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 No.870938[Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

>What are some things the more obscure Unices do that you wish more popular ones like GNU/Linux or BSD did?

>What are some things that GNU/Linux and BSD do that should probably be taken out?

>Do you have any experience with the System III and V family? How are those like?

>Do you think any of the Unices that are currently proprietary will be open-sourced at some point?

>Some person I was talking to was predicting that because they are continuing to open-source more of their stuff, Microsoft will at some point come out with their own distro. Do you think this will happen? If so, do you think they will revive the Xenix name with it?

 No.871103>>871216

It's been half a century, I just want Unix to die. Please, give us peace.


 No.871216>>871219 >>871235

>>871103

What should replace it then?


 No.871219

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>>871216

>What should replace it then?

SystemD/OS written in Microsoft Visual Rust.


 No.871231>>871237 >>871261

I've hear that IRIX was quite nice. Plus, it spearheaded stuff that's still used today, namely XFS and OpenGL.

About UNIX/POSIX in general, the only way to fix it is to break backward compatibility (something that the lazy POSIX folks should have done at the beginning).


 No.871235

>>871216

You know, one of the other mature general-purpose operating systems from the last 50 years - ha ha, just kidding, that's only Windows NT. Operating systems research is dead.


 No.871237>>871251 >>871418

>>871231

Yeah IRIX had some really nice innovations. I personally use XFS on a few installs, and RedHat uses it by default now.

It also had that 3D file picker, which you can actually still install today from this clone.

http://fsv.sourceforge.net/

I know Solaris has SMF which along with launchd inspired systemd. Here's a alternate reality scenario though: What if instead of systemd being developed, we ended up with just a straight-up port of SMF to GNU/Linux? How would things have been different if that happened?


 No.871251>>871307

>>871237

Bloat is never the answer, the init system problem has been solved a long time ago with daemontools.


 No.871261

>>871231

My father-in-law is a mainframe engineer and tells me the best stories. Said IRIX was the best Unix he'd ever had the pleasure to use because the GUI was light years ahead of the competition and everything was so well integrated.


 No.871303

While it hurt to see Oracle cannibalize Solaris, at least we got DTrace, ZFS, and CDE still.


 No.871307

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>>871251

>daemontools.

?


 No.871415

There's no such thing as a good UNIX. The world was a lot better when UNIX was considered a bad rip-off of Multics.

Q.  How can you tell when they've cleaned up UNIX?

A. When there's nothing left.

I don't regard it a "real" UNIX, then again I wouldn't buy a
"real" UNIX, 1970s software technology is not something I
would want to buy today.

Getting caught up in the "pure" UNIX war will lead you to
restrict yourself to "pure" SVR4 implementations, in the
mainstream camp *only* SUN have gone for this. That in my
view does not make it much of a "standard".

If a vendor decides to do something about the crass
inadequacies of UNIX we should give them three cheers, not
start a flame war about how the DIRECTORY command *must*
forever and ever be called ls because that is what the great
tin pot Gods who wrote UNIX thought was a nice, clear name
for it.

The most threatening thing I see in computing today is the
"we have found the answer, all heretics will perish"
attitude. I have an awful lot of experience in computing, I
have used six or seven operating systems and I have even
written one. UNIX in my view is an abomination, it has
serious difficulties, these could have been fixed quite
easily, but I now realize nobody ever will.

At the moment I use a VMS box, I do so because I find that I
do not spend my time having to think in the "UNIX" mentality
that centers around kludges. I do not have to tolerate a
help system that begins its insults of the user by being
invoked with "man".


Apollo in my view were the only UNIX vendor to realize that
they had to put work into the basic operating system. They
had ACLs, shared libraries and many other essential features
five years ago.


What I find disgusting about UNIX is that it has *never*
grown any operating system extensions of its own, all the
creative work is derived from VMS, Multics and the
operating systems it killed.


 No.871418>>871431

>>871237

Probably pretty similar, but development would be farther ahead and we would have less WONTFIXs and more general acceptance of GNU/Linux's svchost due to it not being led by Poettering. I mean it would have happened anyway even without systemd, centralization is the trend of all things.


 No.871431

>>871418

>Probably pretty similar, but we would have less WONTFIXs

Sounds great!


 No.871432

>macOS not OSX

Fucking Tim Cock




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