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 No.849312>>859083 >>859142 >>859608 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Anyone here know of cryptocurrencies that have genuinely interesting and developed technology behind them?

Very few interest me. Monero seems like it has advanced privacy enhancing features that make it a no brainer if someone wants to anonymously exchange value between each other. The Brave browser also adds novel features to the browsing experience that aren't seen in mainstream browsers unless you add extensions to certain ones.

Let me know if there's any legitimate technology out there that I'm missing. Most projects with a "product" suck a fat cock and don't have a working product to speak of.

 No.857968>>858024 >>858057 >>859047 >>859080 >>859115 >>859146 >>859312 >>859408

Don't know how I missed this thread, I love blockchain and DAG (directed acyclic graph) technologies.

The Good

>Ethereum

The obvious one. A distributed and open-source, stack-based, turing-complete virtual machine. I've written a lot of Solidity, it's a neat task to work around managing gas costs, making you want to optimise what you can. If you love solid mathematical proof, read the yellowpaper, it throughly and logically describes the intricacies of the system.

>Monero

The RingCT, stealth addressing, and ASIC resistance (thanks to CryptoNote). Fungibility is also based.

>EOS

An in-development competitor to Ethereum. Aims to introduce parallelised processing among nodes to increase execution time (and potentially reduce costs?), among other iimpressive changes. Wants users to not have to pay fees for non-transactions. Governance model is scary though (testnet currently live). Executes/will execute WebAssembly (apparently, I haven't yet installed the testnet).

Disclaimer, I plan to buy about 2kUSD EOS in a couple days

>Siacoin

Blockchain-based, decentralised cloud storage, cheaper than amazon and google drive and that. Very cool, still under development but the client and daemon software is available for download. Everything works, too, though it can be buggy. Written entirely in go. Bitmain released an ASIC for it a couple days ago.

>Golem

EC2 on the blockchain. Currently in alpha, and only does rendering for Blender. Aims to be able to execute all sorts of shit for low fees in future, github is active.

>Byteball

DAG with conditional payments, smart contracts, TOR support, untracable payments, and a host of other guff. Way faster than a blockchain. Very, very cool.

<Other unjustified suggestions include

>Stellar (maybe?)

>Nothing, most stuff is a scam

AVOID LIKE HELL

>Cardano

>LTC

>NEO

>NEM

>IOTA

>Dash

>TRON

>BTG

>VeChain

>QTUM

>ICX

>LISK

>XRB (RaiBlocks)

>PPT

>XVG (Verge, absolute cancer)

>Everything else T B H no homo


 No.857970

If you're not balls deep in ChainLINK you're already too late.


 No.857973

xrb whale here. just bought 5k ;)


 No.857975>>858005

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Go all in on AMB in the next hour.


 No.858005

>>857975

should have listened to me ;)


 No.858024>>858026 >>858044

>>857968

care to justify any of the avoid list?


 No.858026>>860150

>>858024

600 gorillion nem just got hijacked from tokyo niggers


 No.858044>>858046

>>858024

All shitcoins. No software, they kang all their code, no real use case, obvious scams, many more reasons. 90% of everything is crap, and this strongly applies to Cryptocurrency.

Disclaimer, I am a little buttmad at these projects with nothing but flashy websites and lists of advisors, who make millions overnight. I plan to launch a blockchain technology soon (actually, initializing the git today), and would feel dirty launching it without at least a working alpha.


 No.858046

>>858044

copy and pasting an erc20 token isn't creating a blockchain technology pajeet


 No.858057>>858447

>>857968

>The obvious one. A distributed and open-source, stack-based, turing-complete virtual machine. I've written a lot of Solidity, it's a neat task to work around managing gas costs, making you want to optimise what you can. If you love solid mathematical proof, read the yellowpaper, it throughly and logically describes the intricacies of the system.

What do you think about this?

<In for (var i = 0; i < arrayName.length; i++) { ... }, the type of i will be uint8, because this is the smallest type that is required to hold the value 0. If the array has more than 255 elements, the loop will not terminate.

<The constant keyword for functions is currently not enforced by the compiler. Furthermore, it is not enforced by the EVM, so a contract function that “claims” to be constant might still cause changes to the state.

<External function calls can fail any time because they exceed the maximum call stack of 1024. In such situations, Solidity throws an exception. Malicious actors might be able to force the call stack to a high value before they interact with your contract.


 No.858447

>>858057

That's what happens when you need to minimise bloat, you get infinite loops due to fucked up types and no real constants. The call stack depth of 1024 makes sense though. If it didn't have a sane depth, it would be and to DoS the network with enough gas afaik


 No.859047>>859138

>>857968

What do you think of chainlink


 No.859050

>Anyone here know of cryptocurrencies that have genuinely interesting and developed technology behind them?

Yeah. I'll list them all down:


 No.859080>>859138

>>857968

>LTC

aren't the lower transaction costs a tangible benefit?


 No.859083

>>849312 (OP)

yes, Bitcoin

>Brave browser

kys


 No.859115>>859137

>>857968

The Ethereum apps I've seem so far are just other cryptocurrencies built on top of Ethereum or literal ponzi schemes.

I want to believe, but Ethereum just looks like a neat toy with a bunch of hype.


 No.859137

>>859115

Because that's the easiest stuff to make, and it's also much easier than renaming "bitcoin" to "GarlicBoner" in the source of bitcoin core. There's some good stuff and more is always coming. Stuff like EtherDelta, Gnosis, Leeroy, Augur, A bunch of IPFS stuff, or CryptoKitties show what can be done. It's a turing complete computer so you could write anything, even I have a couple ideas for actual substantial programs (when I'm out of uni I'll be implementing them).


 No.859138

>>859047

No idea what that is, I will look into it, 99% chance it's absolutely dogshite though

>>859080

I guess, but BTC has lightning networks and everything else has pretty low fees as it is.


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>>849312 (OP)

Well, I went though the top 100 on coin marketcap and picked the ones I thought would appeal to you, OP

0x (ZRX) a decentralized exchange. This is the actual DApp: https://0xproject.com/portal

Status (SNT) Ethereum Mobile OS that isn't Google Android but will probably fail but is interesting none the less: https://status.im/

Counterpart (XCP) / Counterparty DEX and ( https://youtu.be/WUuEuEjCarE ) pretty sure this is the actual exchange: https://xcpdex.com/matches

FunFair (FUN) which has a real program I believe and you can really gamble with the tokens

Dent (DENT) is for decentralized roaming/cell data exchange but still being developed but very promising

GameCredits (GAME) I have on my desktop (pictured) and looks like I can literally purchase stuff

Steemit (STEEM) / Steem Dollars (SBD) Notice how the people's comments have a $ amount. Some people are paid to participate instead of the site?: https://steemit.com/hot

Kyber Network (KNC) which is another decentralized exchange for Ethereum tokens: https://ropsten.kyber.network/

and... BAT/Brave browser like you said


 No.859146>>859240

>>857968

Are Ethereum smart contracts and its VM provably correct and secure?

If not, then you are essentially a shill trying to promote something because he has a lot of it.


 No.859215>>859356

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I am right now independently, financially independently.

I am saying to so many people who said that this was going to be a con artist game, that this was going to be a scammer game.

“Hey you gonna lose all your money.” My wife still doesn’t believe in me. I’m telling her but honey look this is real. “Oh nonononono, that’s a scam.”

And I said “but wait I’m gonna go to the bank, I’m gonna get my bitcoins, I’m going to actually put it into dollars. Here they are right on the table.”

“Nooo, that’s money they took from another account.” I'm say what am I gonna do?

Then I said to myself, you know what, when I am starting to put 10 thousand dollars a day on her, right on her, you know on her table then she is gonna say WOAH HAHAHA YOYO ok thats real.

So guys, I wanna tell you something, faith and belief is the one thing that we all need to be able change the world, and right now I believe that in this groom we have the seed thats going to germinate and its going to explode into an amazing opportunity for us to change this entire world.

I am so proud, I am so honored, I am so excited to be here right now and let me tell you something that each and every one of you has the opportunity to become like those amazing people that we know here from Vietnam. Hey hey my group from Vietnam! Making so much money that they could probably have a real hard time counting it.

HAHAHA.

So guys let me tell you that I loooveee bitconnecttt!


 No.859240>>859313

>>859146

Yes, read the Ethereum yellowpaper.

Also, I don't own any Ether and I don't advise for or against buying any. I've disclaimer'd everything else relevant I've said. I would ever only advise that you buy BTC.


 No.859312

>>857968

What about BAT and the Brave browser?

Golem honestly pissed me off at how long their development takes. Have they released Brass Golem yet?


 No.859313>>859407

>>859240

Then how did the DAO hack happen? If contracts are provably correct, then no bugs should be possible.

This article seems to suggest a lot of these things are works in progress.

https://www.coindesk.com/paranoia-rules-ethereum-smart-contract-security-advancing/

The fact that people would put money into something that was quickly thrown together and improved afterwards, rather than carefully designed

https://ethereum.stackexchange.com/questions/11092/what-is-formal-verification-and-why-is-it-important-for-smart-contracts

Also, from this stack exchange:

>Formal verification is not in the ecosystem yet. (The Solidity-to-Why3 translation should not be trusted because it is not even tested.) I think the quickest way forward is to develop a smart contract language within an interactive theorem prover.


 No.859356

>>859215

>wife

>my


 No.859407>>859410 >>859670

>>859313

The system itself is provably correct. But the contracts are just programs like you get on any other OS, written by the same shitty programmers. Ethereum is like seL4, formally correct but shitty programmers can still write shitty programs on top of that, that's nothing to do with the EVM.


 No.859408>>859422 >>859610

>>857968

>Ethereum

Nah, sorry m8, whatever is literally based off Javascript can go to hell

>Monero

Yes, it's good.

>EOS

Literally a meme with no development.

>Siacoin

>"decentralised cloud storage"

You mean "MITM".

>Golem

Again, same issue.

>Byteball

I'll be honest, I have no idea here.

>Stellar

It's...yea, a "maybe".

>Avoid: Cardano, LTC

Why?


 No.859410>>859422

>>859407

Not all correct systems make it equally easy to put correct things on top. I don't know what the EVM is like, but it's fair to assign it responsibility for the quality of the things written on top of it, just like it's fair to judge programming languages for the things written in them.


 No.859422>>859610

>>859408

>based off JavaScript

>literally a MITM

Are you dense? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about

>>859410

Cool, thanks for confirming I can dismiss your opinion


 No.859608>>859613

>>849312 (OP)

>Anyone here know of cryptocurrencies that have genuinely interesting and developed technology behind them?

Linden Dollars, the rest are worthless


 No.859610>>859627

>>859408

>>859422

Yes I know the symbology is bad for Cardano, but is there another reason to avoid it?

>Sia

Given how slow the blockchain can be... is this feasible or a meme scam to steal from non /tech/ people.

>Golem

I'd avoid that just (((because)))

PIVX is better than Monero because zerocoin and I like the branding better. Monero sounds too much like amero, euro, ect


 No.859613

>>859608

>Linden Dollars

Isn't that just an in-game currency for second life?

I'm surprised there hasn't been an Open World VRMMO project using crypto as the in-game currency yet.

I wish I was /tech/, /v/, and /loomis/ because I think that could make bank and be a service to escapists everywhere.

https://steemit.com/@voxxe


 No.859627>>859716

>>859610

>>Sia

>Given how slow the blockchain can be... is this feasible or a meme scam to steal from non /tech/ people.

You can use it, right now. it's still not perfect but it's very much working.

>PIVX is better than Monero because zerocoin and I like the branding better. Monero sounds too much like amero, euro, ect

Besides PIVX's privacy features in general being garbage, you are retarded for thinking like that.


 No.859670>>859765

>>859407

The contracts are part of the overall system. If they can't be proven correct and secure, then the whole system is flawed.

They really should have taken their time but I understand the desire to be first.

There is certainly value in being first, and in being relatively easy to use, which is a claim about the Solidity and Ethereum smart contracts, but I think security and provability at every level (yes even down to the source code) should be required for any software dealing with things this important.

Yes, this would likely take decades of development (imaging if seL4 was millions of lines of code), but it would be worth it in the end IMO.

As it is, the decisions made in developing Ethereum no doubt allowed it to take the 2nd spot (maybe 1st eventually?) and the hype machine behind it is certainly impressive (seems to be the coin of choice in silicon valley) but I think it is destined to have the occasional catastrophic bug/hack discovery requiring a fork every once in a while for perpetuity because of those very same decisions.


 No.859716>>859765 >>859767

>>859627

>PIVX's privacy features in general being garbage

How so?

Really anon, as far as I can tell it is on the forefront of privacy. Please educate me.


 No.859765>>859766 >>859815 >>859817

>>859670

The contracts execute on a virtual machine. ""The EVM and the Ethereum blockchain are provably secure."" It is impossible to write a system in which programmers can only write "provably secure" software. There's no way to prove software like you think there is.

>>859716

>POS

>Masternodes

>Massive premine

>Zerocoin (i.e. DASH i.e. useless)

>Not fungible

>Public ledger

>A fucking rich list

>I could probably go on but I'd have to look at the codebase

The forefront of privacy is so far away from PIVX, you'd have to squint to see it.


 No.859766

>>859765

The "" quotes are supposed to do bold text but appear not to work


 No.859767>>859777

>>859716

Following up to what I said, the only "privacy coin" (I hate that term) worth a shit is Monero. Demonstrably.


 No.859777>>859780

>>859767

It could end up going in the shitter. ((Greg Maxwell)) is now on-board.


 No.859780

>>859777

>Greg Maxwell

Who?

Also, it's 3 parentheses either side, but why use parentheses? If you're going to tell the world you're a moron, just prefix their name with "that kike".


 No.859815>>859988

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>>859765

>POS

Yeah, so energy efficient?

>Zerocoin (i.e. DASH i.e. useless)

Wut? DASH doesn't have zerocoin... or any other coin except PIVX as far as I am aware. Best privacy.

>Not fungible

Wut nigger?

Do you even know what that means.

>Public ledger

Yeah... and? Zerocoin hides what you want to hide and it will be mandatory in future.

>A fucking rich list

Who cares? It's cheerleading. Marketing is good.

>Masternodes

Stabilizes the value of the currency. How is this a bad thing.

>Massive premine

This is the only worrying thing if true. But it goes for most coins out there too.


 No.859817

>>859765

https://steemit.com/created/pivx

<Please troll this topic if you're serious.

<Discussion and challenge is always good.

<I am invested and have profited so far so will need a good reason to jump ship.

https://steemit.com/@voxxe


 No.859988>>860088

>>859815

>POS

Is not safe for a mainline network. Even Vitalik knows this.

>Zerocoin

It's a fucking mixer, dumbass. There's no privacy involved, same shit as dash

>public ledger

IT MEANS THE TRANSACTION ISN'T PRIVATE, DUMBASS

>Master nodes

>>>>>>>stabilize the value

No, look at Dash. All masternodes do is centralise control and make a Sybil easier, as well as provide an easy access for malicious actors

You know nothing about what makes a cryptocurrency private, do you? Sell your PIVX and get out of crypto, if you can't do basic research it's not for you


 No.860088>>860158

>>859988

>It's a fucking mixer, dumbass. There's no privacy involved, same shit as dash

Nope. The mixer is what they had before.

>Is not safe for a mainline network. Even Vitalik knows this.

Explain and why are you being derogatory to the one who founded the second largest market cap crypto?

>IT MEANS THE TRANSACTION ISN'T PRIVATE, DUMBASS

What is zerocoin? lets not get emotional now... <so you want private ledger... like J.P. Morgan private? The whole point of crypto is having a encrypted decentralized public ledger, that is the base technology.

>No, look at Dash. All masternodes do is centralise control and make a Sybil easier, as well as provide an easy access for malicious actors

Easy access... yeah, a large investment is 'easy access'

<The rich list also shows that the coins are not that centralized in single addresses- just cheer-leading though because you can have multiple addresses, so yeah the creators can own most of it, same goes for fucking bitcoin.


 No.860150

>>858026

It was probably an inside job. It would not be the first time one of the "nem team" ripped off an exchange.

Last year a character by the moniker of kodytycoon ripped off polianex for 2500000 nem. He even admitted it on bitcointalk


 No.860158

>>860088

>why are you being derogatory

Learn to read, dumbass.

>The whole point of crypto is having a encrypted decentralized public ledger, that is the base technology.

Besides being wrong (Satoshi's vision is a cryptographically secure p2p payment system)...

>Public ledger

A system with a PUBLIC LEDGER is NOT PRIVATE. I am using caps to make my point, because you seem to be unable to read.

>Easy access... yeah, a large investment is 'easy access'

A malicious actor with a large amount of money can literally buy up as many masternodes as they like. Hackers, too. Did you not see the missing NEM over the past week?




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