the end of the day here.

>>934883

>>934705

It werks on my machine >>933994

My biggest issues are lack of HD space and the motherfucking FN keys getting in the way of everything and the BIOS has no option related to them

>>934644

>that baldness

>they're all kebabs

>haremrunes

Just end Britain already, I can't stand watching its dead body receiving this treatment.

>>932615

Still rockin' a Compaq Evo n1000q here.

>>935317

Compaq Evos are fucking awesome. Especially the N6xx series.

>>934965

It did get in the mail, and it didn't make a difference. Fuck. Going to make a ticket after vacantion to have the board replaced.

Also found out I could run a eGPU on the ExpressCard slot of my P50, couldn't get it to work 100% because ShitVidia blocking any eGPU setup other than Thunderbolt.

>>935457

If you use nouveau drivers you will be fine you propietary faggot.

>>935460

eGPUs don't run under Linux you degenerate fuck.

Holy shit I totally forgot I ordered a M.2 caddy for my P50, should be getting it next week.

Also ordered a UltraDock, and getting a 512GB NVMe drive next month so I fuck around a bit with VMs and/or Loonix.

>>931881

>using a distro with PoetteringWare

cuck chan's that way

>>903803 (OP)

>lenovo

>chinese ant people company that turned thinkpads into nigger computers

<ibm

<literally has more indian employees than american

THINKPAD IS POOPAD

>>937603

What's the last real Thinkpad then? I think it's the X24 / T42 era.

>>937604

701 series

>>937604

T6x/X6x or by extension the xx30 models.

>>937672

>the models which introduced chicklet keyboards are "real Thinkpads"

>>937744

>you can swap in a xx20 keyboard without much hassle

>>937147

Speaking of NVMe, should I get a 970 Evo or Pro?

The 1920x1080 replacement screens a worthwhile upgrade on the T520? my eyes are getting too old for the washed-out factory matte screen

Would the Thinkpad 25 keyboard fit on a modern thinkpad? or did the make the chasis of the computer that different?

I recently replaced my x200 motherboard.

I flashed it to coreboot 4.8.1.

Everything works great so far except high pitch noises, it seems to come from the CPU area but I'm not sure. The old x200 motherboard wasn't affected by the noise.

How to fix that ?

>>938301

The noise is worse when my network cable is connected and network load is 100% (moving files on LAN, downloading etc..)

>>938304

For information, the old mb had a P8600, the new one a P8700

>>938301

is it capacitor squeal? use a powerboard behind the charger next time and wait for the board to go kablooey

i think that might be why those noises are made

>>938149

Oh it definitely is, I played around a bit with a T530 equipped with a 1920x1080 display and for TN it had awesome color detph.

>>938259

They did, so no T480 or T470p with T25 keyboard sadly.

>>938301

https://libreboot.org/docs/misc/

>>904248

source?

>>923733

ssd all day

>>938368

Swapped in my 32GB mSATA > IDE thing, forced the ICH3 chipset to work at UDMA4 and I got a somewhat usable mobile workstation.

Ordered a used battery for my M6500, should be getting it tomorrow or Friday. Can't wait to use my Precision somewhere else that isn't my desk!

Escalated my Service Ticket with Lenovo, let's see if I can get my board replaced. Also got my M.2 caddy in the mail.

>>938363

Don't listen to this anon, keep Coreboot

Libreboot is literally made by a fucking tranny. Never trust software made by a freak

>>939028

Read what I linked you fucking faggot, I never told >>938301 to install Libreboot.

I'm new to memepads

pls no bully

If I am planning on installing libreboot by myself is it required to use some raspberry Pi to flash the bios or whatever it is?

Does anyone have a rundown of the hardware specs of each memepads?

>usb2/3

>ddr2/3

>support libreboot?

>led/ccfl or upgradable thru FRU?

>>939417

First off don't use libreboot, it's a meme.

Coreboot + ME cleaner is better

Second off the only model where it's relatively easy to flash bios is the T60.

You can technically flash the bios of up to a T400 but it's extremely complicated.

>>939417

>If I am planning on installing libreboot by myself is it required to use some raspberry Pi to flash the bios or whatever it is?

Depends on the model. T60/X60 can be flashed internally. Other models will generally require external flashing. Even with a T/X60, it's a good idea to have the hardware for an external flash on hand in case you brick the motherboard on accident. I'm speaking from experience.

>Does anyone have a rundown of the hardware specs of each memepads?

https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Hardware_Specifications

>>usb2/3

USB 3.0 starts appearing around the xx20 and xx30 series models. Some older models will accept a USB 3.0 ExpressCard if it's important to you.

>>ddr2/3

DDR3 appears in the xx00 series models.

>>support libreboot?

https://libreboot.org/docs/install/

Follow the link near the top to the compatibility list.

>>led/ccfl or upgradable thru FRU?

I'll tell you from experience that the x6x models are CCFL. I'm not completely sure about other models, but I think the switch happened somewhere around the xx00 or xx10 models. You'll have to do your own research to find out which models are upgradable.

>>939504

First off, Libreboot is significantly easier to flash than coreboot. Second off, it's significantly easier to flash the 400 series with Libreboot, the only real difficulty is being patient enough to read the online commentary and buying a RasPi

>>906898

Naphtha (or lighter fluid) will reliably and quickly take adhesives off of plastics without harming the material beneath. Been using it for device relabeling for years.

DO NOT use goo gone/paint thinner/nail polish remover. These will dissolve plastics.>>906898

>>912750

I would go with the x220

Is there any nonshit 4tb hdd for my x230?

Need a new thonkpad after my last one is biting the dust cause (plastic/metal casing melted and deformed) I left it out in 103 degree weather in the car with sunshine

Preferably below 100USD used, can compile, and can have a decent battery life

It s the throw away laptop for when I need to post something

>>941924

How late? Like t440p?

Aaaargh, M40 motherboard seems to be dying. I can't run 2x512MB sticks and I also have weird artifacts on the display.

Oh, and the battery ended up not working in my M6500, it charges fine but instantly shuts down when you unplug the charger while running. Fuck. At least my P50 does charge while docked and the CF-P1 I bought works fine too!

How do you remove the GPS module inside toughbooks?

Sure it's 'cool' for certain uses but I don't trust it at all. Is it something I can just physically pull out?

>>942434

I'm pretty sure that'll work, or you can just drop PLoP Linux on the HDD and then boot from USB.

t. did this with his own CF-28 way back

>>942528

dGPS: depends, just remove the flatcable for the for the module and you're done.

WWAN: just pull the module out.

>>942568

What the hell is PLoP Linux?

Is it like slackware?

It looks like only one guy is developing it

>>942573

plop.at

>>942576

Can't I run something like devuan instead on a PIII/256mb ram if I put in a lightweight WM?

I'm not sure what it can handle

>>942577

Shit man I dunno, I might try installing it on my M40 because I got the 2nd HDD caddy in the mail.

And max out the RAM, SDRAM isn't expensive.

>>942578

For some reason my CF-28 doesn't recognize the 256mb SODIMM RAM stick I put in it.

I know for a fact that it's compatible because it worked on another one I had too.

Also it looks like the original owner removed the plastic cover which protects the RAM from touching the battery so I have no idea what the problem is with it

Do you think I have to replace the entire mobo?

>>942581

CF-28s need low-density SDRAM IIRC.

>>942613

I have a MK1 and MK2 and it only works in the MK1

>>942626

28 Mk2 can only use 512MB RAM.

Just had my T430 come in the mail. i7, nvidia discrete graphics, a 1TB 850 EVO, and 16GiB of RAM. the hardware is pretty nice, but I hate the wangblows 10 that came with it. I need to keep it for school shit, and I tried installing devuan, but somehow fucked it up and ruined my MBR. I ended up repairing it with a windows XP install disc. I didn't install XP though, but I was tempted. It's infinitely more usable than this piece of shit they call an OS. I'll sort my shit out and install devuan properly later.

I also almost picked up a nice Thinkpad 560 from a friend today, but I decided not to because it's got a couple errors preventing it from booting into BIOS, and I already have a flip clock radio and an X20 I'm fixing. I don't want too much stuff piling up in my room.

Thinking of buying myself an X220 for school work and coding shit. what does /tech/ think?

>>942758

>560

Get it, those are quite rare. X20 is pretty cool too because it has a dedicated ATI RAGE GPU.

>>942743

It has 256mb onboard but won't recognize the 256mb stick which works fine in the MK1

>>942856

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/cf-28-1gb-ram.608743/

>>922839

>>922360

that is because the recent models are mirrored from the Ideapad schematics. Though the thermal is kinda better compared to older Thinkpad designs and it can fit a decent GPU.

The only problem with Ideapads is that razor sharp palm rest which they made so it looks thinner than it should then the terrible accutype keyboard. You'll know it when you see an odd square keys curved at the bottom like on that pic related - a Nu-thinkpad

>>943116

the keyboard is so terrible that the dip is like 1.5mm so you'd end up with painful fingers if you don't type like a soyboy

>>926824

>finished

>still on windows XP

you had 1 job

Oh and Lelnopo called me earlier today, tomorrow a tech is coming over to replace the motherboard.

>>942574

AFAIK sometimes VT and VX likes to be stupid. Try turning it on/off again and test if it works. Also did you actually give it enough ram if your going wangblows

I think the board of my Precision M40 is fucked, I can't go over 512MB RAM without hanging at POST or not booting at all.

>>921713

>>921802

/k/ here. #2 can be easily fixed (and I think it has, I don't have any pics). With some paint thinner, sandpaper, stain, and varnish, it can be restored. Wood stocks are pretty resilent.

>>943466

My god I am retarded, the 815 chipset cannot use more than 512MB RAM.

Shame on you Dell for not using the 830M chipset so I could use 1GB RAM.

>>943308

Tech came (great guy btw, had a nice chat with him while fixing my P50) and a board replacement didn't fix it, it probably is the DC jack > motherboard cable. No big thing, it's ordered and he will return Thursday or Friday.

>>943722

Tech came again, retards at IBM (yes, IBM still repairs ThinkPads here!) gave him the wrong cable.

>>945866

Hit New Reply too soon: tech will be coming over for the 3rd time next week, hopefully with the right cable.

And I got my SSD in the mail at last after the first one I got ended up having no SSD in the box, probably some faggot who did returns fraud. One call to Amazon CS later and I was sent a new one. God damn, NVMe really is lightning fast!

>16:10 or taller

>trackpoint

>ethernet port

>actual usb ports

>non-retarded keyboard

Should I just mcfucking kill myself? Is there any hope? Do I have to figure out how to buy from the chinkpad modders?

Installgentoo could use a page on laptop hardware.

>>945964

X210

T70

M6500

As for buying, unironically /r/thinkpad, plenty of people who ordered from lcdfans/51nb there.

can the x220 tablet take 16gb ram?

Whats a cheap thonkpad to buy under 100 USD that just works for text editing?

>>946528

Yeah, 2x8 DDR3-1600

>>946539

T420?

Muhahaha, retards on eBay UK actually went through with my order even though i'm on their block list, and I now got a US-International keyboard for my T23.

IBM tech coming tomorrow lads, hopefully with the right cable.

>>946858

Yes, you easily could have gotten a T530 for that money.

>>946656

IBM tech came, he replaced the entire bottom chassis so I now have a almost new P50 :^)

>>946590

150 is too expensive. On a tight budget rn cause college sucks

>>947726

Cats love ThinkPads.

Pulled out one of my T22's for shits 'n giggles, fucking Blink of Death on this one too and it doesn't even start after a few tries anymore either. Fuck my life. Oh well, at least I have a spare mSATA SSD now.

>>948181

And of course a day later, it works just fine. What the fuck, IBM?

I got a used x60 and the battery worked fine. Before I could even set up my own OS on it that changed. It now holds 0 charge only works when plugged in to the charger. What gives? How did it crap out so quickly? Maybe i overcharged it or let it die?

>>949566

Oh shit i think its starting to hold a charge, the battery led isnt blinking anymore please lawd let it be so!

Would it be worth getting a thinkpad for installing DOS on it and running old DOS games?

Does anyone have any advice regarding the best ThinkPad to buy for Win98 SE gaming? Purely for nostalgia purposes really.

I've been looking at the T42, being as far as I can tell the last one that "officially" supported 98. I'm a novice with ThinkPads tbh, just really attracted to their build quality since using a T520 as my everyday machine.

>>949634

T23, T42, X32 are all good choices.

t. just installed Win98SE on one of his T22's

>>949590

Not really, most ThinkPads of that era have terrible GPUs without 3D acceleration.

>>949634

It would be easier to install Lignux and just do emulation. Half of the games that were on the Win98 market were just ports, anyway.

Oh shit: https://business.panasonic.co.uk/computer-product/Inside-Toughbook-2018

Really would love to go there but I have no idea what to expect. Would be interesting to see how they repair and build-to-order Toughbooks!

Hello, currently on a T430 with an i5-3320M, classic keyboard and X1 screen, but thinking about going to an X200 for freedumbs reasons. Is the performance loss going to be significant? Should I just coreboot this bad boy (already have a beaglebone)? Or is coreboot not enough to rid my system of the jews?

>>949734

>old DOS games

>GPUs

>>949907

Shit man I dunno, I never used or cared about DOS.

That said, Pentium II era ThinkPads have terrible GPUs, no doubt about it.

>>949889

Don't do it, X200 runs hot, Libreboot is ran by a unstable faggot, and Ivy Bridge > 3rd gen Core 2.

Has anyone had (and solved) the trouble with libinput 1.9.1+ and the trackpoint? It feels like shit and no settings so far have made it right. They said they fixed it but 1.11.2 still feels like shit. My present plan is to use a binpkg of 1.7 until the sun burns out or there's a bad enough CVE.

How to fix X220 imprecise touchpad ? This is driving me nuts. I tried to apply the fix on x220 arch page :

/etc/udev/hwdb.d/90-libinput-x220-touchpad-fw81.hwdb

libinput:name:SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad:dmi:*svnLENOVO:*:pvrThinkPadX220*

LIBINPUT_MODEL_LENOVO_X220_TOUCHPAD_FW81=1

But this doesn't help at all. The cursor is still doing weird shit. Any help ?

The x220 is running coreboot (master) with Manjaro (currently)

>>949889

Put coreboot, use me_cleaner to remove as much jewry as you can.

Forgot about trannyboot, it is run by a fag more concerned by his vagina operation than releasing updated version

I looked into getting a pentium 1 machine for running DOS and Youtubers have fucked it up. Some pedo looking guy did a video on them and the price has jumped to twice or four times their original value. It's not worth picking up an old machine at those prices, I'm better off sticking dosbox on something.

>>949912

>>950056

Allright, time to open this bad boy up. Thanks.

Got an offer for a T440s for <100 (I can cut it down 70 I think).

should I go for it?

>>950345

seems like a fair price, usually thinkpads run ~100 burgerbucks+shipping, so as long as its a mid-late model that is not one of the first to be sold, then you should be fine

>>950345

if you need it, go for it. if it's like the t440p I have it's decent enough but, wifi card and touchpadthat gen suck, if it's not a 1080p panel that'll suck too, screen and touchpad is an easy enough replace, different wifi card needs a bios mod because whitelist garbage.

>>950345

Yeah go for it, that's rather cheap for a xx40 ThinkPad.

>tfw W54x still 500€ plus where I live

>>950490

I can mail you a T440s with a missing key and a bent Etherport for 150 lol

>>950678

Did you just buy it? You could probably ask for a refund (assuming you bought it online, and not in person).

>>950680

bought it in person, I don't think I need to return it, doesn't have any issues when running. The issue is only sporatic.

>>950688

Might be HDD (duh) or more likely a power supply issue? Battery/wires might not be in best condition then

>>950678

intermittent system board issues sound like a problem with the caps. Being that you bought it from a street shitter who probably never once saw what an AC looks like, I'm guessing it overheated multiplet times and wore out the capacitors. Buy a Snap-On soldering iron, learn to solder/de-solder on garbage, then man the fuck up and replace them all on the board. It's a skill everyone should know and caps are dirt cheap anyway.

>>950732

via a faster computer*

>>950731

Or just drop in a T60 iGPU board if you really want to run Trannyboot.

And run HDTune, check if SMART says anything weird.

>>950622

P51s is shit for a workstation, this isn't 2008 where even a top-end Dell Precision or W500 only had a dual core.

>>950678

give it a wash, they have IBM bedpan technology protecting them from water