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Thoughts?

I hope they do it. I just want to see shit burn and chaos ensue.

>>1017857

Got to get the word out.

Can you help?

Most of the kernel programmers are under the impression that they don't have rights because their peers have told them such.

I have tried to explain to them otherwise, but it's basically explaining Property 101, and Copyright 101. Basically almost writing a brief on the subject every time as applicable to linux.

So, a video recording has also been made in American Vernacular for those who don't like to read "lawyer bullshit":

http://www.veoh.com/watch/v141917696RbH96XaD

https://openload.co/f/mT_AH3xmIUM/TruthAboutLinuxandGPLv2__.mp4

I can't do this alone and be successful however. I /have/ been doing it alone, and people then wrote 30 articles on the subject in Sep - October.

Please help.

>>1017858

/pol/ has more users, have you tried getting them on board? Most there will know what a CoC is, but a few pictures of the tranny will reel in the rest. If ESR is pushing this though, he probably reaches all the kernel devs already.

>>1017859

Tried it on regular 4chan pol, gets ignored.

I need more people to help.

I can give the arguments but I can't do all the leg work.

I've tried. Just gets ignored.

People think the issue is settled.

Tried to make a thread (with no image) on /pol/:

>"Sorry. Tor users can't upload files on this board."

>>1017865

What about using: https://invidio.us/watch?v=8x_DdsJdkGw as embed link?

Heh, I saw this same post on SoylentNews earlier. I didn't reply there, but it seems like a possible legal shitshow. You would need someone that actually has a significant amount of code to try it. It seems odd or even "wrong" to me that you could pull a currently valid user's use-rights away, but nothing about the so-called "Intellectual Property" scam really makes a lot of sense if you break it down to base principles. God speed, though. As much as I prefer Free Software, battles have to be fought on every front.

>>1017868

I suppose gpsd; it's used in every IFV in the US army as well as other stuff.

There's already a thread to contain your autism, faggot

>>1017944

>Botnet is harmless if it can't phone home and isn't involved with encryption right?

I'd like to think so, my router and laptop refuse all incoming and outgoing connections except the connection from my laptop to my router's SSH which I can use to set-up a TCP-only SOCKS5 proxy to connect to the internet.

>>1017848

Nobody's doing shit or they would have done so already. The time to act was a few months ago when the CoC was instated and when Linux was pushed out.

Nobody cares enough to bother now. Want to do something? Stop using Linux and start using OpenBSD. Port some software if it isn't there already. 9front is another system which people are using these days.

>>1017858

The majority of kernel commits in the last 20 years have come from corporations. How much non-corporate code is even in the kernel? Almost none I would wager. When you're committing as part of your job at RedHat or IBM or whatever you don't retain the rights to your code, your employer does.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT HAPPEN BUT IT IS EXTREMELY DOUBTFUL

>>1017857

If you want this, you have to fight for it.

I sent a few messages to the LKML over the period of a few weeks. One of those messages came at the right time and in the right thread.

The result was this:

http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/186624079/#186638863

https://lulz.com/linux-devs-threaten-killswitch-coc-controversy-1252/

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/09/killswitch-linux-code-of-conduct.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18060201

https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9idpyr/linux_developers_threaten_to_pull_kill_switch/

http://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/67764905/linux-developers-threaten-to-pull-kill-switch

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3690012/posts

https://www.hardocp.com/news/2018/09/23/linux_developers_threaten_to_pull_kill_switch

https://hardforum.com/threads/linux-developers-threaten-to-pull-kill-switch.1968399/

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/linux-developers-threaten-to-pull-kill-switch.247836/

https://meterpreter.org/the-new-linux-code-of-conduct-raises-controversy-and-contributors-threaten-to-revoke-code/

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/linux-devs-threaten-to-pull-contributions-513008

https://www.fark.com/comments/10174319/Linux-developers-threaten-to-pull-kill-switch-on-code-of-conduct-controversies-First-let-me-confirm-that-this-threat-has-teeth-In-other-news-Linux-basically-controls-internet

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9i2q8d/richard_stallman_the_developers_of_linux_or_any/

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/186809786/#186821638

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/186778992/#186779157

https://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2018/09/25/linux_kernal_419rc5_no_drama/

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/9imthh/discussion_how_are_developers_able_to_pull_their/

https://warosu.org/g/thread/67764738/

https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=18/09/26/127239&threshold=-1&highlightthresh=-1&commentsort=0&mode=threadtos&page=1&noupdate=1#commentwrap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5VvJiNUCIA&feature=youtu.be

http://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/67707662/epic-linux-moments

https://devrant.com/rants/1791348/linux-developers-threaten-to-pull-the-kill-switch-talking-about-giving-people-th

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/186773464/#186777046

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9hi66n/re_a_plea_to_unfuck_our_codes_of_conduct/

https://voat.co/v/technology/2732952

https://d__lyst_rm_r.name/after-sjws-take-over-linux-top-devs-are-considering-burning-it-to-the-ground/

http://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/67736529/linux-devs-threaten-to-destroy-linux-after-linus

https://www.techpowerup.com/247870/linux-community-hit-by-the-blight-of-social-justice-warfare-a-great-purge-is-coming

http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/187651128/#187655063

https://www.spinics.net/lists/kernel/msg2907535.html

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Shrinking_the_Commons:_Termination_of_Copyright_Licenses_and_Transfers_for_the_Benefit_of_the_Public

https://lobste.rs/s/crh5vj/linux_developers_threaten_pull_kill

http://kiwifarms6v775u6.onion/threads/open-source-software-community.38130/page-28

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/187078170/linux-is-under-attack

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/open-source-software-community.38130/page-35

>>1017857

(continued)

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/9im95g/the_sjws_thought_gamers_were_bad_they_have_no/

https://motls.blogspot.com/2018/09/anti-sjw-developers-threaten-to-kill.html

https://endchan.xyz/b/res/18892.html#18911

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18105046

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/linux-developers-threaten-to-pull-%E2%80%9Ckill-switch%E2%80%9D.1466174/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6G8yWTLKxU

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=c2bbcdb3dd85099af94c0e1d88248dcd&p=12447173

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/9khuel/whats_going_on_with_this_talk_of_sjws_wrecking/

https://youtu.be/zBZH0uoUZH4

https://archive.org/details/pdfy-Uy_BZ_QGsaLiJ4Zs

http://thoughtcrimeradio.net/2018/09/color-revolution-comes-to-linux-project/

https://warosu.org/g/thread/S67873712#p67874042

https://www.metafilter.com/176547/Linux-Kernel-adopts-code-of-conduct

https://tuxdigital.com/2018/10/episode-39-this-week-in-linux/

https://dis.tinychan.org/read/prog/1537131146

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/sjw-trouble-at-linux.2554778/

https://borepatch.blogspot.com/2018/10/the-cold-civil-war-comes-to-linux.html

https://lwn.net/Articles/766699/#Comments

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/9khuel/whats_going_on_with_this_talk_of_sjws_wrecking/

https://animeright.news/tokumei/open-source-leader-linus-torvalds-surrenders-linux-to-social-terrorists/

https://warosu.org/g/thread/S67897973

https://v.8ch.net/tech/res/973641.html

https://hipsterracist.wordpress.com/2018/10/02/the-nerds-geeks-brought-it-on-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-6204

https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2166287-what-do-linux-users-think-of-this-is-linux-in-jeapordy

https://www.itprotoday.com/linux/when-linux-founder-linus-torvalds-leaves-pandemonium-breaks-loose

https://forum.facepunch.com/sh/btqzc/Linux-Contributors-Threaten-to-pull-kill-switch-on-linux-due-to-CoC-Controversy/1/

http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/189255794/#189256427

http://oxwugzccvk3dk6tj.onion/tech/res/987076.html

The things is, when a programmers friend then, afterwards, says "na that bullshit because then opensource couldn't work!"

(the foundation cannot be cracked because if the foundation was cracked the building may fall, and the building cannot fall)

(No logical error here!)

The programmer believes his fellow programmer rather than me, the lawyer.

When RMS says "you can't rescind", the programmer believes RMS, the non-laywer who has a vested interest in discouraging people from rescinding, rather than me the lawyer.

When Eben Moglen, drafter of the GPLv3, says "I don't think that's right, I will write a paper about it", and then he is silent for 2 months and counting,

the programmer sees Eben's initial response and takes the issue as settled, he doesn't want to hear about the 2 month + of silence.

See, the programmers they base what is "right" and "wrong" about the law on their feelings and "gut".

I try to explain to them the foundation of the law that is applicable and how it operates regarding this fact-pattern;

they do NOT want to hear it. It conflicts with their "gut" and "common sense" and what other vested interests are telling them.

I cannot shove 10 years of being involved in the field into their heads.

I cannot even shove property 101 and copyright 101 into their head.

They just do NOT believe me.

When I talk to other lawyers, it's fine.

To programmers: NOPE TROLL, LIAR, NOT A LAWYER!

"It cannot be because these facts would threaten the foundation we have built everything on"

That is their logic: the "foundation" rests on the "building" according to them.

So I simply cannot do it alone.

I need other people to post to the lists, to post to the chans, to keep the fire burning.

I can't be sitting there for 100 turns doing capatchatas and then being told I can't post because I'm on a proxy.

I need you to do these things. I need help: other volunteers, to keep the dicussion going, to keep the flame alive, to keep the pressure on.

That is what is necessary.

And to get it through the programmers thick skulls that they do have a case, they do have options, they own Capital: they are not just Labor.

Can't do it alone.

>>1018034

>The majority of kernel commits in the last 20 years have come from corporations.

Most of these are drivers. Not the "main" kernel code.

>How much non-corporate code is even in the kernel? Almost none I would wager.

You would lose your wager

Most of the "glue" code, and the real workings of the kernel are from those old (and current: 20 pct of code is from gratis contributors even now) non-corporate contributions.

Additionally they cannot "just" re-implement the code if license to it is rescinded: as that may very-well violate the copyright (since it's clearly inspired from the old code and really just a re-implementation), more litigation ensues to determine this.

>When you're committing as part of your job at RedHat or IBM or whatever you don't retain the rights to your code, your employer does.

So what? I have _always_ addressed this. I have always been talking about the thousands and thousands of gratis contributors, and not the corporate wage-slave code.

Second, as a flat statement: you again do not know of what you speak.

The issue there is "work for hire". Does your code constitute a work-for-hire for your employer. If you have signed an agreement assigning them the copyright for a payment or other consideration: yes. Absent that: If you are an independent contractor: probably not. Absent a transfer or a written agreement regarding ownership of the code, you may STILL own your copyrights as they may not be works-for-hire as defined by the copyright statute. There have been papers written on this.

Stop being defeatist. The old non-corporate code is the life-blood of the kernel. A company adding drivers (the vast majority of the corp code), or a file system here and there does not "override" the value of the other code.

You have to understand this. It is not a "common sence" area of study. Dumb-ass peasants who are moving shit from a barn to a field have no seat at the "argue the law" table. Their skills are not relevant, their life experiences do not inform them on how the law works.

>>1018034

>Nobody's doing shit or they would have done so already. The time to act was a few months ago when the CoC was instated and when Linux was pushed out.

No is wasn't you FUCKING moron. Do you know how long it takes to prepare a case? Do you? You are a FUCKING retard.

People: This is a demoralization campagin, as if you don't file a lawsuit immediatly "the time has passed"

RETARDED STUPID WHITE ""MMAAALLLLEEE"" programmers accept this. Just as they accept women ruling over them, just as they accept sleeping on the couch, just as they accept not having cute young girls.

They are FAGGOTS. White men are _FAGGOTS_. 2 months is NNNOOOTTHHIIINNNGGGG. Most cases go on for 10 years. TEN years. And that's just piddling "lets fight over 10k non-payed wages" bullshit.

So you just accept these pieces of shit saying:

1) You have no rights.

2) The time has passed.

Oh so after 2 months you suddenly don't own your code anymore? Is that the argument?

But you will listen to these faggots.

You believe them.

You believe the bullshit they spew to stop you from seeking out a lawyer, seeking out other aggreved parties, banding together, recinding as a bloc (as is your RIGHT: you can do it ANY time, not just "oh when the time is right).

You fucking people just don't know the law, you think your "common sense" is the law. you will NOT listen to people who are studied in the subject, instead you listen to demoralizers who simply do not want you to begin the legal action.

Fucking faggot pieces of shit. "Yes maam, I'll sleep on the couch".

The time did not pass. The time has not yet come. It takes FAR more than 2 months to set up an action such as this. Fucking white scum.

>>1018106

>>1018108

MikeeUSA is all talk and no action. Why don't you go ahead and rescind the license of your Linux contributions?

>>1018108

>>1018106

Triggered you so hard you had to respond twice, LOL.

>>1018215

MikeeUSA has Multiple Personality Disorder. He is probably also schizophrenic.

bump for ESR

>>1018173

>>1018164

https://slashdot.org/submission/9076900/author-rescinds-gpl-licensed-code-from-geek-feminists

>Author rescinds GPL licensed code from "Geek Feminists"

What does ESR really feel?

>>1018718

An unearned sense of superiority.

Thoughts on ESR?

>>1018718

How do you /really/ feel about ESR (gib details)

>p46 "As long as the project continues to honor the terms of the licenses under which it recieved contributions, the licenses continue in effect. There is one important caveat: Even a perpetual license can be revoked. See the discussion of bare licenses and contracts in Chapter 4"

--Lawrence Rosen

>p56 "A third problem with bare licenses is that they may be revocable by the licensor. Specifically, /a license not coupled with an interest may be revoked./ The term /interest/ in this context usually means the payment of some royalty or license fee, but there are other more complicated ways to satisfy the interest requirement. For example, a licensee can demonstrate that he or she has paid some consideration-a contract law term not found in copyright or patent law-in order to avoid revocation. Or a licensee may claim that he or she relied on the software licensed under an open source license and now is dependent upon that software, but this contract law concept, called promissory estoppel, is both difficult to prove and unreliable in court tests. (The concepts of /consideration/ and /promissory estoppel/ are explained more fully in the next section.) Unless the courts allow us to apply these contract law principles to a license, we are faced with a bare license that is revocable.

--Lawrence Rosen

>p278 "Notice that in a copyright dispute over a bare license, the plaintiff will almost certainly be the copyright owner. If a licensee were foolish enough to sue to enforce the terms and conditions of the license, the licensor can simply revoke the bare license, thus ending the dispute. Remeber that a bare license in the absence of an interest is revocable."

--Lawrence Rosen

Lawrence Rosen - Open Source Licensing - Sofware Freedom and Intellectual property Law

>p65 "Of all the licenses descibed in this book, only the GPL makes the explicity point that it wants nothing of /acceptance/ of /consideration/:

>...

>The GPL authors intend that it not be treated as a contract. I will say much more about this license and these two provisions in Chapter 6. For now, I simply point out that the GPL licensors are in essentially the same situation as other open source licensors who cannot prove offer, acceptance, or consideration. There is no contract."

--Lawrence Rosen

>The "lol no" contingent also says that anyone who tried to rescind would be blackballed from the industry.

>What will everybody else think about what you done?

They're arguing like women

>>1018980

I honestly don't get the hate-mob he gets. That said, I think he's wrong on the GPLv2 being rescind-able. Otherwise, every GPL'd project would be _fucked_ big-time, not just Linux.

>>1019377

People do not destroy a thing they love and are building. That is why the GPL'd projects have not been fucked yet.

Also litigation costs money.

Now the men, sorry, the MAAALLLESSS, that built the thing are being tossed aside.

There is now reason to act.

>>1017868

Neither RMS nor LBT have done anything of value in decades either.

>>1019377

So be it

Let everything burn

>>1019372

Nah, worrying about your potential income and employment in the future is a masculine thing. It's not about what some random faggot thinks, the problem is what the faggot CEO that you're gonna to try to convince to give you money will think.

>>1018103

>>1018104

>crossposting spam lawyer at it again

real human bean

>>1018980

he supported iraq invasion, so he's a zionist daemon

Jim Watson should take ESR to the pig shed

>>1019648

>Nah, worrying about your potential income and employment in the future is a masculine thing.

Spoken like a true wagecuck lmao

>>1019648

You know what a wage-cuck is known as to the law?

A servant.

And the employer?

A master.

Real masculine, submitting even your mind to another.

>>1019655

Would you rather the programmers suffer though years of schooling on the subject instead?

>>1019496

>And I don't know wtf he did for Linux kernel, but he did port some text games, so that's cool.

The text games will be around long after linux is gone or subsumed; because they're actual art and bring joy. What does system programming bring but grief? (Just a necessary evil)... and yet everyone would rather reinvent the wheel 200 times in systems programming then make some games that will be still be played into posterity.

What does ESR code today?

>>1019956

Irrelevant shit in Go. Protip: ESR is a LARPer

>>1020017

What do you code?

>>1020376

>/tech/

>code

I'm a LARPer. Just like all of /tech/.

>>1020387

But I code C, QuakeC, Perl, PHP, and Law.

Am I misplaced here?

>>1020397

>LARPing

You fit right in.

ESR is a glownigger. Rescinders should just rescind. No need to even have PR enter into it.

>>1020760

>>1020017

>>>/trannypol/ asshurt for glowing in the dark.

>>1019666

So he is a turbokike after all? After Stallman being a birdcuck glowkike?

>>1020768

Are you arguing that rescinders need to carefully consider PR before they yank their projects? And you're calling ME a kike?

They should pull their code and let the Jews kvetch.

>>1020773

>They should pull their code and let the Jews kvetch.

How to make the dream reality.

Fun Fact: MANY would-be recinders think they Donated their code when they only License (lent) it! They think they have no recourse.

How do we reach these?

Bump

Archived 4chan discussion: https://warosu.org/g/thread/S69460068

>>1020773

I am suggesting that ESR is like Molymeme

>>1022439

In what way?

..

What are Eric's thoughts on the CoCduct?

Any news from the 'vine