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 No.830478>>830570 >>831303 >>831615 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Is decentralization just a meme?

 No.830481>>830521

What specifically is (((Torba))) talking about here?


 No.830483

yes


 No.830494>>830515

Context for pic? I know he cannot be talking about GNUSoc.


 No.830514

no


 No.830515

>>830494

think he's talking about the butt coin makers


 No.830521>>830565

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>>830481

Ethereum is one.

>Ethereum is a decentralized platform that runs smart contracts: applications that run exactly as programmed without any possibility of downtime, censorship, fraud or third party interference.

https://www.ethereum.org

they say they're anti censorship but really they want to ban "nazis" and allow CP.


 No.830540>>830545

no, drown yourself you bootlicking russian cryptocommunist scum, go back to the gulag from where you were born you heathen ogre


 No.830545

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 No.830547>>830549 >>831083

This is a LIE. Gab had two people tell them they wouldn't be acceptable on their networks - Tor, and Ethereum. Tor was the big Daily Stormer debate, Ethereum was some guy on twitter.

This is part of the big Gab scam: They're starting an ICO, and they need to rile up the alt-right to get their money.


 No.830549>>830551

>>830547

Gab can't exist anyway on .ai as there are all sorts of rules against offensive speech.


 No.830551

>>830549

Besides the point. Gab is run by two kikes starting an ICO to make money from NRX and Alt-Right.


 No.830565>>831082 >>831582

>>830521

Source on Ethereum banning natsocs? Personally I agree with the statement that simple possession of CP isn't the issue; it's the production that's the problem.


 No.830570

>>830478 (OP)

>Is decentralization just a meme?

no, but whatever context you expect us to know of is


 No.831082>>831093 >>831307

>>830565

>Vinay Gupta‏ @leashless

>I don't deny your right to do what you want with your own tools in your own time. But I'm telling you this, and I am not to be fucked with: most of us will not rest until we figure out how to fuck you if you colonize our platform. We are hostile to your goals. Be elsewhere.

>Vinay Gupta‏ @leashless

>If you try to twist our work into a weapon for your cultural war, it will damage our attempt to transform the global economy. You will be in our way, and we will fuck you. We are smart: in all probability it can be done without platform changes. Get your own toys. Get off ours.

>Vinay Gupta‏ @leashless

>Go and build your own infrastructure, you dumb motherfuckers.

>You want to parasitize our hard work with your massively bigoted political project, and you expect us to just roll over?

>Don't be fucking stupid. We have backbone. We have will. We will fight back. Lots of Jews too.


 No.831083>>831315 >>831514

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>>830547

> some guy on twitter

"some guy"

nice try chaim.

If the Ethereum project was opposed to what he tweeted they'd tell him to delete it or make their own tweets saying it was false.

The reality is these open source decentralized projects are all run by pro-censorship communists and the only censorship they actually oppose is the censorship of CP.


 No.831093

>>831082

Wow what a crazy moron. Builds a framework for decentralized apps to avoid censorship, and then implies that he can and should apply censorship to it.


 No.831303>>831336 >>831345

>>830478 (OP)

Open federated networks like Mastodon, Diaspora and GNU Social will tend towards censorship when the big instances begin to blocking allegedly illegal or controversial instances, then turning against any instances federating with the blocked instances. Filesharing without an encrypted overlay network, like opennet IPFS and torrents, are also subject to censorship.

To solve the problems of centralized social networks that a decentralized network sets out to tackle in the first place, a sustainable decentralized social network will have to be resilient to mass surveillance from both malicious nodes and network level adversaries (such entities must be assumed to have motivation to control the network regardless of their political affiliation), and should have an open and immutable content/destination/identity indexing system, such as a blockchain or monitoring resistant DHT, as opposed to centralized trackers or I2P's trust based user-curated address books.


 No.831307>>831314

>>831082

>I am not to be fucked with

lmao ok tough guy. what is he gonna do, take a shit in my driveway?


 No.831314

>>831307

I guess he could sage your thread on 8ch.net.


 No.831315

>>831083

He no longer represents the project in any official capacity. He is just "some guy".


 No.831336>>831345 >>831441

>>831303

Freenet (and similar) have a great anti-censorship track record. Freenet itself is only missing onion routing capabilities. If Freenet onion routed between nodes, pedos on it would be safe for another decade or more!


 No.831345

>>831336

But freenet does onion routing of static content, doesn't it? And it offers ways to implement somewhat interactive content similar, pretty much the same way IPFS does. It's been there for many years. Peer-to-peer TCP-like connections are against the idea of freenet though.

>>831303

>should have an open and immutable content/destination/identity indexing system,

if you're building a content based network like IPFS or Freenet, yes. If not, why would you want that? But I think we should focus on actual communication networks anyway that don't focus on storing data somewhere but rather on delivering data from one node to another.

I've been imagining a WoT system similar to PGP for a while that actually solves the problem of establishing trust between keys (in the real world, PGP doesn't) while maintaining usability. This can be the base then for determining trustworthyness of mesh net nodes and platform independent automatic key exchange for instant messaging services. Is anyone here interested in working on such a project?


 No.831440

1. *Premix Routing* is a layer of "onion routing" at the beginning of a request, to protect against correlation attacks.

This will be difficult to implement, the best option is probably to divide the darknet into cells, groups of say 50 nodes within which the topology is published, and choose 2 random nodes from within the cell (with each node in the cell equally likely to be picked), to tunnel through.

Then your anonymity set is the cell.

We cannot just choose a node and then a node connected to it, because if the first node is evil, the second node may be fake.

Choosing two nodes at random from the cell prevents predecessor-probability attacks. To prevent fraction-of-a-splitfile attacks and node downtime attacks, we need the cellular structure.

Note that the above is for darknet. It's likely that we will need a completely different mechanism more like what I2P or Tor does for peer selection on opennet.

2. We cannot practically use onion routing on Darknet, but rendezvous tunnels may achieve something similar, by sending a bunch of (partially) random routed anchors out and having them meet up and use a shared secret scheme to establish a tunnel. Hence expertise with tunnels can help Freenet in the medium term. As it will slow things down we may only use it for those blocks which are predictable, or on those nodes with the strongest security requirements.


 No.831441

>>831336

1. *Premix Routing* is a layer of "onion routing" at the beginning of a request, to protect against correlation attacks.

This will be difficult to implement, the best option is probably to divide the darknet into cells, groups of say 50 nodes within which the topology is published, and choose 2 random nodes from within the cell (with each node in the cell equally likely to be picked), to tunnel through.

Then your anonymity set is the cell.

We cannot just choose a node and then a node connected to it, because if the first node is evil, the second node may be fake.

Choosing two nodes at random from the cell prevents predecessor-probability attacks. To prevent fraction-of-a-splitfile attacks and node downtime attacks, we need the cellular structure.

Note that the above is for darknet. It's likely that we will need a completely different mechanism more like what I2P or Tor does for peer selection on opennet.

2. We cannot practically use onion routing on Darknet, but rendezvous tunnels may achieve something similar, by sending a bunch of (partially) random routed anchors out and having them meet up and use a shared secret scheme to establish a tunnel. Hence expertise with tunnels can help Freenet in the medium term. As it will slow things down we may only use it for those blocks which are predictable, or on those nodes with the strongest security requirements.


 No.831500

decentralized networks require time and money no normal person has.

its a NEET dream.


 No.831514

>>831083

>cryptocurrency

>communist

Are you actually retarded?


 No.831582>>831681

>>830565

Regarding CP: Possession of CP means you need to get it somehow. If the CP-makers distributed it online, they're probably making money off it (ads), and then they can make more. It's just safer to get rid of all the degenerates with CP so the demand for it is reduced.


 No.831615

>>830478 (OP)

Ur mother's just a meme.


 No.831681>>831705 >>831718 >>831730 >>831732

>>831582

>degenerates

>>>/pol/

go back there and pretend complaining about muslims online stops them from annihilating the west


 No.831705>>831777

>>831681

shitposting chose the president. :^)


 No.831718>>831777

>>831681

go suck jewish dick


 No.831730>>831777

>>831681

and will you do any better?


 No.831732>>831777

>>831681

Drop any cheesy slices for me bro?

:^}


 No.831777




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