/tech/ - Technology★

>>885873 (OP)

>potentially puts cryptocurrency users at risk, as anyone who downloads a blockchain could be held liable for illegal content.

total, low-iq unmitiged high viral load faggotry and the worst part is normalniggers would support it

>>885873 (OP)

A few weeks ago while suffering from fever I had exactly this idea. What if block chain is used for some nefarious purpose like cp.

The imagery is not actually there unless you use some sort of script to search for it and decode it.

If finding a way to transform some arbitrary set of data into a known illegal set of data makes the original set illegal as well, you might as well just make computers illegal.

Ex:

By adding 1 continuously to whichever set is smaller when interpreted as an unsigned integer, you will _eventually_ create the other set of data (albeit in an incredibly inefficient manner)

>>885891

So what you're saying is a blockchain is useless for storing any kind of data.

I don't think they would get very far trying to prosecute this.

I'm not very familiar with the inner workings of Bitcoin, but how do illegal images find their way into the blockchain? I thought Buttcoin used that solely to verify the market cap or transactions, not store random files?

>>885908

This should explain things.

http://www.righto.com/2014/02/ascii-bernanke-wikileaks-photographs.html

>>885911

So you use a program to convert your data into a bitcoin address, then send a small amount to that address? I've got to admit, that's a pretty interesting trick. Unfortunately, with something like this you could easily insert something illegal and conveniently shut down stuff that intrudes on your (((Business Interests))) or (((National Security))).

>>885920

Yeah exactly. It either leads to laws which allow the (((authorities))) to shut it all down, ones which force users to switch to an (((alternative))) system that has been filtered for their safety.

>>885920

There are ways to append arbitrary data to an transaction.

Coinfags absolutely BTFO.

>>885954

I can't wait to see the drops and then mine the salt from reddit as the soyboys see their imaginary money vanish.

Hot tip: If your money isn't taken seriously by a central bank backed by a strong military, it's worthless.

They're pushing this hard.

>"Although court rulings do not yet exist, legislative texts from countries such as Germany, the UK, or the USA suggest that illegal content such as child pornography can make the blockchain illegal to possess for all users." Interpol warned in 2015 that the blockchain could be embedded with malware or other illegal data, including child abuse images.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-21/bitcoins-blockchain-has-been-linked-to-child-pornography/9571384

>>885960

There were very few people smart enough to take profit and sell their crypto bucks. The number of people who bought in at $5000 or above is much greater than the people who bought in earlier. It’s literally a trap for retards. Also lately we’re receiving reports that over 90% of the transactions on the major exchanges are actually fake.

If a person got in early and mined some coins, or bought in when it was just pocket change, good on them. For the rest, well, it’s doubtful they would have managed to hold on to their money anyway, being such retards.

>>885967

People actually took out second mortgages on their homes to buy bitcoins. Insane.

>>885968

I feel like a gambling idiot with my traditional stocks and bonds portfolio, the day to day suspense is almost too much, I can’t imagine how a person could cope with having a significant amount of real money tied up in crypto, the high volatility isn’t even as bad as the risk of getting jacked.

>>886462

It's not illegal to be in possession of technology to make CP. It's illegal to make and possess CP.

>>886492

I think he drew a self-portrait.

>BITCOIN IS USED TO HELP RUSSIANS GUYS WATCH OUT THE CP AND ALL THAT MAN I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN TRUST THIS SHIT FUG

Next you're going to tell me to vote for Hillary Clinton.

>>886492

Where do compressed files stand in this?

Now what if you have an otherwise uncompressed file, and someone arbitrarily develops a "completely innocent decompression utility" that turns it into illegal content?

Point is, if transformative operations are allowed in proving someone has X file, it becomes extremely easy to plant evidence on somebody (especially in the case of public web servers). You effectively encode some portion of the content in the operation, regardless if the operation itself bears any resemblance to the final content.

That's why I argue if you want to charge someone with CP, you should have to prove their intentional acquirement of the material. That being said, if someone has a lot of files that look like CP, that's a reasonable grounds for further investigation IMO.

>>885873 (OP)

even more of a reason to go with monero

>>885966

>>"Although court rulings do not yet exist, legislative texts from countries such as Germany, the UK, or the USA suggest that illegal content such as child pornography can make the blockchain illegal to possess for all users." Interpol warned in 2015 that the blockchain could be embedded with malware or other illegal data, including child abuse images.

And also governmental secrets.

RIP wikileaks.

>>885921

>filtered for safety.

Filtered for control.

>>886492

Gets dumb when you try to define CP as any image involving a minor. Lolis need love too NSA!

>>887091

>look like CP

So we're doing the "but I know it when I see it" thing now?

>>885873 (OP)

>I must admit, that's a clever way to render it illegal and verboten

How the fuck is that clever. This is literally the first method those fucks always use to Shut It Down™, whatever "it" is.

>>887125

Every public blockchain can be shlomo'd this way.

>>885878

If the narrative and the normalniggers are dumb, you cure them to a lovely death.

>>887349

Untrue. Monero is encrypted by default, and it can't be turned off.

This is fucking hilarious

>>887091

You'd have to make it plausible that it's a general algorithm and that the algorithm itself is not enough to get the content. That's certainly practically impossible, probably even theoretically. You could formalize it using Kolmogorov complexity if you really needed to, but you don't.

Here's a marginally more realistic problem. I have random noise, publicly archived. You have an illegal file. You XOR the file with my noise. Now you have something that's indistinguishable from random noise, but XOR the noises and you get the file.

Possession of a single noise file is not enough to prove anything, because one of them existed before the encoding and the publisher can have been completely unaware that it would be used for this. But you can apply that to either noise file because they both look like random noise.

>Child abuse imagery has been detected in Bitcoin’s blockchain, according to a new study. The discovery potentially puts cryptocurrency users at risk, as anyone who downloads a blockchain could be held liable for illegal content.

no, the study doesn't put people at risk. it didn't reveal anything new

no, the information there doesn't put people at risk, it was already guaranteed that someone will do this at some point

Everyone already knew from day 1 this would happen. The question is will your dumbass country make illegal an entire monetary system (the only good/useful one) to remove a few items of CP from a low bandwidth channel, despite that the only reason CP is even illegal anywhere outside Saudi Arabia right now is an indirect regulatory attempt to mitigate child abuse.

>>885881

Nothing if, genius. It's a place where arbitrary information can be stored by anyone. Of course there's going to be stuff that's illegal in your country.

>>886492

The reason CP laws are so fucktarded is precisely because it leads to absurd results such as making bitcoin and (any other type of decentralized storage) illegal.

>>891529

Is Bitcoin a useful monetary system? Who's even using it to pay for things any more?

>>891534

It's stock market 2.0, I doubt you could ever use it as currency unless you could make a coin that can't change value (or at least does so much slower than the other coins). Or you could plan on spending it right when you buy it, and even then you lose money from fees.

>>891534

I buy stuff from overstock with it, and pay for my hosting with xmr.to, for one

>>885891

how can they know for sure its cp? is there a cp flag on files or something?

>>891534

presumably it will become less volatile at some point. in either case it's useful to transfer money. much better than using some jewish aids like paypal or bank transfer

>>891575

>guy A makes tools to encode files in blockchain and decode files in blockchain given coordinates (transaction identifier or whatever, i'm not up to date on bitcoin)

>guy B uses tool to store CP in block chain

>guy B posts coordinates to CP files in block chain

>guys X Y Z visit guy B's list of CP coordinates

>guys X Y Z get fast speed because it's replicated across the world

it's a bit more efficient than a tool that xor's some garbage into CP, so it can be plausibly made illegal by normalfags. making any transaction in the blockchain (required to publish data of any sort in the blockchain) costs money though... seems more practical to just host it on the clearnet like everyone already does

>>891586

agreed, that's why this feels more like sabotage.

The end game for those cunts is a cashless society where no transactions can be private.

>>891587

It isn't. The first blocks with illegal content come from 2012 or so, though most of them are dead URLs to old CP websites.

It's just another case of retards posting CP and ruining it for everyone else.

>>887219

>>891741

nope. as much as you might not like it, the problem is the government holding contraband laws so high. the result is absudities like "bitcoin is illegal because it is pedo"

>>887347

Yeah, I swear this smells like some kind of psyop bullshit to influence public opinion, and generate distrust of non regulated banking. YOU COULD BE IN POSSESSION OF CHILD PORNOGRAPHY!

>>885873 (OP)

there is cocaine in every single dollar, is the dollar going to be illegal because you could technically collect all the cocaine within each dollar.

>Do you need some more oil in that flame?

Someone has written a program in java, that can up and download files.

Now it's not even difficult anymore, to retrieve and upload these things to the blockchain. That means, the only two options for (((them))) are, to either kill the blockchain or permit all files within the blockchain. And I'm honestly not sure which of these is the better options.

Code:

Main repo(requires zeronet to access):

http://127.0.0.1:43110/126KYGEVcPaw9u7NKA6ZxqBUgFjGxqpF15

Mirrors:

https://github.com/CoinCloudGuy/CoinCloud

https://gitgud.io/CoinCloudGuy/CoinCloud

>>901868

>you can upload images to bitcoin

Finally, i can shitpost in blockchain and fill it with shit that'll get everyone downloading it v&'d

>>901868

>And I'm honestly not sure which of these is the better options.

Kill yourself you propaganda mongling faggot. CP is already much easier and cheaper to get on the clearnet. It doesn't matter how accessible tools to encode files to the blockchain (which are trivial to write and probably have existed back in 2009 or whenever more than 3 people knew about bitcoin) become, Bitcoin is still a retarded impractical way of storing files, especially big files such as photos and videos.

Since the government was unable to stop CP on public venues such as the _the fucking clearweb_ despite the maximum harshest possible punishments being implemented and le federal police, making bitcoin illegal to stop CP will not stop CP in any way, it will just be sending people to jail (who have absolutely nothing to do with CP) for literally nothing.

>>902147

<People use stegonography for uploading cp via transaction over the blockchain

<Let's ban the blockchain

<People use stegnography for uploading cp via images over the internet

<Let's ban posting images on the internet

You can literally embed CP into anything with plausible deniability because at least digitally it's all 1's and 0's.

>>902147

What's your point, that someone can get CP (a very small amount because bitcoin is a low bandwidth channel) without making a connection log entry to some clearnet site? We can already get CP over tor without any worry. Someone possibly being slightly safer when downloading CP is not a big enough deal to consider outlawing bitcoin. The act of someone downloading CP itself is not the problem, and you completely misunderstand the mainstream reason why CP law exists if you think otherwise. CP law isn't there to punish people for fapping to pictures of children, it's there to attempt to reduce the amount of child rape case.

>that pic

Some stupid chan didn't come up with the CP steno idea. This isn't a new idea, it's an obvious consequence of the blockchain system. Literally everyone competent I know who talked about bitcoin back around 2009 already had this discussion, 9 years ago.

>>902253

>What's your point, that someone can get CP [...] without making a connection log entry to some clearnet site?

I'm pretty sure that's not his the point.

The point there is that one can easily upload files that will permanently stored/accessed in a distributed manner.

>This isn't a new idea,

I don't think anyone claimed it was a novel idea.

Many people have already embedded things into the blockchain.

The merit there is the fact that it was actually implemented instead of just remaining as ideas that random autists were throwing around a decade ago.

>>902253

>What's your point

My point is not that is easier or more anonymous.

My point is, that nothing about retrieving CP that way can be deemed as illegal. Downloading CP that way can only than be illegal if it is illegal to access certain parts of the Bitcoin-blockchain, at which point that can be exploited to generate money out of nowhere, just by claiming that you received money from somewhere within that banned zone. Alternatively if you say, that all money coming from these zones is invalid, than you are erasing money, which is a problem, since there is a limit on the total amount of bitcoins that can ever exist. That leaves only the possibility of permitting CP only if it's in the Bitoin-blockchain or banning the Bitcoin-blockchain altogether(which itself is hard because it is a multi-billion dollar thing now, not inherently illegal and would, by implication, ban the entire technology branch that is blockchain in general).

>The act of someone downloading CP itself is not the problem

However it is the thing that can and is severely punished by law in most countries.

>it's there to attempt to reduce the amount of child rape case.

I am well aware of that, but I really don't want to start the shitfest of a discussion of whether or not this is accomplished by that. Still the problem that now obtaining CP legally(rather with absolute plausible deniability) is possible remains. As does the question of whether or not we can still sensibly ban CP without adding exceptions.

>Some stupid chan didn't come up with the CP steno idea. This isn't a new idea

Yes, in fact the second post in the thread on millchan points that out, but I am not sure whether or not that can or should be waved away anymore

>>902296

>Alternatively if you say, that all money coming from these zones is invalid, than you are erasing money

You are painfully retarded

>>885873 (OP)

This fucking thread again.

>>910490

>again

>March 20

fucking RETARD

>>885873 (OP)

Child pornography is worse than fucking murder. It's their excuse for everything.

>>910476

>You are painfully retarded

Care to explain why?

>>902154

>embed CP in a large series of chan shitposts which get archived

>embed CP in a large body of forum/blog comments which are hosted independently