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It seems free and open source software is dominated by liberals who won't tolerate conservative viewpoints. For example Leah Rowe and libreboot, Richard Stallman and (are examples even needed with him?), FreeBSD and plenty others with their code of conducts, and even some OpenBSD devs (https://twitter.com/phessler ; https://twitter.com/henningbrauer). Is the end product more important than the creator of it?
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>>891895 (OP)
>are examples even needed with him?
Yes, actually. Stallman is a free speech absolutist.
Or is your entire problem that people have opinions you don't like, regardless of their actions?
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>>891895 (OP)
>end product
In a sense it is, but I would say if you absolutely don't need it, why support them? If you have the skill or the talent, make your own solution and to hell with those intolerant jerks.
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>>891898
Shut the fuck up.
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>>891898
I agree with him on free speech; I'm talking about his pro Bernie nonsense.
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>>891902
So, just to clarify - your problem is just the opinions he has? Not his actions with regards to software?
Codes of conduct have practical consequences. I understand being worried about those. But being upset about someone supporting the wrong candidate sounds stupid as fuck.
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>>>>891907
I guess Richard Stallman is a bad example, since he doesn't create anything anymore. I still think it is reasonable to not want to support others because of their opinions when their opinions are against you. Why tolerate them when they won't tolerate you?
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>>891910
Because their opinions ought to be no consequence to you.
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>>891910
Stallman used to create things, probably including things you use, so I think he's relevant - but for the sake of argument, let's pretend he's still creating things, so we can get to a general principle.
What do you mean when you say Stallman won't tolerate you? Do you mean that he thinks your opinions are bad?
He supports your right to have and express them.
Do you just refuse to associate with anyone who commits wrongthink?
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>>891919
Shut up. Their opinions hold a greater influence than that of Joe Schmo. Not using their products is one way to reduce the damage by their negative influence.
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>>891920
Stallman benefits from proprietary software, yet he won't tolerate my use of proprietary software.
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>>891895 (OP)
>Is the end product more important than the creator of it?
Who cares what the creator thinks as long as it doesn't affect the product or my usage of it.
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>>891901
>>891921
>telling people you disagree with to shut up
Why?
>>891923
He thinks you shouldn't use proprietary software because it's bad for you. He won't do anything to involuntarily prevent you from using proprietary software.
Compare it to smoking. Is anyone who thinks smoking is bad for you intolerant of smokers?
▶ No.891930
>>891928
inb4 coc and their mysterious powers
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>>891898
Free speech my ass. Stallman literally made a plane taxi off the runway and back to the gate so he could get off because he couldn't handle an argument with some OpenBSD devs.
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>>891931
Stallman literally destroyed a NASA rocket because it refused to take up samples of his toe jam for his experiement.
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>>891925
Industrial society runs on proprietary software. Stallman benefits from industrial society. Stallman benefits from proprietary software
Eat logic.
>>891929
>Why?
I am tired of hearing the nonsense from cowards who are afraid of thinking critically about their own choices, how they are damaging to themselves, and how damaging themselves is damaging society as a whole. That's why I tell these people to shut up. Freedom of Speech doesn't mean say whatever pops into your head.
>proprietary software bad
No it's not. These businesses spend good money to make good products so that consumers will buy them. If they made bad products, consumers would not buy them and would move on to competitors. You aren't thinking critically, and you aren't thinking for yourself.
>analogy
This isn't about analogies. This is about the facts of the argument.
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>>891928
The creator doesn't have to make his every damned opinion known either. Fuck him and fuck his product if he does otherwise.
▶ No.891935
>>891920
I wouldn't say wrongthink, but I do refuse association based on opinions I find harmful. That is part of free speech, I can accept their opinions, and they can accept my refusal to use their software. Why would I want to support those I disagree with? By doing so it gives them a larger platform to spread ideas I disagree with.
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>>891937
care to provide an arguement?
▶ No.891939>>891941 >>892831 >>896017
>it's another /pol/nigger refugee makes a retarded thread episode
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>>891939
I don't and never have used /pol/
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>>891938
Men in industrial society beat their wives. Stallman benefits from industrial society. Stallman benefits from beaten wives.
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>>891931
While that's autistic as hell I don't see how it relates to free speech. Freedom of speech doesn't require any particular individuals to listen. That doesn't mean that what Stallman did is right, just that it didn't violate anyone's free speech.
>>891933
>>Why?
>I am tired of hearing the nonsense from cowards who are afraid of thinking critically about their own choices, how they are damaging to themselves, and how damaging themselves is damaging society as a whole. That's why I tell these people to shut up. Freedom of Speech doesn't mean say whatever pops into your head.
I mean, what's the point of doing that? It only makes it look like you're unable to come up with a counter-argument. Even if you want people to shut up it's a bad move.
I do think freedom of speech gives people the right to say whatever pops into their head, though.
>>proprietary software bad
>No it's not.
That's irrelevant, because I never said it was. I only said that Stallman thinks proprietary software is bad for you, which is (hopefully) not controversial.
>>analogy
>This isn't about analogies. This is about the facts of the argument.
Okay, here's the fully digital version.
The reason Richard Stallman believes you shouldn't use proprietary software is that he believes proprietary software is bad for you. He does not think you are a bad person for using proprietary software, but he does think that you are worse off using proprietary software. When he tells you to stop using proprietary software he does it out of concern for your well-being. He sees users of proprietary software as victims, not as enemies.
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>>891942
Richard Stallman is fine with using somebody elses' phone to make a call, and then he will gladly tell everyone how they should not being using phones.
▶ No.891946
>>891945
Richard Stallman does benefit from proprietary software. I think he doesn't think it's wrong to benefit from proprietary software.
Proprietary software is bad because it's harmful. Actions that don't cause additional harm aren't bad.
You get that weird twist because Stallman is mostly a consequentialist, but applies it inconsistently when it comes to software.
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>>891895 (OP)
Stallman's political opinions don't matter one bit because he promotes genuinely free software. When the fourth Reich gasses the Kikes for real, the super-efficient fully automated ultra high temperature ovens will be controlled by GNU software running on RISC-V processors. There is nothing he can do to stop it.
The solution to SJW infiltration of free software projects is to avoid working directly for such organizations, and create Aryan forks where necessary.
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>>891944
>I do think freedom of speech gives people the right to say whatever pops into their head, though.
"It's better to appear a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain
Way to twist my words. Where did I say "right" ever in any sentence?
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>>891954
I can rephrase it not to use the word "right", if you insist. It won't mean something different.
I think freedom of speech covers saying whatever pops into your head. It covers speech. Poorly considered speech is speech.
▶ No.891961>>894302
>>891958
That's not what I am talking about at all. Conflate arguments with noise elsewhere.
▶ No.891965
>>891934
>The creator doesn't have to make his every damned opinion known either
Nobody is going to permanently stop posting their opinions on the internet just to avoid triggering some glass willed queers such as yourself on social media.
It's different if you're paying for the product, but OP is talking about FOSS, and the author gets absolutely nothing from you using it.
▶ No.891983>>892013
>>891919
When their "opinions" start influencing their products it becomes a major issue. See Google and Mozilla.
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>>891933
american socialist republic faggots fuck off
▶ No.891995
Stop complaining and start coding faggot
▶ No.891997
>>891895 (OP)
Mainly bloated software. You'll a lot more extremes in the minimalist circles. Obviously, since they're not weak enough to stand bloated shit.
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>>891991
>offended faggot
Fuck you.
▶ No.892010>>892833
Yeah, proprietary software vendors like google are totally accepting of conservatives, like when that one spoke about diversity, ==OH WAIT THEY WERENT==
Go back to sucking google cock, /pol/.
▶ No.892011>>893166
>>891907
He didn't even support that candidate, but one most Americans probably never heard of, but I would not expect /pol/ to have a grasp on reality.
▶ No.892013
>>891983
Corporations don't have opinions except wanting to increase their power and wealth. They are presenting themselves now as supporters of SJWs because they believe that to aid their goal, while corporations in the Third Reich made a point publicly of how Aryan they are. But because that would fit your particular brand of identity politics you would not complain. You are a hypocrite AND a retard and should stick to /pol/
▶ No.892016
Stallman tolerates conservatism
▶ No.892018
>>891895 (OP)
>product
What a disgusting way of thinking tbh
▶ No.892031
Stallman tolerates a lot what are you talking about? Didn't someone email him about sometype of white man/aryan/heterosexual only license and he responded that while he didn't like it the license itself was fine.
▶ No.892042>>892124
Your examples for openbsd are peter hessler and henning brauer? Jesus fuck anon, just because they aren't braindead poltards like you doesn't mean they are "liberals".
Oh I get it your post was made when it was still april first.
▶ No.892048
rms is the rare kind of commie I don't have a problem with. He's pretty chill. He doesn't agree with you but, so long as it isn't related to software freedom, he won't give you shit, he won't try to get you fired and won't try to dox you. Sad times when an autist is better socially than other people.
▶ No.892061>>893553
How about instead of focusing on who disagrees with whom you actually work on and contribute to projects, you whiny little baby?
▶ No.892065>>892066 >>895567
Worth mentioning that there is a HUGE difference between the like of RMS and Leah Rowe. RMS at least has the sense to keep his bullshit politics separate from his Free Software evangelism. Rowe and the like prefer to use their political ideals as a criterion for who gets to be in the Free Software movement. See shit like the FreeBSD CoC.
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>>892065
Or, rather, they would LIKE to use their politics as the criterion*
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>>891895 (OP)
> Is the end product more important than the creator of it?
Yes and no.
I, for one, do not want to be the monster sitting on a high horse pontificating to everyone about how moral its atrocities are.
Then again, I don't know on what day Firefox is going to phone home and lock up what I type nigger or kike into a form on a web page.
I would like to let people have their own stupid, poisonous beliefs, however when one of those beliefs is that I should silenced and ghettoized, it is difficult to maintain that stance. Especially as the group that espouses such beliefs continues to increase in political power which would allow them to institute their beliefs.
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>>891949
I like where this is going. We should fork something like MINIX3 and CDE and make the ultimate comfy OS. A secure and easy to use microkernel that's small enough to easily audit, and a pleasant Motif based desktop and applications. This whole OS would be super easy to port to something like RISC-V when hardware becomes more widely available.
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>>891923
He has no problem with you using proprietary software. He has a problem with the proprietary sofrware vendor who subjects you to its abuses.
He's careful not to blame the victim (you) for the wrongs of the perpetrator (the proprietary software vendor). He's friends with plenty of people who use proprietary software.
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>>892042
> not liberal
> "he/them" in bio
hmmm
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>>892124
Oh I see, you just searched for he/them and declared them liberal(ignoring the fact that liberal literally has no meaning in its current state). GTFO with that shit. You are ignoring the fact that both of them have contributed loads of useful software and documentation, infinitely more then (You) in fact. This is in stark contrast to the degenerates who brought about the cuck of conduct on cuckbsd who have also contributed nothing.
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>>892124
>not being a gender abolitionist
Excuse me, this is a transhumanist board
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>>892195
I'm not ignoring that? I'm pointing out what is obvious to all except you. Also, learn the difference between then and than.
▶ No.892380>>892398
Congratulations, you've come to the realization that "conservatism" doesn't have room in its ideology for software freedom.
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>>892380
I'm gonna give you a hint: once upon a time, a Hard Drive was also called a Winchester. You should google it and discover why.
OP is quite naive and certainly young for thinking that free software is a liberal-only place. It is unfortunate that where leftists are present, they create leftist holdouts and try to kick everyone else out. There is a reason why creative professions are dying. That's why.
But you are worse, fellow anon, for you know as much about conservatism as I know about makeup.
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>>892376
Sorry I had just woken up and was in shill mode. I still disagree with your assessment however, as none of their posts on the mailing lists reflect a single thing you claim that they stand for. Your assessment was based on quick knowledge you gleamed from some sort of personal social media and does not reflect what they stand for in the project in the slightest. You are just as bad as the so called liberals are for trying to bring politics into a technical project.
>then and than
I noticed that immediately after posting and had intended to point it out but couldn't be bothered.
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>>891949
>he thinks there is going to be a fourth reich
>he thinks his autistic screeching self and his fellow band of retards are 1/10000'th of what the nazi's were
>he thinks he won't get put into a mental institution
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>>892010
>Not knowing 8chan is /pol/ the imageboard
>>>/leftypol/
Also, proprietary software is jewish.
▶ No.892837
The more I visit this board the more I can't tolerate /pol/ either. They may have a point.
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>>892398
>once upon a time, a Hard Drive was also called a Winchester.
Just like how conservatives often doth protest how much they hate immigrants while simultaneously being the biggest employers of immigrants. Talk is cheap. Conservatism is a mishmash of haphazardly related ideas but it is ultimately all about being a corporate cuck. It is the ideology of shameless apologism for private property and the ability for capitalists to commodify and "own" absolutely anything in order to make a buck off it, including an idea, including a piece of software. Any ideology that props up the system of private property, the patents, and copyrights, the "intellectual property", whether it's conservatism or liberalism, is no friend to the free software movement.
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>>892838
>He's ours now
You're giving yourself way too much credit /leftypol/. It's been known for years Stallman is a Jewish Socialist.
>>892841
>whether it's conservatism or liberalism, is no friend to the free software movement.
So we can all at least agree BSD licenses are superior to the GPL
▶ No.892846
>>892844
He doesn't read Marx though so he can't be a actual socialist. He's still a green party memeber in my eyes.
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>>892844
RMS is an Atheist you mongoloid
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>>892858
All he cares about is feels then he cares about ethnicity then somewhere down the line he cares about religion.
First he calls people he does not like Jewish then he calls people that are akinazi Jewish when he may or may not call a Jew one depending on whether he likes him or not.
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>>892858
"Impeach God" is a very jewish way of being an atheist
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>>892858
At least, that is the general consenses that I came to after dealing with these types of people. Take it with a grain of salt.
▶ No.892878>>892882 >>892889
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZxmSotoyjc
Here is Richard Stallman being interviewed on InfoWars and getting along surprisingly amiably. The fact that you even care about Stallman's partisan leanings beyond the FSF under the pretense of not tolerating "conservative viewpoints" just shows us how much of an unyielding partisan you are that you would try and perpetuate an agenda. Believe it or not, there are people on both sides who sincerely care about abstracts constructs like justice and compassion and other aspects of the human endeavour--who aren't just egotistical twats eager to antagonize anyone on the pretense of anything just sate some sad deficiency in their ego. Maybe Stallman came on to InfoWars because their superficial partisan leanings are just that: superficial tools for a bigger, mutual endeavor.
Or maybe I'm just yet another brainwashed [insert party here] spewing nonsense to prove a point to a discussion I don't really care about. I'll let you decide.
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>>892878
Hell even I would go on to shitpost on infowars and I'm basically a an-commie.
▶ No.892886
>>892858
He's an ethnic Jew. His mother is Jewish
>hurr Judaism is just a religion
It's an identity. Not even making this shit up. "Jewish Atheism" is a thing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism
You sincerely thought all this fucking time /pol/ was bitching about a religion? You have brain problems? Judaism is a lot deeper than that
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>>892870
>>892868
Aah, I see you just came to 8chan after seeing Pewdiepie namedrop us. Fucking cancer
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>>892888
Been here for five years cunt.
Nice projection.
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>>892893
>Goon-tier MSPaint memes
No you haven't
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>>892893
>5 years
I know you're a blatant liar because 8chan wasn't founded until October of 2013 so you couldn't have been here for 5 years
/leftypol/, newfag, blatant liar, all seems to check out
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>>892894
They are picked up from this website.
▶ No.892897
>>892896
You were just called out, get out you stupid newfag
▶ No.892898
>>892896
>lying about not being a newfag
>He thinks Goblin memes are from 8chan
>Being this big of a faggot
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>>892893
>Been here for five years cunt.
Jesus fucking Christ
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>>892896
>>892893
/leftypol/ didn't even exist when 8chan was still founded anyways. /leftypol/ wasn't a thing until like 2016
Jesus this guy is pathetic
▶ No.892902>>892905 >>892906
>>892895
2018-2013 five years
Round up
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>>892895
>>892893
hahaha what a faggot
▶ No.892905
>>892902
You're reaching pretty fucking far if you want us to think you were rounding up 6 fucking months
You were called out, you're a faggot newfag, get over it.
▶ No.892906
>>892902
Your posts just scream oldfag. Somehow I doubt you were here before the exodus. Let alone before this website existed
▶ No.892907>>892908 >>892909
>>892901
>implying one needs to be from leftypol to post on this site
>>892900
>goblin meme
Truly the newfag
Whatever, I'm out. See you kids again with that bait.
▶ No.892908>>892911
>>892907
>Retard so mad he got called out he replied to the wrong poster
>I was just baiting guys
its time to stop posting
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>>892907
/leftypol/ is where most newfags come from though
▶ No.892911>>892912
>>892908
See >>892893
<nice projection
See the (you)s
Life is sweet.
▶ No.892912>>892917
>>892911
>I'll just act retarded on purpose that'll show them!
▶ No.892914>>892918 >>896044
>>892909
No that would be /pol/.
▶ No.892917>>905215
>>892912
These inane posts actually increase the pph on this board pretty good publicity.
It's not like stallman actually reads this crap anyways.
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>>892909
>>892914
More new people come from /pol/ because it's larger and less isolated from the rest of the site. The average unadjusted /leftypol/ immigrant is probably a worse fit than the average unadjusted /pol/ immigrant because /pol/ is less isolated from the rest of the site, but I notice a lot more /pol/ immigrants than /leftypol/ immigrants.
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>>892918
They are both terrible, especially /leftypol/ recently. Most of them are just retarded tankies and rad libs larping as tankies.
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>>892918
Tien /pol/ is just zionists supporting Zionist supporting trump.
Must be why they split?
▶ No.893075>>893139
>the guy that invented the computer turns out to be a leftist
Oops I shouldn't have used a computer I'm indirectly supporting communism :)
▶ No.893126
>>892918
i wish pol would fuck off because no one wants them but they self insert fucking everywhere like fucking furgags.
▶ No.893128
>>891895 (OP)
>Richard Stallman and (are examples even needed with him?)
yes, they are needed.
▶ No.893139
>>893075
God was a leftist? You'll need some proof to back that up.
▶ No.893141
>>891895 (OP)
The libreboot drama wasn't received well with the other developers, hard to say one crazy dev is representative. Also there are loads of libertarians advocating free and open source software, I don't really you your point.
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>>892011
RMS supported Boynie until he cucked out and went with Her. Then he switched to supporting the Green Party.
▶ No.893196>>893322 >>893324
The man who invented the modern digital computer was quite literally /pol/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z4_(computer)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Zuse
Even the first general purpose programming language
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plankalk%C3%BCl
/LEFTYPOL/ BTFO
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▶ No.893322
>>893196
Install Alan Turing
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>>893196
>german guy
>must be /pol/
heh
▶ No.893329>>893330
>>893324
>Literal Nazi
>Not /pol/
▶ No.893330>>893331
>>893329
>literal nazi
>never joined the nazi party
▶ No.893331>>893339
>>893330
>Lived in Nazi Germany
>Funded by the Reich
>Clearly sympathized with the regime
>Not a Nazi
▶ No.893335>>893336
>/pol/niggers grasping at straws and being the kangz of "white" people
le
▶ No.893336
>>893335
>Grasping at straws
>Says the guy who claims Konrad wasn't a Nazi
lmao
▶ No.893339
>>893331
<Clearly sympathized with the regime
Care to elaborate?
▶ No.893341>>893343
>dominated by liberals who won't tolerate conservative viewpoints. For example Richard Stallman
>but I do refuse association based on opinions I find harmful
so who's the one who can't tolerate other viewpoints? my god you are a fucking child
▶ No.893343
There's no way to know if Zuse was a nazi sympathizer. A non-sympathizer would likely have cooperated with the nazis anyway to get funding, and a sympathizer would deny sympathizing later for obvious reasons. There's simply no way to tell with the information we have.
>>893341
He doesn't mind when people can't tolerate other viewpoints, he minds when people can't tolerate his viewpoints. The important thing here is conservatism, not some silly symmetrical thing that applies to everyone equally.
▶ No.893553
>>892124
>liberals are trannies
commies are trannies you twit
liberals are fascist one day, socialist the next
>>892061
because /tech/ fills my rageboner
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▶ No.894259>>894261 >>894413
>It seems free and open source software is dominated by liberals who won't tolerate conservative viewpoints.
It really isn't. At least not dominated by people who matter. Eric Raymond is a libertarian loon. I'm sure Linus Torvalds is a liberal, but he has a low threshold for bullshit. Richard Stallman is an autistic Bernie voter who eats too jam and meat. Lennart Poettering is the closest fit to intolerant liberal whose contributions are arguably worth something, but he's such a raging cunt he will never be one of the cool kids. The greatest contributers are just too damaged to fit into the mainstream.
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>>894259
ESR is /pol/-worthy, so you know it is good. Otherwise you get RMS.
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>>894261
ESR is one of the fags who coined "open source", so, an actual faggot.
▶ No.894281
>>894262
ESR believes that Saddam had WMDs, so his opinion is always invalid
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>>891932
>>891931
Stallman literally threw a baby against the wall because he couldn't stand the noise it was making during a convention.
▶ No.894302
>>891901
>Shut the fuck up.
>>891938
>care to provide an arguement?
this is laughable
>Compare it to smoking. Is anyone who thinks smoking is bad for you intolerant of smokers?
Yes, lots of people are intolerant of smokers, that's why there are laws and rules baring smoking in certain places.
>>891898
>Yes, actually. Stallman is a free speech absolutist.
>Or is your entire problem that people have opinions you don't like, regardless of their actions?
>>891933
>I am tired of hearing the nonsense from cowards who are afraid of thinking critically about their own choices, how they are damaging to themselves, and how damaging themselves is damaging society as a whole. That's why I tell these people to shut up. Freedom of Speech doesn't mean say whatever pops into your head.
>cowards
where is your head
>>891944
>I mean, what's the point of doing that? It only makes it look like you're unable to come up with a counter-argument. Even if you want people to shut up it's a bad move.
>I do think freedom of speech gives people the right to say whatever pops into their head, though.
spot on
>>891954
>>891961
you're acting the fool and you should consider not speaking
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>>894298
Stallman threw a live grenade in a Microsoft convention because he couldn't stand the EULAs they were writing in that convention.
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>>894306
Stallman said jews did 9/11 at his synagogue
▶ No.894413>>894500
>>891991
i'm not offended, your "logic" you want us to "eat" is just retarded as fuck. nobody owes anything to proprietary software, it was already made fully sure that we paid it off by the owners (for example through purchase price, and royalties). saying we stand on their shoulders because we used their software at some point is retarded as well
>>894255
yes, _please_ go there. /tech/ was never a hangout for polniggers.
>>894259
everything created by pottering is complete trash. at least RMS's crap has some value
>XDD lolbertarian XDDDDD subscribe to my subreddit
the internet is libertarian. deal with it. if it wasn't, it would basically be like this:
>look at the lolbertarian, he thinks he can just make a blog without going to the local court and getting a permit for opening a blog then buying a blog from a local blog provider service
>look at the lolbertarian, he thinks he can download pictures of a 17 year old girl, jokes on you, that was made illegal last year
>look at the lolbertarian, he thinks he can post a picture on the internet without researching for 3 hours to make sure it has a compatible copyright
>look at the lolbertarian, he thinks he can use the N-word on the internet? Free speech has limits!
>look at the lolbertarian, he thinks he can cheat in video games, Free speech has limits! Muh economy!
>look at the lolbertarian, he thinks he can just sell stuff and not go through tax forms
oh wait, i just largely described the internet together with modern society
▶ No.894486
>>891932
>>894298
Those never happened, but this did.
> The flight Stallman was removed from was a UA flight from Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD) to New Orleans. I was on said flight and didn't see/hear all of the exchanges, but saw the highlights. It's the only time I've ever seen someone physically removed from a plane before. But it's a great illustration of his judgment, thinking that he could pick a fight with an airline's flight crew while you're on their plane and have the story end well. Sad part was that USENIX got stuck figuring out how to get him down there.
https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20080411000947
▶ No.894492
Liberals like new stuff. They also make a lot of broken shit then abandon it.
Conservatives don't like new stuff and they want maintained working shit.
Guess who would go work for free making new shit while surrounded by broken abandoned projects?
▶ No.894500
>>894413
>everything created by pottering is complete trash
That's why I used the adverb "arguably".
▶ No.894501>>894505
> Is the end product more important then the creator.
Yes, and that's the beauty of capitalism. I hate Stallman as much as anybody, but I still use many GNU tools, and his leftism doesn't affect me in any way.
Linus still seems reasonable though.
▶ No.894505>>894548
>>894501
>hating someone who fights for your freedom
▶ No.894548>>894556 >>897541
>>894505
I work for a company that produces proprietary software, so he's not fighting for my freedom, quite the opposite.
In any case, the only freedoms worth pursuing are negative. Here's a crash course, in case you don't know what I'm talking about: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative/
The freedom to see and modify someone else's code is a form of positive liberty (like the freedom to kill someone). The freedom to produce software without being forced to publish the source code is a form of negative freedom (like the freedom from being killed).
▶ No.894556>>894560 >>895146
>>894548
Stop developing proprietary software, it's bad for the community and society as a whole.
▶ No.894560>>894704 >>894727 >>894733
>>894556
What community? What are you talking about? And what do you expect me to do, starve to death?
If you want to have a debate on negative vs positive liberty, I'm perfectly willing to have it, but you must state so explicitly.
▶ No.894704>>894706
>>894560
>Parable of the broken window: The Post
▶ No.894706
>>894704
>let's all suck dicks
the post
▶ No.894727>>895140
>>894560
Stop the anal acrobatics and simply get a job that doesn't hurt society.
▶ No.894733
>>894560
I like you better than Stallman.
▶ No.895103
>>891902
I thought your point was that they didn't tolerate other viewpoints.
▶ No.895136>>896066
>>891931
He didn't prohibit other people from expressing their point of view, he merely refused to hear them, which is his right. Why can aut-rightists not understand the difference between freedom of speech and forcing your propaganda unto everyone?
▶ No.895140
>>894727
The current economic system hurts society. You're 300 years too late.
▶ No.895146
>>894556
Pay my bills and I'll stop writing proprietary software fam
▶ No.895186>>895244
it might look left wing
but underneath it's probably corporate
but then it was corporate seeded with government money
so maybe it is all just (((rootless European style socialism)))
▶ No.895188
the wolves have to pretend to be sheep brah or people would start asking questions like 'wtf are you doing here ?'
▶ No.895244
>>895186
Gosh darn European style socialists!
▶ No.895406>>895560
Can i get a free (You), please?
▶ No.895559>>895583
reminder that most of "social justice" is recently made-up bullshit that schools and employers are forcing on people
▶ No.895560>>895646
▶ No.895567
>>892065
I'm glad Leah stepped down as overlord of Libreboot. I actually called the formal apology soon after the meltdown.
Whatever happened to LibreCore? Is that still being developed?
▶ No.895574
I used to know quite a few libertarian people making free software atleast for shit I was doing. Leftist get gravitated to free software like flies to shit. Then leave a bunch of turds everywhere they go.
▶ No.895583
>>895559
The term 'social justice' existed before occupy wall street. I've been using it for decades to describe the political and social movement of free software for the users of computers.
▶ No.895586>>895647
dumb burger meme politics
▶ No.895646
▶ No.895647
>>895586
>just ignore it everything will be fine
Typical cuck politics.
▶ No.896017
▶ No.896039
>>891942
There's literally nothing wrong with beating wives when they deserve it.
▶ No.896044
▶ No.896046
>>894355
all jews proudly say that when there's no goyim around to listen
▶ No.896066>>896103
>>895136
No, what he did was throw a temper-tantrum. If he didn't want to argue with them, he could have just simply said "discussion about this matter is over for today" and refuse to talk any more about the subject, then put on headphones and load a file in emacs or something. What he did instead is impose his will on the entire plane.
▶ No.896069>>896115
It's the jewish sjw communists, don't you agree?
▶ No.896103
>>896066
Ok, I didn't read "plane" and thought it was in a taxi. Lmao based Stallman.
▶ No.896115>>896223
>>896069
Dude, just fuck off. I think you have to know at this point that you don't belong. This isn't cuckchan, you're sticking out like a sore thumb. I can list all the threads you've posted in, and it's fucking pathetic.
▶ No.896223
>>896115
Isn't it the base topic ITT, or, this board?
It's the jews man, fucking commies!
Don't tell me you don't agree!
▶ No.896544
Stallman is a globalist bolshevik kike
▶ No.897326>>897375
>>892838
RMS has been a commie for ages nufag.
▶ No.897375>>897490
>>897326
>lying on the internet
▶ No.897490>>897528
>>897375
On the one hand, he often invokes Stalin as a horrible person the way many people invoke Hitler, and I've seen him refuse to sign a macbook because it had a "communist party" sticker.
On the other hand, he founded an "Emacs commune" and wrote a "GNU manifesto".
▶ No.897528>>897648
>>897490
Nigger. There are so many things called the "x manifesto" even before the communist manifesto was written. Stop being a dumb fuck for once.
▶ No.897541
>>894548
>The freedom to produce software without being forced to publish the source code is a form of negative freedom
At least read that shit you just linked before became too smug for nothing.
▶ No.897549>>897639
>>892838
>I think some of his ideas are valid
>He's ours
Those are some pretty lax requirements. I think Marx makes proper use of punctuation. Where's my communist party card?
▶ No.897639
>>897549
Someone should follow-up to that email and ask him which ideas of Marx's he likes.
▶ No.897648>>897664 >>897675
>>891920
>Stallman used to create things
>so I think he's relevant
Your tenses are mixed up. Stallman used to create things, so he used to be relevant. Stallman no longer creates things, so he is -- ------ relevant. I leave filling in the blank as an exercise for the reader.
>>897528
And the word (and concept of the) commune predates Karl Marx by about 700 years. The guy you replied to is, indeed, a moron.
Stallman is a commie, though.
▶ No.897652>>897653
Let's be honest, if Stallman showed up for the first time today he'd be called a leftie kook faggot too. Maybe it's time you dyed your hair at least a shade of red and started looking to the future.
▶ No.897653>>897657
>>897652
>he'd be called a leftie kook faggot too
Only by irrelevant /pol/tards.
▶ No.897657
>>897653
/pol/ is never right.
▶ No.897664
>>897648
What the hell, kid.
▶ No.897675
>>897648
>hacked copyright with copyleft
RMS is the greatest hacker of all time.
Every time you use GPL software he's relevant again.
>nonfree software in its early days tries to get a foot in the door
>RMS yells, destroys and creates the free software movement
RMS is the greatest alpha male alive.
Every time you run free software that developed because someone agreed to his philosophy he's relevant again.
>greates OS so people can run a free system without dick up their ass
RMS is the greatest developer all time, he single handed created a whole community of tech lovers writing code for us till today and instead of leaning back, he sat down, wrote software that gorillions of people still use on a daily basis.
>age comes along, astroturfers come along, you cone along
>RMS doesn't give a wet shit and still travels around the world redpilling people and strengthen the community personally
His philosophy, strength and stubbornness will be relevant even after his life which makes him a fucking legend.
What have you done that makes you relevant?
▶ No.897693>>897704 >>905199
If he's so fucking stalwart in his freedom why did it take MIT to make the one, true license while GPL languishes in legalese.
▶ No.897704>>897755
>>897693
>shilling cuck licenses
▶ No.897755>>899733
>>897704
>shilling kike licenses
you even had to sage you were so ashamed in "your" ideals.
▶ No.899733
>>897755
>ISTS THE JEWS
>WHY DONT YOU LISTEN
>THEYRE BEHIND US
>THEYRE EVERYWHERE
>ITS THE JOOOOOOOOOS
▶ No.905192
It seems somewhat similar to western Buddhism.
▶ No.905199
>>897693
The GPL is actually very easy to understand. It is very easy to understand the GPL preamble which describes the context and intent of how the GPL is supposed to work. The legalese exists for people who need a technical legal definition of what the preamble says.
▶ No.905215
>>892917
>I'll just pretend to be retarded to get publicity so that people can see my fake posts where I act retarded
>this should benefit the site as a whole somehow
wat
More shitposts aren't good.
More posters isn't even good.
I fail to see how publicity is good in any way for us.
▶ No.905216>>905234
>>892075
>MINIX
TempleBIOS never ever
▶ No.905219
>>891931
That's just a retarded rumor.
▶ No.905222
>>891933
>Industrial society
It's not black and white, but burger economy is now left behind this era. Your industrial society would work better with free software.
▶ No.905225
>>891949
/tech/ is now a shitposting board
▶ No.905231>>905241
why cant idiots just control context into their topics or forums, so stuff would just be about that
put garbage in like Offtopic forum
thats it, no overly complicated rules and modding teams, zero maintenance cost
why is everyone brain dead
▶ No.905234
>>905216
Terry already said he wants to make new hardware platform based on a 64-bit PIC. Yeah, those don't exist yet, but it's what he wants. See Pope6.mp4 for the full story. Can't upload here since it's 37 megs.
▶ No.905241
>>905231
That's what the subject line and filter are for.
If I were a board owner I'd take it to the extreme and warn every user who complains about topics they don't like that don't break the rules. Just fucking like , ignore it, or filter it if you're a 13 year old with no self control. Fuck.