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For suggestions on programs that aren't bloat refer to https://suckless.org/rocks
Acceptable GNU/Linux distributions that aren't bloat
>Gentoo
https://www.gentoo.org/downloads/
>Debian(NET ISO)
https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
>Void(Hipster but werks)
https://repo.voidlinux.eu/live/current/
>Alpine(Pretty damn minimal)
https://alpinelinux.org/downloads/
Another protip to keep your system minimal is to keep your package count lower than 999.
Get recommendations to see if your system is bloat or not
>OS
>DE/WM
>Video/Music player
>Image viewer
>File Manager
>Text Editor
>Shell
>Web Browser
>Terminal
Protip: If you aren't comfortable with the terminal or aren't proficient with GNU/Linux this thread isn't for you.
A nice quote
"Minimalism = A very good thing"
Too much of something is never good."
▶ No.834804>>834806 >>834812 >>835506 >>836765 >>837643 >>854916
Debian is literally the best distro, prove me wrong
protip: you can't
▶ No.834806
>>834804
I agree with you.
▶ No.834807>>834808
>void
>hipster
cuckchan be gone
▶ No.834808
>>834807
What distro do you use then?
▶ No.834809>>836080
>i3
>xfce
>thunar
>nano
>pretending anyone uses rc
>Firefox
>some random L
>>>>>minimal
▶ No.834810>>834853
Here's a little benchmark of WM ram usage.
▶ No.834812
>>834804
I prefer Gentoo so that makes Gentoo the best distro. Sorry pal, didn't mean to hurt your feelings it's just how I feel about this matter is all.
▶ No.834815>>859563
>Minimal
>GNU
You can only pick one
>You will never have a Linux distro with only Busybox utils and the Bionic C library by default like Android but uses Wayland over SurfaceFlinger
▶ No.834817>>836631
>LFS 8
>i3
>mpv
>feh
>GNU core utils
>emacs
>fish
>Firefox / w3m
>uxterm
▶ No.834818>>834823
Manjaro i3 with no systemd was my favorite minimal distro.
▶ No.834823>>836602
>>834818
>Manjaro
go back to cuckchan
▶ No.834824
>>834803 (OP)
why is pozfox in the minimal guide.
it's the opposite of minimal, it's loaded with bloat
▶ No.834832>>834847 >>863632
>>834803 (OP)
>Debian
Absolute cancer, apt is an abomination not to mention systemd...
>Void hipster
Gtfo, Void is what Arch used to be, a good distro. Void's xbps is fucking amazing, its blazing fast compared to apt and way more stable than pacman.
▶ No.834834>>837131
Get a 386 or early 486 with 8 megs, install old Slackware that has 1.2.x kernel. Now you have minimal Linux.
▶ No.834835>>834841 >>834847 >>834873
▶ No.834841>>834847
>>834835
I wonder why nobody brings this one up. Seems like the best one out of all the FSF-approved distros, and looks pretty excellent in its own right.
It uses the Shepherd init system, which I think is interesting, because you really don't see it anywhere else.
Packages seem fairly up to date.
▶ No.834847
>>834841
>>834835
idk. no one uses it.
>>834832
post your void desktop
▶ No.834849
Why did you link to the list of things that suck?
>C library
>C library
>libc
>C Compiler
>C-file
>C-based
>UNIX manpage
>C*
>Linux and Unix
>Plan 9
>Plan 9
>plan9port
>Unix utilities
>unix password manager
>Korn Shell
>POSIX-compliant
>for Plan 9. Included in plan9port.
>OpenBSD
>vi-alike
>inspiration from ed
>original vi
>vim-like editor
>for POSIX
>ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR!
>Plan 9
>for X
>unix command line
>lightweight web browser based on WebKitGTK
>based on the libwebkit
>adhere to the unix philosophy
>Vim-like
>make Firefox Vim-like
>controlling the X11 clipboard
>scripting X11 actions
>pixel in X11
>Daemons that are related to the UNIX philosophy
>OpenBSD
>simple crond
▶ No.834850>>834855
Manjaro i3 with no systemd was my favorite minimal distro.
▶ No.834853>>834854 >>834859 >>868729
>>834810
What's with the old one?
▶ No.834854>>834859
>>834853
That one is pretty old. Actually.
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▶ No.834859>>856760
>>834853
What this guy said >>834854
I think KDE now uses less than GNOME 3.
▶ No.834873>>862931
>>834835
Cool distro, and not minimalist.
▶ No.834874>>834885 >>835222 >>836632 >>863608
>>834803 (OP)
But why be minimal?
Just because someone told you to do so? Your system is there to help you do what you want to do so set one up which suits you.
Will being minimal make me happy? Make me attain enlightenment like some sadhu? Make me more in tune with nature? Nature is minimal like the silence of a cold night but it also rich, superfluous, overpowering, mind numbing like the sound of waves crashing on rocks.
We have been corrupted or more correctly we have disfigured the Buddhist concepts of minimalism, mindfulness etc Everyone is trying to be minimal, to be mindful, to be free, to be whatever buzzword they fancy, to be whatever they think will make them superior to others, whatever will feed their ego. But the thing is you are trying.
It is this trying, this want, this desire, this search that drives the circle of rebirth.
Just let it go.
Do you know how you to protect a drop of water from drying?
By throwing it into the sea
▶ No.834876>>834885 >>836632 >>837643
Minimalism is retarded and you should neck yourself
▶ No.834879>>834885 >>836632 >>837643
"Minimalism" is about not using your computer to its full potential. "Minimalism" is an excuse to make programs that are not as good. "Minimalism" has nothing to do with bloat either. You can make a 32 KB program that is not minimal and has an incredible amount of power, and a 1 MB "minimalist" Hello World program.
▶ No.834885
>>834874
>>834876
>>834879
Found the ubuntu and mint faggots
▶ No.834890>>834897 >>856768
>slackware
>i3
>mpv/cmus
>feh
>pcmanfm
>nano
>fish
>pale moon
>urxvt
▶ No.834894>>835166
OpenBsd pretty generally stay in base.
Xterm, CWM, vi, xsetroot for background, rewrite of bashpodder using ftp and ksh. It's pretty /cozy/
bt| pkg_info -m
ffmpeg-20170825p2 audio/video converter and streamer
firefox-57.0.1p0 Mozilla web browser
gambit-4.8.8 complete, efficient and reliable implementation of Scheme
heirloom-doctools-160308p1 modernized troff implementation
iwn-firmware-5.11p1 firmware binary images for iwn(4) driver
quirks-2.396 exceptions to pkg_add rules
uvideo-firmware-1.2p2 firmware binary images for uvideo(4) driver
vmm-firmware-1.10.2p5 firmware binary images for vmm(4) driver
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▶ No.834945
▶ No.835153>>835242
>>834803 (OP)
Whats the most minimal to stream your desktop on youtube with facecam. I heard obs is bloat
▶ No.835162>>835184
firefox as minimal
lol
lol
lol
lol
lol
▶ No.835165
I use linux mint with lxde, pcmanfm, lxterminal, notepadqq fight me.
▶ No.835166>>835184
>>834894
>minimalism
>xterm
▶ No.835169>>854568 >>859601
Void is a great distro for ricers like myself. Get my sleek wallpaper set up and then I'm ready for action. It's truly an aesthetic experience.
▶ No.835171>>835203
>OS
OpenBSD
>Window Manager
cwm
>Media Player
mpv
>Image Viewer
feh
>File Manager
ls, cp, mv, rm
>Text Editors
vi, mg, vim, sam, acme
>Shell
pdksh
>Web Browser
Firefox and lynx
>Terminal
xterm
▶ No.835184>>835192 >>836631 >>857579
>>835162
>>835166
xterm is minimal in that it is in openbsd base. So i dont need more code out of base.
Firefox isn't a minimal browser but to be honest ive never really found a minima browser that i liked. Any suggestions?
▶ No.835192>>835202
>>835184
I liked dwb but it's abandoned. Midori maybe?
▶ No.835202
>>835192
I used midori a long time ago i remember it crashing a bit but that was a long time ago on suboptimal hardware. Maybe ill just go and try it again. Hell im on winter break from college maybe ill just try everything.
▶ No.835203>>835218
>>835171
>Window Manager
>cwm
dwm + st + <whatever shell> tmux
>Shell
>pdksh
cool, but sometimes bloat is fine too ..so, zfs
>Terminal
>xterm bloat++
st
>bonus
Music: http://kohina.radio.ethz.ch/kohina.ogg
▶ No.835218>>835244 >>835246 >>835272 >>836383 >>836388 >>856501
>>835203
>st
If I wanted a terminal without scrollback I'd Ctrl+Alt+F2
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▶ No.835242
>>835153
Just use obs. It's possible to do it with ffmpeg but it will be hard to set up. Especially if you want to mix multiple audio streams.
▶ No.835244>>835272 >>856501
>>835218
Wait st doesn't have scrollback? lmao suckless is fucking dumb. urxvt and xfce4-terminal for bsd compatibility tyvm.
Also why thunar instead of pcmanfm?
▶ No.835246>>835257 >>835276 >>835344 >>857647
>>835218
If you can't modify such a small program, there's a scrollback patch.
>xterm is bloated and unmaintainable. Here’s an excerpt from the README:
>
> Abandon All Hope, Ye Who Enter Here
>
>
>This is undoubtedly the most ugly program in the distribution. It was one of
>the first "serious" programs ported, and still has a lot of historical baggage.
>Ideally, there would be a general tty widget and then vt102 and tek4014
>subwidgets so that they could be used in other programs. We are trying to
>clean things up as we go, but there is still a lot of work to do.
>
>Needless to say things have not changed, it’s still ugly. It has over 65K lines of code and emulates obscure and obsolete terminals you will never need.
>
>The popular alternative, rxvt has only 32K lines of code. This is just too much for something as simple as a terminal emulator; it’s yet another example of code complexity.
>
>Terminal emulation doesn’t need to be so complex.
Suckless is always right (except on static linking).
▶ No.835257>>835272 >>835273
>>835246
Why would the user patch or modify the program himself when there are great alternatives that do this out-of-the-box? If you still support patching it then you are deciding with your feefees and not logic.
▶ No.835262>>835271
>Ctrl-c
>ratpoison not found
/tech/ in 2017.
Literaly just a bunch of college faggot ready to be code monkeys.
▶ No.835271>>835275
>>835262
Cause there's better wms.
▶ No.835272
>>835257
>>835244
>>835218
I think the idea is that you just use tmux to get scroll back and tabs etc.
I used it for a while but not anymore.
▶ No.835273>>835279 >>835293
>>835257
>why should users be able to choose what functionality they want?
I guess you don't like USE flags too.
▶ No.835275>>857554
>>835271
Obviously. There is its evolution.
▶ No.835276>>835290 >>835291 >>849645
>>835246
Suckless is never right. They use the words "bloat" or "sucks" for anything they don't know how to do. They say dynamic linking "sucks" because they don't know how to do it. The only real bloat is software that is unusable, doesn't work properly, is full of unfixable bugs because they were standardized as proper behavior, wastes time, makes your life worse, and makes your ability to do what you want to do harder. The majority of C and POSIX/UNIX are like that, therefore they're bloat.
▶ No.835279
>>835273
Why would people be allowed to control their machine?
Let the NSA or poettering do it for them.
You don't need to use your brain. Why are you even thinking? Just listen to TV, they're give you the answer to the question of life. Why would anyone try to think about philosophy or build up project, when there is people doing it for you?
In what fucking hell of a dystopia are we living in.
▶ No.835286>>835353 >>836631
Put ranger in file manager and qutebrowser in web browser. Also, pcmanfm is the best GUI filemanager I've used.
I like feh but it doesn't support hipster formats like webp and flif and probably never will because the library it uses is abandoned as far as I can tell.
▶ No.835290
>>835276
I bet you use a DE. Heh.
▶ No.835291
>>835276
>They use the words "bloat" or "sucks" for anything they don't know how to do. They say dynamic linking "sucks" because they don't know how to do it.
Nice opinion.
>The only real bloat is software that is unusable
>Apple is banana because I said so
Fucking retard. While POSIX/SUS is full of shit (especially allowing newlines in filenames), nobody is saying that it's perfect. It's not like there's another widespread OS definition around to choose.
▶ No.835293
>>835273
I use gentoo on this machine tbh
▶ No.835344>>835351 >>835379
>>835246
This is only considering line count though, which is quite an odd metric to go by for minimalism to me. I personally value speed and ram-efficency. And in those aspects, urxvt daemon/clients wins.
▶ No.835351
>>835344
Exactly, the code clarity is not such a big deal with terminal emulators since the maintenance is low and considering the necessity of the package it will always get maintained anyhow. Urxvt is my goto with any wm, with xfce I tend to use the xfce-terminal because it plays nice with everything and doesn't make a dent in my strong machine.
▶ No.835353>>835356 >>835404
>>835286
<qutebrowser is minimal
KYS you larping desktop poster.
▶ No.835356>>835361
>>835353
It's minimal coz it has vim-like keybinds amirite
▶ No.835361>>835452
>>835356
Yeah, it's only about the surface to them. He probably likes how minimal bootstrap websites are too.
▶ No.835379>>836700
>>835344
>This is only considering line count though, which is quite an odd metric to go by for minimalism to me
This is the most important one because bug number is proportional to the code size. The other good reason is that something that is not only designed but also programmed with minimalism in mind is easier to study then modify.
>And in those aspects, urxvt daemon/clients wins.
Useless complexity. It's not like urxvt's 13MB or st's 8MB will really matter. Scroll speed is the same.
Anyway, what's the point of a client/daemon architecture for a terminal emulator? What is there to share between different windows?
▶ No.835404>>835625
>>835353
It's relatively minimal. It can be minimal enough, depending on what you want from your minimalism.
The rendering engine is a clusterfuck, of course, but that's a given if you need a browser that can handle the modern web. The things wrapped around the rendering engine are simple enough that you can get a reasonably accurate mental model of the browser and stop yourself from running into surprises.
It's a better fit than Firefox, in any case.
▶ No.835409>>835413 >>835434
Debian is not minimal.
Xfce is not very minimal. LXDE is more minimal.
A terminal is not a file manager. Learn the difference between a terminal and a shell. This is embarassing.
Vim is not minimal. nano is not very minimal either.
Firefox is one of the least minimal programs I use, and I run Emacs and GNOME, among other things. It doesn't belong anywhere near this list.
▶ No.835413
>>835409
>Learn the difference between a terminal and a shell.
What?
▶ No.835418
Replace "minimal" and "minimalism" with "autistic" and "autism".
▶ No.835434>>835451 >>835473 >>857867
>>835409
>A terminal is not a file manager.
ranger?
midnight commander?
ls/cd and regex?
Am I the only one not using a file manager, only using regex and basic mv/cp/cd/ls? (and midnight commander if I need to do huge changes). My next level is to be able to use sed/awk very efficiently.
▶ No.835451
>>835434
I mostly just use the command line, but I still have a file manager on hand for when I want to just browse pics or videos.
▶ No.835452>>875736
>>835361
This, real men only use wget and less
▶ No.835473>>836409
>>835434
ranger is not a terminal, nor is midnight command, nor is ls/cd, nor is the noun regular expression.
▶ No.835478>>835486
>copy pasting the same thread from cuckchan
kill yourself op
▶ No.835486
>>835478
What's wrong with that?
Its a gud thread
▶ No.835506>>836765
▶ No.835509
you are a joke
twm is better than fvwm
▶ No.835625>>835626
>>835404
It's written in fucking Python with QtWebengine as the engine. Of course it's nowhere near minimalism. Minimalism is links or netsurf, currently.
▶ No.835626
>>835625
You need a rendering engine like that to deal with the modern web. You don't always have a choice.
Python is bad if your reason for minimalism is resource usage, but it doesn't hurt if it's about keeping the programs themselves simple.
▶ No.836080
>>834809
Just use chrome for all of them :^)
▶ No.836156
is xUbuntu any good? I wanna play vidya while not using kikerosoft
▶ No.836361
Anyone know how to play youtube videos with netsurf? I've seen a few people do it with ffplay on a amiga but have no idea how.
▶ No.836381>>862891
I'd recommend sxiv over feh cuz you can see animated .gifs with it.
▶ No.836383>>836388 >>836764
>>835218
That's what tmux is for.
▶ No.836388
>>835218
>>836383
Ctrl+Alt+F2 (on Linux) and tmux both have scrollback buffers.
▶ No.836409
>>835473
No shit it's not a fucking terminal.
What a fucking dumbass. I was assuming the guy was making a mistake, because pointing out that it's no terminal is monstrously retarded.
▶ No.836600>>836604 >>836619 >>836623
>alpine
>dvtm
>mpv
>fbi
>rover
>vim
>mksh
>links
>n/a
The ultimate autismposting setup. X is for normalfags.
▶ No.836602>>837639
>>834823
i use manjaro gnome and i'm saying here faggot
▶ No.836604
>>836600
dvtm looks pretty good
▶ No.836619>>836623 >>836802
>>836600
Here are some suggestions:
alpine -> mu4e
vim -> emacs
links -> w3m
▶ No.836623>>836628 >>836803
>>836619
>emacs
He'd be lacking a decent text editor then.
>w3m
Only useful for the novelty of having images, otherwise shitty.
>>836600
Why links over elinks?
▶ No.836627>>836632
>>834803 (OP)
This thread is people comparing dicks, and claiming theirs is smallest.
I use Ubuntu now that their back to Gnome.
▶ No.836628
>>836623
>He'd be lacking a decent text editor then.
That's why I suggested to from a nondecent text editor over to emacs.
>Only useful for images
It is also useful for when you want have html content and you can just pipe it through w3m to get the output. Links does not support doing this unless you want to write that content to a file first.
▶ No.836631>>836636 >>836711 >>862553
suckless is shit. slock is garbage. niggers cant even make a screen locker right, but i guess you can't blame them, it's hard to make one in the context of X11
dmenu is shit, it takes up to a second to load, it should not take more than 1ms. if that requires it being always running it's worth the trade off.
feh is the best image viewer i know for linux though
>st is a simple terminal implementation for X.
>xterm is bloated and unmaintainable.
terminal is not only a bloated protocol but an ineffective set of constructs (escapes, modes, etc). you cannot implement it without bloat
>surf is a simple web browser based on WebKit2/GTK+.
>webkit
>not bloat
>>835286
>qutebrowser
>not bloat
pcmanfm is slow as fuck and crashes if you do anything that involves concurrency. i'm actually using it again right now because i can't find a better GUI file manager :'(
>>834817
>firefox
firefox is a mobile-first app to run on your Smart TV complete with news feeds, cloud sync, geopositioning, new super advanced notification bubble APIs, DRM, some strange politically correct selection of video formats, native Twitch streaming, graphics APIs, etc. run by a Non Profit Orginization focused on black rights. it's very similar to Windows 10. who the fuck thought it was a good idea to give text documents access to your graphics API (even through a "protected" interface)???
>>835184
the web is intrinsically bloated. it's like PDF or Flash. a stupid media kiddy protocol made for corporations to transmit their AIDS through. Links in graphics mode is the best browser but it doesn't work on all sites
▶ No.836632
>>834874
>>834876
>>834879
>install Windows 10
>buy a Smart TV
>install Google Smart Home
>install uConnect
>>836627
it's actually very useful. these threads helped me find mpv after years of painfully putting up with vlc
▶ No.836636
>>836631
>firefox is a mobile-first app to run on your Smart TV complete with news feeds, cloud sync, geopositioning, new super advanced notification bubble APIs, DRM, some strange politically correct selection of video formats, native Twitch streaming, graphics APIs, etc. run by a Non Profit Orginization focused on black rights. it's very similar to Windows 10. who the fuck thought it was a good idea to give text documents access to your graphics API (even through a "protected" interface)???
By 57.0 yeah, it's rotten through and through.
It wasn't, but first Mactards turned GUI into something to their taste, then backward compatibility began to sag.
▶ No.836688>>858546
>Discard my pc, monitor, furniture until all I have is an empty room.
>Access all my files and connect to the internet from my mind.
▶ No.836698>>846504
>>834803 (OP)
<would use net iso
<if i knew how to connect without network manager
fugg too much of a brainlet to be quite honset
▶ No.836700
>>835379
>Anyway, what's the point of a client/daemon architecture for a terminal emulator? What is there to share between different windows?
In urxvt's case, multiple loaded fonts and libperl. The daemon is there to hide its bloat.
▶ No.836711
>>836631
>dmenu is shit, it takes up to a second to load, it should not take more than 1ms. if that requires it being always running it's worth the trade off.
It shouldn't take that long. It takes a second to load only when it's generating ~/.cache/dmenu_run.
▶ No.836764>>836822 >>837531
>>836383
>45k loc for scrollback
eww the bloat.
▶ No.836765
▶ No.836802>>837120
>>836619
why not simply using gnus?
Don't understand what mu4e have more than gnus.
▶ No.836803>>836820
>>836623
eww is the new emacs browser. w3m is totaly outdated.
▶ No.836820>>837005 >>837654
>>836803
>requires X11 to display images
B L O A T
▶ No.836822>>837291
>>836764
Then you have more/less. Just use the patch, you retarded fuck.
▶ No.837005
>>836820
I just verified; you can't display pictures in tty from emacs.
Moreover, you can use an extremly lightweight wm, just to display basic windows. You don't need anything bloated.
By the way, I tested w3m with pics in the tty, and it's truly unusuable. It's disgusting. But it's not like you need them to consult important stuff or documentation. I guess you need them to shitpost. Too bad you can't.
▶ No.837120>>837303
>>836802
I wasn't able to get it set up so I went with mu4e which was much easier to get working.
Also doesn't gnus freeze the editor when it is fetching your mail?
▶ No.837131
>>834834
But will it run crysis?
▶ No.837291
>>836822
>won't bloat their precious code by adding like 200 loc to add scrollback
Yeah I'm the retarded one
▶ No.837303>>837485 >>838322
>>837120
Yeah, you have to wait. But I guess, I have to search, you can open the buffers in the background, like for ERC. But I don't know how to do it for gnus.
Maybe it's better to use elfeed for rss and mu4e for email, and not gnus for everything, especially if you don't use usenet.
▶ No.837485
>>837303
I guess with gnus you could just have it update when you want to read your email. Right now I have mu4e set to update every 5 minutes and it does so in the background.
I currently use newsbeater for my rss reader, but I would prefer to have something for emacs. If I were to use elfeed I would probably need to figure out how to redefine the browse-url function so that it would open certain links with mpv instead of a normal web browser.
▶ No.837531
>>836764
Not just scrollback but tabs, panels and more.
▶ No.837534
I wish there was some file manager that used just pure X libraries without those bloated toolkits like GTK and QT and provided image and video thumbnails out of the box.
I was thinking about writing one but it is just too much hassle.
▶ No.837543>>837544 >>837546
I wanna switch from Trisquel to Gentoo, but Gentoo never allows me root privileges when I boot from a live usb.
Is this because I'm booting from a usb or is there something I'm missing?
▶ No.837544>>837548 >>837549
>>837543
Do "su" and "sudo -i" both fail?
▶ No.837546>>837548
>>837543
Did you try just logging in as root? The password is probably like "toor" or something.
▶ No.837548
>>837544
>>837546
I have not tried either of these solutions (it was a while back too) I will this time though thanks
▶ No.837549
>>837544
It boots automatically in root for me...
▶ No.837551>>837592 >>837714
Is Iridium browser bloat?
Is terminator bloat?
▶ No.837592
>>837551
>Is Iridium browser bloat?
Yes, very. It's the special kind of bloat that's low on actual features.
>Is terminator bloat?
Relatively.
Don't use this to guide your software choices. If you need to ask it's irrelevant. Figure out why bloat is bad, and then maybe drop software that's bad in ways that are caused by bloat.
▶ No.837639
>>836602
until it breaks of course
▶ No.837643>>837647
>feh
>not sxiv
Feh is only useful for setting the background.
How good is mc? I've heard it's a good programm to quickly do file management while keeping the command line open, but the fucking emacs keybinds kill me.
Any file manager that's good enough to handle picking out images from a folder to upload them to a site, but more minimal than pcmanfm?
>>834804
apt can be a bitch, but overall it's decent.
>>834876
>>834879
Pic related. fun things are fun
▶ No.837647>>837714
>>837643
>mc
>not ranger
Also, doesn't your browser have an upload window? Why would you need a separate file manager?
▶ No.837654>>837693 >>837714
>>836820
You jest, but soon you will be able to play videos using VLC straight from the virtual terminal/tty. So yea it's fucking bloat.
▶ No.837693
▶ No.837714>>837730
>>837647
mc is superior to ranger, especially if you have to do huge file management/transfer.
>>837654
never heard of the frambuffer?
You already can look at pdf, watch videos etc.. from the tty.
>>837551
Your last question is retarded.
▶ No.837715
▶ No.837725
>>834803 (OP)
>/linux
>minimalism
nice bloat
▶ No.837730>>838558
>>837714
>mc is superior to ranger, especially if you have to do huge file management/transfer.
Examples? I've never really used it, it looks like ranger but blue and with dual panels.
▶ No.837758
WMs and DEs are for Niggers and bloated gay people
White men just use screen and only small terminal based applications
▶ No.837813
>File manager
>Thunar
More minimal alternative with bonus that it can be run in terminal: https://ranger.github.io/
▶ No.838322
>>837303
I just finished setting all my stuff up in elfeed. I hadn't done much elisp before, but I learned enough to set up a custom browse-url function which can intelligently chose what program to open the link up in.
What's pretty awesome is now I can just do C-c y to open up all my unwatched youtube videos in mpv.
▶ No.838558
>>837730
>Such brainlet that he can't use man
>Can't make his own opinion
▶ No.838613
▶ No.846470>>846472
I should have just posted in here but i made a thread about it so i would get more replies...
>>846465
▶ No.846472>>846484
>>846470
You should have posted it in the tech support sticky.
▶ No.846484
>>846472
i will post it there too......
▶ No.846504>>846531
>>836698
To be honest Linux wifi configuration is a hot mess.
In OpenBSD you just use ifconfig, no fucking around with NetworkManager/wicd/Conman/wpa_supplicant/whatever-it-is-this-month.
▶ No.846518>>846527
look at me
i use sage
that means i am above you, in a moral way, and also in a cool way
i use sage to show my devotion to seriousposting
▶ No.846531
>>846504
Not nearly as bad as FreeBSD's though. Openbsd does have the best by far.
▶ No.846534
Where does Windows 10 rate on this scale?
▶ No.849645>>857738
>>835276
Dynamic linking is the fucking DEVIL'S HANDIWORK.
▶ No.854169>>854509 >>854836
Is there a such thing as a suckless compositor? I have to acquiesce to using compton because I don't think there's a better option...
▶ No.854506>>855041
mg is the best text editor.
▶ No.854509>>854836
>>854169
The only suckless compositor is no compositor.
▶ No.854568
>>835169
>uses github for source code retrieval
No no no.
▶ No.854836
>>854169
>I have to acquiesce to using compton because I don't think there's a better option...
You are right
>>854509
They are moar right
▶ No.854916>>854923 >>855656
>>834804
bait but whatever
I've been using debian since 2004 and I'm migrating away from it in the past five years it has become so bloated that I need to reinstall it at least once pear year, after trying lots of distros in production I'm choosing gentoo, even tho gentoo in my opinion should get a better support for people who don't want non-free shit/blobs from the beginning and also a of the network install, my second choice would be to let redhat manage shit but I don't like that.
▶ No.854923>>855069
>>854916
Gentoo has the best support for avoiding nonfree packages. Add USE="deblob" and ACCEPT_LICENSE="-* @free" in /etc/portage/make.conf
▶ No.855041
>>854506
It's actually shit, and I plan on adding some stuf by myself to it (mainly customizable tab width, a way to know here the mark is and key sequences binding).
▶ No.855043>>855061 >>855602
>arch
>DWM
>MPV/deadbeef
>sxiv
>ranger
>vim\code-oss
>zsh
>quantum/ESR for
>xfce4-term
▶ No.855061>>855500
>>855043
>systemd
>vim
bloat
>xfce4-term
why?
▶ No.855069>>855071 >>855509
>>854923
>>854923
>nonfree
how did you become so brainwashed?
▶ No.855071
▶ No.855500
>>855061
I keep switching between st and xfce4-term. Both are the same, I only give xfceterm preference coz it has an option to save all recent history
▶ No.855509>>855994
>>855069
>brainwashed
I just have political and philosophical beliefs that I stand by. How is that being brainwashed?
▶ No.855602>>855639
https://wiki.musl-libc.org/alternatives.html has a decent list.
>>855043
This isn't supposed to be minimalist, right?
▶ No.855639
>>855602
Its not, its what helps make me be most comfortable and productive
▶ No.855656
>>854916
Debian is bloated? Even with a full DE (Xfce) and non-free software, my system barely uses 300mb of RAM with nothing going on.
With crapware running I barely use 1GB and stuff is pretty snappy, too.
▶ No.855913
I am running it with Xfce too, and it takes 240 mb. I could easily get it under 200 mb if I wanted. Not autismo enough to spend any more time on it though.
▶ No.855959
>>834803 (OP)
This thread is bloat. You should delete it.
▶ No.856038
>>855994
top kek. thanks for the lol
▶ No.856340>>856486 >>857743
>OS
Gentoo
>DE/WM
Enlightenment
>Video/Music player
Enlightenment
>Image viewer
Enlightenment
>File Manager
Enlightenment
>Text Editor
Enlightenment
>Shell
Enlightenment
>Terminal
Enlightenment
I use Emacs for everything else
▶ No.856359>>856487
>>855994
I've never donated to GNU. That is, however, one of the most inane pages I've ever read on the web
▶ No.856486>>856506
>>856340
back to cuckchan g pee el ee aye ess ee
▶ No.856487>>868850 >>868852
>>856359
>>855994
stallman is jewish, what do you expect?
▶ No.856501
>>835244
>>835218
st is supposed to be used with tmux
▶ No.856506>>856615
>>856486
the cloverOS meme distro started here you retard
▶ No.856507
surf is a great web browser.
▶ No.856615>>856742
>>856506
The modern incarnation is being forced on /g/ and /tech/ simultaneously. The original trainwreck was on /g/ and predated /tech/ by a few months.
▶ No.856640
▶ No.856681
>>856584
I sincerely hope that isn't your screenshot. Please leave and don't come back.
▶ No.856742
>>856615
CloverOS is just the Gentoo General OP's setup put into an iso.
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▶ No.856768
▶ No.857554
>>835275
>Written in lisp
No thanks.
▶ No.857579
>>835184
qutebrowser is comfy if you like vim.
▶ No.857647
>>835246
You would be better off with Plan 9 instead of a handful of trivial suckless programs running on bloated OS like Linux/BSD.
▶ No.857738
>>849645
Dynamic linking is simpler than static linking. UNIX can't do static linking properly, so expecting dynamic linking to work is out of the question.
C and UNIX (they say) are designed for the
programmer who likes things "terse" and quick. That's why
the commands are 2 or 3 character names like "ls" and
"awk". That's all fine with me, but what really boggles my
mind a little bit is the C compiler/environment.
Nowadays we have ANSI C, which is intended to solve
some of the problems with C. Well, one of the big problems
with C that ANSI C "solves" is function parameter call
mismatches. It *FORCES* you to pre-declare functions and
their parameters before you use them, and it checks to make
sure that you're handing it the right thing if you invoke
it. Well, actually, it will accept any random joe bob data
if you use this wonderful thing called a "cast" which lets
you tell the compiler, "sure that string is really an IEEE
floating point number. go use it. don't bother to try to
convert it to anything first." But casts aren't what we're
here to talk about today, - we're here to talk about
function prototyping and how it is good for you.
It's surprising, really, that C, a language
developed in the heady, terse UNIX environment would
incorporate something like function prototypes. It's a lot
of extra typing. Worse, it makes the programmer do extra
work to generate reasonably correct code.* I've always been
amazed that the scrotty-bearded UNIX gurus out on the net
haven't done everything they could to kill this awful waste
of keystrokes. Think of the bandwidth savings in usenet
source postings alone, if function prototypes were removed!
Of course the most amazing thing about function
prototypes that everyone overlooks is that a DECENT
environment, with a decent compiler and linker, would be
able to check all that stuff at link time! There's nothing
wrong with C as it was originally designed, it's just that
nobody thought to have link-type parameter checking built
into the compilation environment. Rather than someone
putting all that work into the linker (what, a few months?)
we have a language standard that forces every user to
perform the job of link editor in their head. Great. And
it's becoming the lingua franca of programming in the 90s.
It's grimly amusing to note that UNIX, the cradle of C as it
were, lags hopelessly behind DOS in the quality of C
programming environments, with the notable exception of
Saber-C. Saber-C is another unusual case, however, since it
gives you a NICE environment, with compile and link error
checking, runtime error checking, and so on, and when you
want to actually generate an executable....? You're on your
own and you're back to using the outdated piece of shit
compiler the vendor gives you with your system - a
descendant of the original 'pcc' or some similar
abomination, hacked on by generations of grad students on
their way to guruhood. Or you can use gcc, if you have the
time, the MIPS, and the disk space, and can tolerate its
little foibles.
The crowning glory of it all is C++, the birthplace
of function prototypes. Function prototypes must have been
implemented the way they were because it was easier for the
compiler writer to get all the parameters before starting to
parse the function, rather than having to figure them out in
the ensuing lines. When a language is bent, twisted, and
malformed to save the compiler writer a bit of effort,
you've got to wonder why the guy's writing compilers in the
first place. Now, C++ could really use a decent compilation
environment, with link time name resolution. But
NnnnnoooooOOOOOOO, rather than "do it right" some late night
caffeine and taco fever nightmare scheme was concocted
whereby symbols get transformed into DES-encrypted dog vomit
and back.
C++ is heading for standardization. All of this
happened because nobody wanted to put a few hooks for type
checking in their linker and object file format. I think
there's a lesson in all this, but I'm damned if I can see
it.
*The story of the programmer who wrote all his function
prototypes to accept (char *) and cast everything to (char
*) before calling any function is pure fiction. Really.
▶ No.857743
>>856340
Same thing was posted to /g/ 2 fucking days ago
> Living the meme
▶ No.857867
▶ No.858070>>858071 >>858082 >>858146
>muh minimalism
Reminder that the latest KDE Neon idles at less CPU and RAM consumption than my riced i3-gaps.
▶ No.858079>>858137
>>858071
I'm sorry, are those meme arrows your pathetic excuse for a mainstream full-blown desktop environment being lighter than your muh minimalism autistic piece of shit?
▶ No.858082>>858120
>>858070
Great source you got there.
▶ No.858120
>>858082
It's true, though. Very close, but still. KDE is making great improvements.
▶ No.858137
>>858079
My unriced non-gaps i3 idles at 0% CPU and uses 2 MiB of memory.
▶ No.858146>>858161
>>858070
Prove it. Post screenshots.
▶ No.858161>>858163
>>858146
Nope. Feel free to not believe me or try for you're self. See if I care.
stop bumping a dead thread. nobody cares about this autism
▶ No.858163
>>858161
>Nope
>btw don't bump so nobody sees me embarrassing myself
ok
▶ No.858546
▶ No.858902
>>834803 (OP)
+1 for artix
▶ No.858920
>>858900
The fug is that wooden-looking thing on the lower right corner?
▶ No.858924
>>858900
Now this is an ugly setup if I've ever seen one. 0/10.
▶ No.858936>>858995
>protip
<protip
>tropip
<nigger'stits
Did I transport back to 2001 when saying protip was funny and original? Or perhaps back to 2010 when it was funny to say it ironically?
▶ No.858995
>>858936
protip: kill yourself. nobody cares
▶ No.859061>>859064 >>859068 >>859077 >>859086 >>859095 >>859116
>>834803 (OP)
I don't seed any BSDs on there. Last time I checked, none of the GUN/Linuxes could run at 500mb (the Gentoo kernel is averaged at 500mb). While it's a regular occurence for NetBSD and OpenBSD to have 500mb, when combining all non-swap partitions.
>i3WM
>XFCE
>DE
>Minimalist
More like cwm, fvwm, twm, bspwm, ratpoison/stumpwm.
>Dedicated music player
>Not just writing your own 50 liner to interact with the sound drivers
>Thunar over Ranger
>No zsh
>NANO
>Motherfucking NANO
>No emacs or vi
>Firefox
>MINIMAL AT ALL HAHAHAHA PIC RELATED
There's no such thing as a minimal browser. Maybe a minimal HTML/CSS renderer, but not a browser.
>Urxvt/St over Xterm
I don't know the differences here, what's better?
▶ No.859064>>859066 >>859067
>>859061
Gentoo's stage3 is way under 500mb
▶ No.859066>>859067
>>859064
The miracles of compression, no?
▶ No.859067
>>859064
>>859066
Aw fuck, excuse me I'm retarded. I meant it's packed in a tarball so download sizes aren't indicative of the final install size.
▶ No.859068>>859079
>>859061
stumpwm is far from minimal. It's nice and expendable, but not minimal.
▶ No.859077
>>859061
Herbstluftwm is also really light on resources.
▶ No.859079
>>859068
What criterion are you using? I just checked the decompressed file size and it clocks in at 900kb.
▶ No.859086>>859100
>>859061
A --variant=minbase debootstrapped Debian Stable is 174 MB. A kernel should add about 200 MB according to the installed size of the one I use, but you could get that down by building your own.
▶ No.859095>>859100
>>859061
My gentoo kernel Slab is 373mb and the initrd is 1.6mb. And this is after 8h of doing whatever.
▶ No.859100
>>859095
>>859086
I have been proven wrong.
▶ No.859116>>859122 >>859133
>>859061
>I don't seed any BSDs on there. Last time I checked, none of the GUN/Linuxes could run at 500mb (the Gentoo kernel is averaged at 500mb). While it's a regular occurence for NetBSD and OpenBSD to have 500mb, when combining all non-swap partitions.
>the Gentoo kernel
>Linux needs 500MB
Retard.
>>cwm, fvwm, twm, bspwm, ratpoison/stumpwm.
>stumpwm, fvwm
No.
>>Dedicated music player
>>Not just writing your own 50 liner to interact with the sound drivers
I guess that's true for an audio file player, but not for a music library one.
>>Thunar over Ranger
>python abandonware
No I use it, but since a few days, vifm supports Miller columns.
>>No zsh
Zsh is comfy but bloated, man. Say mksh or dash -E, at least.
>>No emacs or vi
Emacs is supremely bloated, even if good.
>There's no such thing as a minimal browser. Maybe a minimal HTML/CSS renderer, but not a browser.
Netsurf.
>>Urxvt/St over Xterm
>I don't know the differences here, what's better?
https://st.suckless.org/
xterm is bloated and unmaintainable. Here’s an excerpt from the README:
Abandon All Hope, Ye Who Enter Here
This is undoubtedly the most ugly program in the distribution. It was one of
the first "serious" programs ported, and still has a lot of historical baggage.
Ideally, there would be a general tty widget and then vt102 and tek4014
subwidgets so that they could be used in other programs. We are trying to
clean things up as we go, but there is still a lot of work to do.
Needless to say things have not changed, it’s still ugly. It has over 65K lines of code and emulates obscure and obsolete terminals you will never need.
The popular alternative, rxvt has only 32K lines of code. This is just too much for something as simple as a terminal emulator; it’s yet another example of
code complexity.
Terminal emulation doesn’t need to be so complex.
▶ No.859121>>859163 >>869613
263M /lib/modules/4.14.15-gentoo
8.4M /boot/initramfs-genkernel-x86_64-4.14.15-gentoo
7.2M /boot/kernel-genkernel-x86_64-4.14.15-gentoo
2.9M /boot/System.map-genkernel-x86_64-4.14.15-gentoo
▶ No.859122
>>859116
rxvt doesn't work well with n/f/o BSD thru SSH and this is why I use xfce4-term most times.
▶ No.859129
>>859125
How many autism points do I get for simultaneously complaining that people are posting bloat and that bloat is actually good
▶ No.859133>>859139
>>859116
>vifm
>bBut does it have built-in tabs?
>vi keybindings
>Zsh is comfy but loated
Gottem mixed up, meant to say fish as a file manager alternative.
>Emacs is supremely bloated, even if good.
Only the GUI ones. no_x11 is fast and slim.
>netsurf
Unless it got a fully functioning JS addition, it's still an over-glorified HTML/CSS renderer.
>st
I see.
>>859125
Autism is bloat.
▶ No.859134>>859208
This is a general for discussing software minimalism and minimal software for GNU/Linux.
>What is software minimalism?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimalism_(computing)
>Why software minimalism?
- Fewer bugs
- Better performance
- Lower memory footprint
- Better maintainability
- Higher scalability
- Longer software lifetime
- Prompt delivery
- Smaller attack surface
Acceptable GNU/Linux distributions that aren't bloat
>Alpine Linux (Not GNU)
https://alpinelinux.org
>Void Linux
https://www.voidlinux.eu
>GNU GuixSD
https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/
>Gentoo
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Main_Page
https://www.gentoo.org/downloads/
>Debian (netinst)
https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
https://www.debian.org/releases/
https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html#s-apt-get
>Useful links
https://suckless.org/rocks
http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_window_managers
Protip: If you aren't comfortable with the terminal or aren't proficient with GNU/Linux, this thread isn't for you.
▶ No.859139>>859143
>>859133
>Only the GUI ones. no_x11 is fast and slim.
You must have a very shaky understanding of what bloat is if you think text-mode Emacs isn't bloated.
▶ No.859143>>859158 >>859180
>>859139
I must. Please enlighten me.
▶ No.859152>>859160
>>856584
>anime
>4chan
>eurobeat
>intel
High levels of homosexuality going on that pic.
▶ No.859158>>859199
>>859143
You're using a text editor that can do windowing, launch a terminal emulator inside, have builtin games and a fucking psychologist. Everything mentioned before being written in a slow and dedicated interpreted language, as the cherry on the cake. I really hope you're:
1) Not talking about GNU Emacs, but something like mg.
2) Retarded.
If only there was a better mg (key sequence binding, mark highlighting and modifiable tab width).
▶ No.859160>>859173
>>859152
>anime and eurobeat
>being bad
GNO. The anime is quite bad, though.
▶ No.859163
>>859121
I hope you're joking
5.0M /lib/modules/4.14.15-gentoo/
107K /boot/config-4.14.15-gentoo
2.6M /boot/System.map-4.14.15-gentoo
8.1M /boot/vmlinuz-4.14.15-gentoo
▶ No.859171
>>858900
Put some cloveros on that, Jesus
▶ No.859173
>>859160
Sadly, best girl from worst vn/anime/vidya.
▶ No.859180>>859199
>>859143
Among other things, Emacs contains:
- An original dialect of Lisp
- A HTML renderer
- An ANSI-conforming terminal emulator
- Two parser generators
- An implementation of Unix man for when Unix's man is unavailable, called "woman" for "without man"
- A Plan 9-like shell, including a few basic unix utilities and a portable implementation of piping
- A sort of document markup language for note keeping and time management, which has been used to write books
- An input mode that converts TeX symbol identifiers to the corresponding Unicode as you type, with real-time preview and suggestions
- Multiple(!) IRC clients
- A somewhat clever text adventure game
- A psychotherapist
- Tetris
At least one person reading this is going to think I'm making some of these up, or exaggerating them by not mentioning that they're third-party extensions or that they let external processes do the heavy lifting. I'm not.
I really, really like Emacs.
▶ No.859199
>>859158
#2. I was blowing air out of my ass and forgot all of the dependencies GNU emacs needs. Please forgive my transgressions.
mg actually looks pretty cool and I've been getting sick of all of these ""features"" in emacs
>>859180
I was surprised when I figured out it could read PDF
▶ No.859208>>859417
>>859134
The minimalist "movement" disgusts me. Here we have a bunch of fucktards who can't program telling people that their inability to make something good is actually a benefit for the users.
>- Fewer bugs
Only if you can't program.
>- Better performance
Only if you can't program.
>- Lower memory footprint
Only if you can't program.
>- Better maintainability
Only if you can't program.
>- Higher scalability
Only if you can't program.
>- Longer software lifetime
Only if you can't program.
>- Prompt delivery
Only if you can't program.
>- Smaller attack surface
Only if you can't program.
▶ No.859354>>859366 >>859368
Some shitty OC i made because i was bored
▶ No.859366
▶ No.859368>>859545
>>859354
I might have seen the first pic somewhere already...
▶ No.859417>>859526
>>859208
>Bug number isn't proportional to code size
debiru_medal.png
▶ No.859526
>>859417
It's proportional to code quality, not size. These fucktards don't know how to make good code, so they advertise by saying a small turd in the punch bowl is better than a large turd, but they don't want you thinking about no turd. When there is no turd, a larger program means more punch.
▶ No.859545
>>859368
It's an Archfag prepping himself for the systemdick. ArchInANutshell.png
▶ No.859563>>859574
>>834815
>a Linux distro with only Busybox utils
What is Alpine Linux
▶ No.859574>>859578
>>859563
A distro that doesn't fulfill all requirements listed in that post.
▶ No.859578
>>859574
>doesn't fulfill all requirements
>all
O P T I O N A L
P
T
I
O
N
A
L
▶ No.859580
>OS
Gentoo
>kernel
Linux 4.14.15-gentoo tailored to my specific hardware, very minimal
>init
OpenRC including openrc-init
>networking
NetworkManager + dhclient + wpa_supplicant
>DE
KDE Plasma
>sound server
JACK and PulseAudio
>browser
Perfect Gentleman's Chromium
>text editor
vim with powerline
>terminal emulator
Konsole
>shell
zsh with zprezto
>chat
Konversation for IRC, a custom chromium app for Discard
>file system for root
F2FS
>boot time
15 seconds from power button to Plasma fully loaded up
>package count
1197
▶ No.859581>>859600
I'm too depressed and unmotivated to give a shit about software elitism anymore.
I'll grab whatever's fast and uses as few resources as possible while having the features I need. If I'm using something bloated then it means I haven't given a fuck in a while
▶ No.859600>>859662
>>859581
that's called becoming an adult, anon.
▶ No.859601
▶ No.859628>>860049
I'm suprised nobody has mentioned that alpine is infected https://www.alpinelinux.org/community/code-of-conduct.html
▶ No.859662>>859781
>>859600
This tbh.
>childhood is using ubuntu
>adolescence is flitting through fedora, debian, arch, and gentoo
>adulthood is returning to ubuntu
▶ No.859781>>860051
>>859662
>adults using ubuntu in their childhood
yo, ubuntu is still new as fuck in human years
▶ No.859966>>859985
>>834803 (OP)
I have an old laptop that I'll want to install Gentoo on and learn Linux stuff the proper way. That includes start learning vim properly, networking stuff, kernel hardening, etc. I know it's not LFS, but it's close enough. For the moment, I want to use the following:
>glibc for the sake of compatibility
>runit(+OpenRC?)
>vim for the sake of having a more versatile editor
>xorg
>a custom build of st
>2bwm
>some bar of some sort for the sake of ease of use (not sure which ones are the lightest
>dmenu (again, not sure which one is the lightest)
>w3m or lynx, not sure which yet
Any other software suggestions?
▶ No.859985>>860035
>>859966
Xterm (surprisingly) is lighter than st for regular terminal interactions.
Elinks instead of lynx (w3m no pls go away), if you don't want to slide back into depressive introspection.
▶ No.860035>>860112
>>859985
I thought st/urxvt were lighter than xterm?...
▶ No.860049
>>859628
Fuck. I'll switch to Gentoo on my torrent box.
▶ No.860051
>>859781
>unable to read it as a metaphor
▶ No.860112>>860115
>>860035
They were suppoed to be, but there was a benchmark thread rolling around on Reddit and found that xterm performed the best (except for when it was doing shit like vim) out of all the emulators. St and urxvt were lightweight, but really far off from xterm. Gnome did better than KDE.
▶ No.860115>>860138
>>860112
By which metric? Speed, or latency?
Latency while doing tricky vimoid things might be the most important.
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▶ No.860429>>860592
▶ No.860528
>>860259
Go back to Twitter, chiru.
▶ No.860592>>860600 >>860933
▶ No.860600
>>860592
Honestly, the results look bogus.
▶ No.860623>>860638 >>860644
urxvt has a daemon mode so all your terminals will use close to 1 process worth of ram
▶ No.860638
>>860623
Konsole can do this too
▶ No.860644
>>860623
>rxvt
It's deprecated
▶ No.860663>>860730
pkg_add rxvt-unicode
Can't find rxvt-unicde
Obsolete package: rxvt-unicide (no longer maintained and full of security holes)
WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THIS?
▶ No.860730>>861078
>>860663
How did you spell the package name in three different ways? Did you manually type it over?
▶ No.860933
>>860592
non-emacs terminals btfo
▶ No.861078
>>860730
Yes, my browser doesn't support the kill-ring (or autocorrect), and I don't know how to copy something in xterm without highlighting text.
▶ No.862415>>862552 >>865818
When were you when the fastest terminal is emacs
▶ No.862432>>862459
>>834803 (OP)
Just install Debian netinst + the DE you like if you want minimalism, ignore the /g/entoo shit and void meme, use a real distro
▶ No.862459
>>862432
Disabling recommended packages is vital for a minimalist(tm) Debian. Don't omit that.
It can get nowhere near as minimalist as Alpine, and even Void has plenty to offer in this area that Debian can't. I think you can make an informed choice for them, but 80% of /g///tech/-type jerking off about minimalism isn't informed.
▶ No.862552
>>862415
>When were you
I was today
▶ No.862553
>>836631
your post gave me cancer in the good way
thanks for existing
▶ No.862796>>862867
I would like to recommend pass as a password manager. It uses the filesystem to organise passwords (dirs in pass are actual dirs with a file for every password), gpg to encrypt, git to version control. https://www.passwordstore.org/
▶ No.862867
>>862796
>leaks metadata
no thanks
▶ No.862891>>862894 >>865814
>>836381
sxiv is fucking awesome
>thumbnail mode that replaces the only thing that graphical file managers are good at
>simple configuration and vi keybinds
>useful status bar that replaces the need for a titlebar or feh's right-click and that's easy to turn off
it's perfect for a keyboard workflow
the only bummer is that it doesn't allow you to set the wallpaper like feh. i keep feh on hand just for that, and modify ~/.fehbg. there's probably a better way.
▶ No.862894>>862908
▶ No.862898
▶ No.862908>>862912 >>862917 >>862920
>>862894
perfect. thank you
opinions on spectrwm?
>no useless shit like i3's popup dialog or titlebar
>native gaps
>creates workspaces on the fly
>config file and easy restart (allows reloading settings quickly)
>very good bindings and tiling options
>dmenu integration
>easy to define quirks for shit like gtk dialogs
<panel is shit, only one color and one alignment (either all left, all center, all right), no fallback font
<fine, i'll use lemonbar instead
<have to force docking mode for lemonbar because spectrwm isn't ewhm compliant in that area
<need to kill the docked lemonbar for fullscreen
▶ No.862912>>862920
>>862908
I tried it some time ago while leaving i3. I definitely don't like manual tiling; bspwm became my new home.
▶ No.862917>>862920
>>862908
spectrwm is like dwm, but not minimal to the point of being dysfunctional.
▶ No.862920
>>862908
also forgot one of my favorite features:
>toggling float for a window centers it by default
very good for browser when it's the only window on the workspace and you don't want it to fill the whole screen, or for simple 2-minute terminal things where 80x24 is less cumbersome
>>862912
bspwm is on my list of wms to try. looks really cool.
i don't know why i3 dominated the tiling wm discussion in the last few years. it doesn't seem so good to me, but i haven't used it extensively. being 'greeted' by a popup dialog to setup the config was a bad first impression.
probably the unixporn effect
>>862917
exactly. it has everything I need, and nothing else. that's really impressive in terms of design.
▶ No.862931
>>834873
Whether it's minimalistic or not is up to how you configure it. It can be a Gnome 3+++ bloatfest, you can choose not to use an X window at all, or you can use something inbetween like FVWM. Installing/upgrading GuixSD without an internet connection is difficult, but from what I understand, possible. Read moar here: https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/manual/html_node/System-Configuration.html#System-Configuration
▶ No.863498>>863501
Metadata is bloat, why are there not more music players that use file structure for library management? Fucking sitting here for 20 minutes waiting for this piece of shit Rhythmbox to "import" my songs.
▶ No.863501
>>863498
Is the issue that you're waiting for your music manager to parse all the metadata tags or that there aren't any tags for it to read? For the former, doesn't it make sense that it caches your tags initially? In doing so, you get a much deeper scope of criteria to search for and display which is appealing to a broader scope of people, and it scales better than using just using your directory tree. For the latter, you should look into beets.
▶ No.863593>>865534
▶ No.863602
Gentoo for my own personal machine, and GuixSD for a reproducible enviroment and configs (so I can access the same environment anywhere, whether it be a new PC or a VM).
I don't ever see a need for doing anything else.
▶ No.863608>>863624 >>863633
>>834874
>why be minimal?
s1mple, because we dont want to deal with the hundreds of problems that derive from having an excesive big mess like linux can be with too much useless shit.
And personally, because minimalist software ended to be more productive to me in the long run (specially i3) so i dont have to loose work performance "just" because i have to do extra click or because some silly package doesnt works as it should X day
▶ No.863624
>>863608
Why did you post that image?
▶ No.863632
>>834832
found the tinfoilnigger
▶ No.863633>>863638
>>863608
>i3
>minimal
lol no
▶ No.863638>>863652
▶ No.863652>>865826 >>868421
>>863638
try ratpoison instead.
▶ No.865534>>865540
>>863593
Small is about program size. Minimal is about program functionality.
Small programs come from good programmers who do extra work optimizing and finding patterns in their code. Minimal programs come from bad programmers who do not think that's possible.
If you optimize a program and reduce the size by 50% without removing any functionality, you made it smaller but didn't make it more minimal.
▶ No.865540
>>865534
if you're taking out half the program size you're either a retard who made it shitty to begin with or you're writing obfuscated garbage no one will be able to maintain.
▶ No.865814
>>862891
But sxiv can't delete the spidermans!
▶ No.865818
>>862415
>comparing running emacs' "cat" and /bin/cat
wew
▶ No.865826>>865847
>>863652
ratpoison has shit multi monitor support I need i3
▶ No.865835>>868414
>minimal
nice meem
i go for the full install whenever i can. whether it be debian or slackware i'm getting everything.
▶ No.865847
>>865826
bspwm has good multimonitor support.
The one thing it doesn't support which i3 does, is being able to assign desktop numbers that are not all continuous. This can be fixed visually by changing the shortcuts and name of the desktops in the config if you really need them.
There was also a problem with making sticky floating windows fullscreen to the correct monitor, but I got that fixed upstream last night.
▶ No.868414
>>865835
But do you use everything?
▶ No.868417>>868418 >>868429
>>834803 (OP)
all of the distros you've listed are fucking garbage for daily usage
>gentoo
compiling is slow on older machines and on newer machines speed improvement of compiled software is undetectable
>debian
old as fuck packages. who would use this shit as a desktop os? only good for servers
>void
decent overall but a bit slow and buggy. why use this over a decent rolling release distro like solus or tumbleweed?
>alpine
IT ADVERTISES ITSELF AS A FUCKING SERVER DISTRO, WHO WOULD USE THIS?
good meme OP but go back to 4chins with this shit
▶ No.868418>>868424
>>868417
>go back to 4chins
>recommends systemd shit
sure thing kiddo
▶ No.868421
>>863652
lisp-infected pile of shit, use stumpwm, it's made by the same guy who agrees it's better in literally every way
▶ No.868424>>868426 >>868434
>>868418
>blindly humps systemd-hate bandwagon
>is faster and more secure than any other init system
>calls me kiddo
▶ No.868426
▶ No.868429
>>868417
>on newer machines speed improvement of compiled software is undetectable
Yeah, but it lets you do things like writing a path to remove keepassxc's dependency on dbus which upstream won't do because it would break a feature from working on ubuntu.
▶ No.868434>>868438
>>868424
>One million+ lines of code
No thanks.
▶ No.868438>>868447 >>868469
>>868434
>complaining about the amount of lines of code a program has
who gives a fuck if it's great code?
▶ No.868447>>868451
>>868438
>systemd
>great code
My sides are gone
▶ No.868451>>868455
>>868447
Can you elaborate? I haven't looked at systemd's code.
▶ No.868455
>>868451
>hurr durr million lines of code
>conveniently avoid mentioning that that's across hundred different programs and tools
< herp derp it didn't dance around shitty MSI hardware issues so it bricked itself
▶ No.868465>>868467 >>868517
>linux
>minimalist
when will you learn that monolithic kernels have a wide attack surface and are thus bloated. nibbas be complaining about systemD when their kernel is 60m lines of code
▶ No.868467
>>868465
Mono kernel runs much faster though. And for all its attack surface, there quite a few attacks that actually happen despite all of that being open source.
▶ No.868469
>>868438
careful poettering, we know where you live
▶ No.868485
Tired minimalism:
>Unix
>C with libraries you downloaded
>anything web even “minimal” browsers
>GUIs
Wired minimalism:
>Forth
>Plan9
>Lisp machines
>Smalltalk
▶ No.868517
>>868465
t. retard who use precompiled kernels with everything builtin
▶ No.868544>>868550 >>868553 >>868561
>minimalism
>shit ton of libraries sitting between you and the Linux kernel
Pick one.
http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/
▶ No.868549>>868560 >>868572
>>834803 (OP)
>Slackware
>Window Maker
>mplayer/{mpg,ogg}123
>feh
>no file manager, shell only
>nvi/[heirloom] ed (as appropriate)
>AST ksh
>SeaMonkey/lynx
>xterm
▶ No.868550>>868591
>>868544
>On the other hand, every single byte in this executable file can be accounted for and justified. How many executables have you created lately that you can say that about?
I enjoy what modern computers can do and how easy it is to get them to do it, but I do miss the days when that was the norm.
▶ No.868553>>868591
>>868544
>that web page
Holy fucking shit I didn't think this kind of stuff even existed anymore.
▶ No.868560
>>868549
Same. file managers are too too hard for me now.
▶ No.868561>>868570 >>868583 >>868591
>>868544
minimalism refers to things like rm, cp, mv, ls, cat, grep, vi, du, df, wc, tar, ps, w, tr, tac, od, pwd, awk, sed, ed, su, sudo, ln, dd, col, chmod, bc, nl, vim, nex, ex, top, nvi, nc
▶ No.868570>>868618
>>868561
>vim
Nice try but you can't sneaky that in there.
Also the rest of those standard unix utils are only minimal in you don't use the gnu ones.
▶ No.868572
>>868549
What the fuck is the point of lynx if you fall back to SeaMonkey? This post is basically /minimalism/ in a nutshell; you'll literally use three times the space just so that you get the bragging rights for using some obtuse, shitty, pseudosolution, and when push comes to shove you fall right back to bloat incarnate.
▶ No.868583>>868604
>>868561
>sudo
>minimal
ebin
▶ No.868591
>>868550
We can make it happen again. These cancerous protusions in programs are caused by libraries, abstraction and portability. Low level programming is good for the soul.
>>868553
Yes. That's a real fucking website. One with a point to make, a real message to pass on. No huge faggot ass background images that assumes resolutions. No cancerous javascript frameworks to make the page needlessly dynamic to the point it breaks if it's disabled. No external calls to load soyboy fonts just to display the fucking title. It's just you and the fucking tutorial on how to kick libc to the curb and start really using the Linux kernel.
A dying breed, indeed.
>>868561
>minimalism is POSIX command line tools
Please.
▶ No.868618>>868624 >>868646 >>868665
>>868570
One of the main points of minimalism is "many ways to do the same thing" And that's why vi, nview, view, nex, ex, nvi are good examples of minimalism.
▶ No.868624>>868679
>>868618
Yes but vi/nvi/etc != vim.
Vim is the opposite of minimal.
▶ No.868646>>868679
>>868618
>One of the main points of minimalism is "many ways to do the same thing"
t. Perltard
▶ No.868665>>868679
>>868618
>>868618
>One of the main points of minimalism is to have a bloated interface
▶ No.868678
>>855994
That website gave me autism & AIDS
▶ No.868679>>868847
>>868624
You really need to get some perspective here. nvi 458k, vim 2.5mb. This is what you are arguing about.
>>868646
Then post a single counter example.
>>868665
Bloated compared to what?
▶ No.868685
>>855994
>all those actual quotes from RMS
Anyone who's never seen the FSF literally take over a project will never understand how cult-like free software is. Not even Torvalds takes him seriously.
▶ No.868729
>>834853
that one's even worse
>mate lighter than xfce
▶ No.868847
>>868679
> You really need to get some perspective here. nvi 458k, vim 2.5mb. This is what you are arguing about.
I understand what I'm arguing about. Does nvi have a built in interpreter for the one of the worst abominations of a scripting language ever conceived? Bloat has nothing to do with binary size (though there is a direct correlation) its about how many completely useless features the program has on top of what it's primary function is.
▶ No.868850
>>856487
in·ane
adj. in·an·er, in·an·est
Lacking sense or substance: interrupting with inane comments; angry with my inane roommate.
▶ No.868852>>868881
>>856487
Have you ever seen Stallman? He doesn't run around in a fancy car. His shirts are normally a single color or otherwise ornamental styles from Indonesia. He's stated that he lives like a poor student and he actually lives like one. He's also stated that all the excess money he receives goes straight into the FSF.
▶ No.868881>>868918 >>868919
>>868852
>I would never order a mattress by mail, because that would put me in a data base. I want to pay cash. But actually I have never bought a mattress as such. Here's what I did instead.
>I went to a foam store and bought several layers of foam -- hardest on bottom, then softer ones, finally convoluted foam layers on top. I also got a wooden board to put the foam on, and six cinder blocks to make a storage space under the board. This is far cheaper, and you can pay cash for it.
Stallman doesn't live like a student, he lives like a fucking hobo. The man is basically Diogenes.
▶ No.868918>>868921
>>868881
>all these huge walls of text over completely inane everyday matters like buying a fucking mattress to sleep on
My sides.
▶ No.868919>>868920 >>868924
>>868881
>Stallman doesn't live like a student, he lives like a fucking hobo. The man is basically Diogenes.
That fat kike really doesn't deserve to be compared to Diogenes. Diogenes did what he did because he was living his philosophy. Stallman does what he does because he's a fucking autistic.
▶ No.868920>>868924
>>868919
>Stallman doesn't live by his own principles because I say so
No. There is no reason to believe Stallman is doing this because he has failed to acquire other means of income or housing. He prefers to live this way. Stallman likely is autistic, but he's also a genius, and you will never, ever, ever affect the world in a positive way the way he did. Kill yourself.
▶ No.868921>>868923
>>868918
It's literally two three-sentence paragraphs, you illiterate. No one's laughing with you; we're all laughing at you.
▶ No.868923>>868926 >>868930
>>868921
There's plenty more at his website. Laugh at yourself dumb fuck.
▶ No.868924>>868925
>>868919
Autism is can be a philosophy. He can be so autistic, he actually turns into a chad, sometimes, like when he btfo'd Leah.
>>868920
Just because he's blatantly wrong doesn't mean it justifies your Stallmanite ideology.
▶ No.868925>>868928
>>868924
>Leah
Literally who
▶ No.868926>>868934
>>868923
I'm having a good enough time laughing at your grammar, "dumb fuck". Or your logic. You try to associate take an example and use it to justify your weird, pathetic, anti-intellectual convictions, and when you get called out, you're too lazy to even cherry pick the evidence necessary to warrant your claims.
▶ No.868927>>869292
I like mine. Personally I use a DE primarily as a terminal multiplexer and I frequently find myself uninstalling unneeded libraries. I hate all these blaoted libraries, especially the disgust that is Gnome.
▶ No.868928
>>868925
Leah "Lesbian" Libreboot, the cute, huggable mascot of the Free Software Foundation.
▶ No.868930>>868933 >>868934
>>868923
I bet you brag about your supposedly high IQ, for which you've never been tested, lol. Where's your diploma form Harvard, retard? Where's your contribution to any software movement, much less one centered around users?
▶ No.868933
>>868930
D-did you mean to quotelink me instead?
▶ No.868934>>868935 >>868937
>>868926
>>868930
>retards defending a literal parrot-fucking communist
>by attacking my grammar
>as if 8chan posts are some kind of formal publication
▶ No.868935>>868946
>>868934
<by attacking my grammar
>You try to take an example and use it to justify your weird, pathetic, anti-intellectual convictions, and when you get called out, you're too lazy to even cherry pick the evidence necessary to warrant your claims.
Attacking imagined strawmans with another strawman isn't really very persuasive.
▶ No.868937>>868939 >>868946
>>868934
Stallman isn't a communist, and the parrot/flower fucking was a joke. I get that you're so autistic that you don't even get that, but please spare the rest of us from your retardation. Also, attacking your grammar is valid if you're pretending to be some sort of super smart guy that's able to look down on someone like rms, who as previously stated, is a fucking certified genius.
▶ No.868939>>868942
>>868937
I don't know which is worse--you or the guy you're arguing with. Both of you are petty and misguided, by the way, for even arguing about Stallman's authority in the first place like it's something that matters.
▶ No.868942>>868945 >>868946 >>869032
>>868939
I'm not saying Stallman is some kind of authority. I'm simply disagreeing with the characterization of rms as someone who can't take care of himself or is living a lifestyle that he himself did not choose due to autism or other kind of incompetence. Richard Stallman is not only smart, he's a literal genius, above and beyond basically anyone posting on this board. The amount of hubris required to declare him too incompetent to live as they do, instead of realizing that this is the way he chooses to live his life, is just unbelievable and insulting to me.
To summarize: I do not think rms is an authority on anything, I think his arguments speak for themselves, and I do not agree 100% because of differing values.
I do think he is not only smart, but that he's a genius, and that he lives the way he does on purpose, not by accident.
▶ No.868945>>868948
>>868942
I don't even know how to respond that. You really are a Stallmanite, and you aren't even apologetic. His personality and actions are two completely different things, and I don't think there's a strand of logic that can justify idolizing him like that; you might be compensating for something in your own life.
▶ No.868946>>868952
>>868935
>>868937
>rms defense force out in full swing
I guess that's what the FSF donations are being used for these days.
>>868942
>literally lives in a cot in some MIT hallway or something
>literally eats snacks off his foot
>fucking obese faggot despite being poor
>"I get angry when people characterize rms as someone who can't take care of himself"
>"he's a genius"
>"he chose to be this way"
>"you're full of hubris"
>"he just has different values"
My fucking sides
▶ No.868948>>868963
>>868945
Nobody is idolizing him. It's a fact that he's smarter than the average bear, way smarter. I have my disagreements with him, but respect where it's due.
▶ No.868952>>868955 >>868983
>>868946
At least I'm not intimidated by literally kindergarten-level paragraphs like it's some kind of "formal publication". This is the state of 8ch, everyone.
▶ No.868955>>868983
>>868952
Probably a mobile browser. They seem to be afraid of reading.
▶ No.868963>>868969 >>868983
>>868948
>he's smarter than the average bear
What are you on about? Does Stallman shit in the woods?
▶ No.868969>>868975
>>868963
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=smarter+than+the+average+bear
I get it, you're underage and can't into idoms because you're a retard.
▶ No.868975
▶ No.868983>>868996 >>868998 >>869005 >>869022 >>869027
>>868952
>>868955
>intimidated
I'm just amused, brainlets. His articles are amusing. Part of it is due to the autistic, rambling manner in which they're written. They go on and on about matters no normal functioning person has any trouble with; matters only autistic people need explained. He goes out of his way to, for example, mention and explain the reasoning behind the fact that he won't refuse to touch computers with proprietary software installed on them, as if he was trying to resolve some deep cognitive dissonance within his own mind. The texts literally tell people to avoid modern technology because of ethical concerns. Because everyone wants to become a poor fat autophagous communist who lives off of donations just like him, right? He's no better than the idiotic animal rights activist he shut down in a debate a few threads below this one.
It boggles the mind how you people idolize some church man who doesn't even hack anymore and is basically on his way out of the spotlight. His "movement" is literally dying. Nobody uses GPL anymore; it's shit and nobody takes it seriously anymore. Everyone would rather be making shit loads of money by using their BSD-licensed software at work. You brainlets who don't understand how out of touch this man is need to realize he started hacking during a time when the unixes were many, architectures were multiple, sources were scarce and users were actual engineers who could write their own printer drivers. Absolutely none of those factors apply today. Now it's all about leveraging commoditized software and making shit loads of money using it. His religion helps absolutely no one today, it's no wonder he's losing followers. His entire worldview is built around and for 80s hackers who were oppressed by the evil Unix vendor overlords, what with all the proprietary source code and paid POSIX tools he didn't have money for. The mental contortions rms has performed in order to try to keep up with the times is just hilarious. The GPL gets longer and longer with each autistic fit of his. It's extremely entertaining.
>>868963
I wouldn't be surprised if he actually did that. My sides.
▶ No.868996>>869003
>>868983
>Everyone would rather be making shit loads of money by using their BSD-licensed software at work.
And here it is. The retard reveals why he is so adamant in misrepresenting rms. He just loves cuck licenses.
>GPL is dying
>single most used license in FOSS
>hurr
I think we're through here. Cucks like you can't be reasoned with.
▶ No.868998>>869003
>>868983
Wow, you are butthurt.
▶ No.869003>>869014
>>868998
>>868996
>lmao cuck
>hurr butthurt
>the absolute state of rms-idolizing freetards
▶ No.869005>>869036
>>868983
I wasn't even criticizing you for disliking Stallman. I was just calling you a moron for being scared of teensy-tiny paragraphs. You're the one who just assumed that I was attacking you like a delusional Stallmanite. That's your fault for being so dishonest with yourself. Your prose needs work. You write like a middleschooler trying to parrot what their parrents say. And it's especially embarrassing considering the obvious fact that you're trying to backpedal on your insecure remark with an even bigger, more insecure rant.
▶ No.869014>>869036
>>869003
>everyone that calls me out on my retardation is a freetard.
>the absolute state of cuck license fags.
▶ No.869022>>869036
>>868983
>Stallman wants software to be free so that users aren't subject to the whims of copyright holders
>Stallman wants users to own their own computers and data so that they can't be surveilled and abused by their governments
>Stallman wants devices to be subservient to their owners instead of the other way around
>Hurr Stallman just wants you to not use technology and be poor
Nice strawman, famalam.
▶ No.869027>>869045
>>868983
>autophagous
Somebody got a thesaurus for Christmas!
You're right, though. We know he eats off his foot. I could see him coming up with some convoluted rationale for "recycling" his own spunk, too. Probably into snowballing. Autospermatophagy.
▶ No.869032
>>868942
Anon he's very clearly mentally ill. I'm wondering if you think Terry is living the life he has chosen too.
▶ No.869036>>869047 >>869133 >>869207
>>869005
>literal foot-eating autist writes autistic paragraphs on mattress buying methods
>someone quotes it
>I read it
>think it's hilarious
>post "my sides"
>another fundamentally confused autist appears
>reads "my sides"
>concludes that I'm "scared of paragraphs"
>starts autisming over grammar of all things
>this he's fooling anybody but his rms-idolizing cronies
>half a dozen posts later he's still damage controlling
>"I-I just thought you were scared of rms!"
>"y-you write like a child!"
>"s-stop backpedaling!"
My sides are receiving a serious workout tonight.
>>869014
>I say GPL is dying
>therefore I must use BSD
Whatever happened to that logic you freetards used to like so much?
>>869022
Poverty and misery is exactly what those values will steer you towards, dumb fuck. Only a "genius" could have thought that'd work. Better to be a psychopath who projects a perfectly acceptable personality while perpetrating all sorts of evil behind the back of society.
▶ No.869045
>>869027
>Autospermatophagy
Oh shit I didn't need that mental image.
▶ No.869047>>869050
>>869036
You literally took the time to upload three images. I don't even know what to say at this point.
▶ No.869050>>869053 >>869067
>>869047
>you took 10 seconds to upload 3 images
>your post is invalid
▶ No.869053>>869297 >>869398
>>869050
No one said that.
▶ No.869067>>869297 >>869398
▶ No.869093>>869170 >>869342 >>869369
>>834803 (OP)
is there a distro based around suckless rocks?
▶ No.869133>>869398
>>869036
>Poverty and misery is exactly what those values will steer you towards, dumb fuck.
>wanting your things to do what you want will leave you poor
>open up your asshole for my corporate cock
Shoo shoo
▶ No.869170>>869369
>>869093
There was stali but it disappeared, like I went on their website one day and it was just gone. I didn't see a mention of it in the mailing lists or anything. There is oasis but it has some poor design decisions. There are a few others but it's probably better to just follow LFS and make your own.
▶ No.869207
>>869036
This is really pathetic.
▶ No.869292
>>868927
>emacs-nox
Bad idea. You're wrapping a terminal around a terminal. Let Emacs be its own terminal, run it graphically. You remove a lot of needless abstraction that way, and improve display capabilities, display speed, and input possibilities. Terminals encode keypresses in a really awful way that drops information and makes different keypresses appear the same.
▶ No.869296>>869310
>>834803 (OP)
where is devuan?
▶ No.869297
>>869053
it was implied
>>869067
no it isnt
▶ No.869310>>869349
>>869296
It's all wrong.
Here's what I'd make it:
OS: Gentoo (customized), Alpine, CRUX, LFS, Net/OpenBSD, (if we're allowed to include *BSDs) and 9front (if you're into that sort of thing). AntiX is more up to date than Devuan, so use that instead.
WM: cwm and ratpoison/stumpwm
Video Player: ffplay
Image Viewer: sxiv
File Manager: terminal, or mc (I prefer mc to ranger, but a lot of people like ranger so it's fine too).
Text Editor: ed and nvi (okay, go ahead and use vim).
Shell: ash or ksh
Browser: All are terrible.
Terminal: I use urxvt but I'm sure there are better options (I don't like st).
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▶ No.869349
>>869310
>OS
+sabotage, SMGL
>WM
+bspwm, spectrwm, dwm
>Video Player: ffplay
ffplay is not supposed to be a full video player, only a reference implementation. mpv is the only good choice.
>File Manager: terminal, or mc (I prefer mc to ranger, but a lot of people like ranger so it's fine too).
There's vifm too. Lighter than ranger, but it got tabs and cascading columns recently.
>Text Editor: ed and nvi (okay, go ahead and use vim).
Light emacs implementations like mg/joe/jed are fine too, modalcuck.
▶ No.869369
>>869170
>>869093
There's Morpheus too.
▶ No.869388>>869498
>OS
Void. It's the best distro for me, it scores highest for me in that quiz thing and I've tried all the runners up.
>WM
dwm only one with a half decent workflow.
>video/music
mpv, cmus. Music players all seem terrible. foobar is better.
>image viewer
feh
>file manager
They are all terrible and it's unsolvable. I use ranger but it's a joke in many ways.
>text editor
vim for larping but I use spacemacs for actual work.
>shell
All garbage. Fish is the most usable.
>Browser
minimal??? I use chrome because firefox has never worked with my hardware.
>Terminal
I used xterm for the longest time. I've been using kitty for the past few days and it's fine. But terminals are a lost cause. Even if someone made some super great terminal I'd still be running the same dog shit commands in it.
▶ No.869398>>869400 >>869439 >>869467 >>869477
>>869053
Then what the fuck are you trying to say, brainlet? Are you just going to narrate everything I do like an autist who repeats every sounds he hears? Write coherently or stop replying to me.
>>869067
>this argumentation
no u :3
>>869133
>hurr corporate cock
What good is free software if nobody uses it?People refuse to use libraries and tools because they're GPL. Choosing the GPL is a death sentence to your project. People would rather read its source code and reimplement it under BSD than use your software. This has happenend so many times it's not even funny. Not even important things like GCC are safe. The only possible reason people choose GPL nowadays is to "give other free software developers advantages", as preached by Patriarch Stallman. Even that is fallacious, since one of the freedoms he so generously gave away is the freedom to study the software. By knowing how it works, you can produce clean-room copies under your own license. That advantage never exists for long when it comes to anything important.
So you freetards deliberately exclude yourselves from lucrative markets for no reason at all. You people remind me of those monks who refuse to eat anything for long periods of time in order to attain spiritual enlightenment. You restrict yourselves to literal donationware while enabling competing software under different licenses to flourish. That's why GPL doesn't deserve to be taken seriously, not even as a "virus" as the meme goes. The fact is software produced using knowledge gained by studying GPL'd software need not be GPL'd. Don't email rms about that, he might have an autistic meltdown and scramble his lawyers to fix the loophole just like the tivo situation. Let the man hold onto whatever credibility he still has left.
We're in a thread dedicated to eliminating bloat. GNU is one of the biggest offenders in the bloat department. In fact, lots of software posted here only exists because GNU sucks so much it offended the people responsible. The sentiment grows with each day; more and more software spawns under BSD licenses every day while GPL adoption plummets. The days of "GNU/Linux" are counted. That is the heart of the matter. Your "genius" is already forgotten. Nobody cares anymore.
▶ No.869400
>>869398
<this argumentation
>implying it was an argument
Don't deliberately misrepresent other people's posts, scumbag. I can see through your bullshit.
▶ No.869439
>>869398
>Choosing the GPL is a death sentence to your project.
Stopped reading right there. This contradicts reality, and the reality is that GNU/Linux is GPL, most of the well-known and loved projects are GPL, and your cuck license has brought you nothing. If I contribute to a project I expect code back from anyone that uses it. Kill yourself, luser.
▶ No.869467>>869482 >>869485
>>869398
>People refuse to use libraries and tools because they're GPL
[citation needed]
▶ No.869477
>>869398
Talk about damage control.
▶ No.869482>>869487
>>869467
If it's incompatible with your project then of course you are not going to use it. Not everyone agrees with retroactively forcing people to comply with their views.
Though GPLed software is more often avoided because it's typically lower quality.
▶ No.869485
>>869467
To be fair, this is true. But mostly among a minority of autists who will literally use proprietary software over the GPL because of "muh BSD" more than any ethical reason. They're more interested in the GPL insofar how minimal it is, and see the (real albeit sparse) consequences of the GPL being deployed in projects like Plan9 and resent that--but for, again, really superficial reasons more than any deep ethical dilemma.
It's kind of amazing that this whole flamewar started from an idle criticism of this guy's fear of paragraphs (ostensibly) and somehow mutated into a glorified shit flinging contest about the gpl spurred on by what I can only assess is some serious insecurity about bsd and its legitimacy.
▶ No.869487
>>869482
How is it retroactively forcing people to do anything retroactively if gpl's key characteristic is that said people don't use that software in the first place?
▶ No.869498>>869500 >>869522
>>869388
>xterm
what's your configuration? I'm always off-put by xterm's defaults.
▶ No.869500
>>869498
Don't be a gplcuck.
▶ No.869522>>869559
>>869498
I don't really have one. Just colors in .Xresources. Usually it's the shell that makes things look/be useful. Pic related is fish, dash and bash in xterm.
▶ No.869559>>869630
>>869522
>using fixed while enabling bold fonts
▶ No.869613
>>859121
a properly built kernel would never be that big
▶ No.869630
>>869559
congrats on having eyes.
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