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https://archive.is/NW3wM
>"I think our code quality is higher, just because that's really a big focus for us," De Raadt says.
>"Linux has never been about quality. There are so many parts of the system that are just these cheap little hacks, and it happens to run."
>As for Linus Torvalds , who created Linux and oversees development, De Raadt says, "I don't know what his focus is at all anymore, but it isn't quality"
How can a man be so redpilled?
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▶ No.1009948>>1011054
Any update on this image?
▶ No.1009952>>1009955 >>1010607 >>1010900
>>1009897 (OP)
OpenBSD programmers and users are overwhelmingly white and male. Here's why that needs to change.
▶ No.1009955
>>1009952
We need more feminists in burning buildings. Here's why that's a good thing
▶ No.1009969
>>1009897 (OP)
If you look and compare it's astounding actually. Take the coreutils, the GNU versions are boated as fuck and all follow a mishmash of weird conventions many of which were added by certain corporate sponsors in a one-off fashion. If anybody read the 'The Design And Implementation of the ____BSD Operating System" series, you'll see why Theo and the BSD people are right.
▶ No.1009972
Thank god i still use winxp with patches.
Theres a good damn reason why the cianiggers still use it: because it's prefect.
▶ No.1010007>>1010394 >>1010397 >>1010518
That OpenBSD TRIM support is on schedule for 2024.
▶ No.1010012>>1010021 >>1010024 >>1011008 >>1011018
Linux is to me what Windows was when I was 14. Used as sparingly as possible.
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>>1010012
>bash
>i3
might as well use linux at that point instead of LARPing in IRC
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>>1010021
i3 is BSD not GPL
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>>1010026
its not about licensing, its about software
you literally have no reason to use BSD unless you're a suckless fag or /pol/shit muh CoC
i3 and bash are pretty bloated, so it doesn't fit into the first category, and bash is "muh GNU viruz", so you can't possibly use both while fitting into the last
▶ No.1010035>>1015752
>>1010030
>you literally have no reason to use BSD unless you're a suckless fag or /pol/shit muh CoC
Or maybe you want to secure your computer as much as you can.
▶ No.1010042
>>1010030
>not using suckless tools to gas the kikes
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▶ No.1010060
>>1010030
>you literally have no reason to use BSD unless you're a suckless fag or /pol/shit muh CoC
with such arbitrary justification i might as well use openbsd as my daily driver :^)
▶ No.1010070
>>1010030
>Actually wanting a CoC shoved up your ass.
▶ No.1010352
>> 1010070
Being that much of a cuck that you think they could enforce a CoC against you
▶ No.1010354>>1010360
>OpenBSD
>lolberg licence autism
>port system with no build time options is an Arch tier joke compared to the other BSDs
>ancient packages (ffmpeg 2.8.15 is secure, just care about the base, goy)
▶ No.1010356>>1010357
>>1009897 (OP)
The performance says otherwise though. What does Theo even mean by “code quality”? The fact that it's well-documented and easy to read? If so, this doesn't make a piece of software better for the end user, only for the developers.
▶ No.1010357>>1010358
>>1010356
>Oy vey if you enable botnet features such as SMT, and if you disable all the security protections, the system will run "faster"!
>Disable all your security goy! Enable Intel(r) HyperThreading(tm)!
>openbsd BTFO amirite goy.
▶ No.1010358
>>1010357
>worse is better
▶ No.1010360>>1010361 >>1010401
>>1010354
Meanwhile, in Linux
> systemd improve sekurity, lol #notabug
> don't worry about the base, goyim
> don't worry about all the nice corporates that own the kernel
▶ No.1010361>>1010364
>>1010360
>third-party software is somehow the fault of Linux
Nice straw man.
▶ No.1010364>>1010366 >>1010406
>>1010361
> optional 3rd party software is okay when it's on Linux
> optional 3rd party software is not okay when it's on OpenBSD
> nevermind also that 99% of Linux users are too dumb to not run systemd
> defending redhat cianiggers this hard
McFucking kill -9 $$, my man.
▶ No.1010366
>>1010364
>> optional 3rd party software is not okay when it's on OpenBSD
What?
▶ No.1010394>>1010455
>>1010007
Don't use SSD, problem solved. HDDs should be enough for anybody.
▶ No.1010397>>1010399
>>1010007
I turn off TRIM support on Windows anyway.
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>>1010364
>not maintaining important third-party packages like ffmpeg isn't OpenBSD's fault
▶ No.1010448
>>1010406
If that's what matters to you, stick with Linux. It's no skin off anyone else's back.
▶ No.1010455>>1010485
>>1010399
If you have a modern computer, you wont need to have TRIM enabled. But you should just use HDDs, like >>1010394 said. Don't fall for the SSD meme, unless you have low-end laptop or something.
▶ No.1010456>>1010460
>>1010030
>you literally have no reason to use BSD unless you're a suckless fag or /pol/shit muh CoC
>i3 and bash are pretty bloated,
you don't know wtf you are talking about.
opinion discarded.
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>>1010456
You're the one who doesn't know shit, nigger. Compare i3 with bspwm or spectrwm and bash with mksh or even zsh.
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>>1010460
I admit that zsh is better than bash, however, mksh hasn't been very stable in my experience (I have used it in Arch, idk if it's better on *BSD)
But how exactly is i3 bloated? (I haven't used the other WMs you mentioned)
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>>1010469
Most of that shit you should already have installed. I'll take the extra one or two MB RAM usage for a twm with commands and bindings that make sense.
▶ No.1010474
>>1010473
Just how old is that fucking graph?
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>>1010473
m8, did you read the post?
>Most of that shit you should already have installed
But that's wrong. All that perl shit isn't installed anywhere here.
You could reply to the rest too. Like the lack of IPC client or the bloat of wanting to do everything but worse (because, yes, sxhkd is really good). As I already said in the post I linked, I used to use i3 too, so it's not like I'm talking out of my ass for internet points.
It's more your job to convince me (and yourself) that a tenfold source code and a big ass dependency tree brings something to the table other than a more centralized config file. For a lack of better answer, I'll just consider this as a babby duck outburst. What it probably is.
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>>1010479
Half of that shit you will need to install if you plan on using x11
▶ No.1010481
>>1010480
The fuck am i saying. You're using gentoo so you will be bloated out the ass anyway.
▶ No.1010483>>1010484
>>1010480
>half of 30 dependencies for an X11 WM is X11 stuff
Thank god!
▶ No.1010484
>>1010483
>emerge 1000 programs to compile x11
>sage just so you don't know how ass blasted i am
m8
▶ No.1010485>>1010486
>>1010455
>Don't fall for the SSD meme, unless you have low-end laptop or something.
Oh man, FUCK moving parts. The less of them there are in machines, the happier I am. HDDs are dead to me.
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>>1010485
literally what, SSDs fail just as much or worse, all to slightly speed up that pajeetcode
▶ No.1010518>>1014813
>>1010007
SSDs haven't needed TRIM in years dumbshit. Why would they code a feature only used on old hardware?
▶ No.1010570>>1010632 >>1011184
>>1010466
What version of mksh and what problems? I use it as login shell for my user accounts (but not root or system accounts) on Devuan without any issues.
KSH_VERSION='@(#)MIRBSD KSH R54 2016/11/11'
OpenBSD uses pdksh though, which is a little different.
KSH_VERSION='@(#)PD KSH v5.2.14 99/07/13.2'
And I think NetBSD uses a different one altogether. Ksh93 or something.
>>1010480
X kinda sucks though. Not much point caring about how many extra kilobytes your WM uses >>1010473, when the X server itself is sucking up 50 MB. Take the FRAMEBUFFER PILL for instant fat loss.
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>>1009952
>OpenBSD programmers and users are overwhelmingly white and male. Here's why that needs to change.
Absolutely problematic
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>>1009897 (OP)
>>1010460
>>1010466
>>1010570
Can we at least be honest and recognize that a shell having scripting features(can't forget its interpreter) is fucking retarded? All you need a shell to do is invoke programs and possibly pipe shit from one program to another(which itself is a shit replacement/alternative for programming libraries).
It amazes me the fucking retards that think their 50-100 line shell script is, "minimal". They aren't cognizant of the fact that the dependencies for their shitty script is comprised of hundreds of thousands of lines of code; they not only need whatever shell they're using but also whatever utils they're calling. Fun task: check the root directory of latest version of the BASH source tree. You will see 4 files in the root directory that alone contain over 25,000 LoC(three 5,000 LoC and one 10,000 LoC) in a project that contains hundreds of files and directories. BUT REMEMBER GUIZ, IT'S MINIMALZ! Hint: many of the alternative shells aren't much different and contribute to the same problem.
Write discrete programs you fucking feral apes.
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>>1010607
Look at all that cultural appropriation! I'm triggered. Literally shaking now.
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>>1010607
>all those thinkpads
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>>1010632
>Can we at least be honest and recognize that a shell having scripting features(can't forget its interpreter) is fucking retarded?
No.
>All you need a shell to do is invoke programs and possibly pipe shit from one program to another(which itself is a shit replacement/alternative for programming libraries).
Why wouldn't you want flow control in a scripting language?
>It amazes me the fucking retards that think their 50-100 line shell script is, "minimal".
The script itself can be minimal.
>They aren't cognizant of the fact that the dependencies for their shitty script is comprised of hundreds of thousands of lines of code; they not only need whatever shell they're using but also whatever utils they're calling. Fun task: check the root directory of latest version of the BASH source tree. You will see 4 files in the root directory that alone contain over 25,000 LoC(three 5,000 LoC and one 10,000 LoC) in a project that contains hundreds of files and directories. BUT REMEMBER GUIZ, IT'S MINIMALZ! Hint: many of the alternative shells aren't much different and contribute to the same problem.
dash/ash/busybox ash and even mksh are so much smaller that your argument is simply nil. And even then, how is it an argument against shell as a gluing language? I'd argue TCL could replace it well, but the point still stand.
>Write discrete programs you fucking feral apes.
Why? What don't you understand in modularity and reusability, you monolithic faggot?
▶ No.1010782>>1010807
>>1010704
>Why? What don't you understand in modularity and reusability, you monolithic faggot?
You are creating so much cruft and unnecessary code just to make things "modular" while simultaneously not realizing that the dependencies you create/include are fucking huge.
Additionally, programming libraries are modular(especially if statically linked) and reusable. I shouldn't have to justify their existence.
>dash/ash/busybox ash and even mksh are so much smaller that your argument is simply nil.
28,351 SLoC for the c source files alone in the latest Dec 4 revision of mksh; that doesn't include the remaining stuff in the repo and the utility programs you call/pipe shit to. You, yes you, can write all your scripts as independent discrete programs instead and the total number of dependencies as well as needed logic will be significantly less than the script versions. This is the crux of my argument.
>And even then, how is it an argument against shell as a gluing language? I'd argue TCL could replace it well, but the point still stand.
The argument is that the shell shouldn't be glue at all since writing discrete programs results in less needed dependencies, less SLoC(which means easier to audit and maintain), and more portability.
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>>1010782
>The argument is that the shell shouldn't be glue at all since writing discrete programs results in less needed dependencies
Wrong. Keyword being "needed", sh is guaranteed by POSIX to be here; same for a lot of other tools.
>less SLoC(which means easier to audit and maintain)
Are you retarded? How does using sh means you have to maintain it? It would be fun seeing a retard like you reimplement sed in C just for a simple ERE replacement.
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>>1010486
when SSDs fail you only lose write acess, when hard drives fail you don't even get that
▶ No.1010833
There's always a trade off between code quality and how many features you support. When implementing features, you eventually arrive at one where the code is impossible to write cleanly, or very difficult, or you're just not willing to do it. So either you implement it badly or not at all. Linux takes the former path, BSD is the latter. Kind of dumb to compare them.
▶ No.1010893>>1010953
and yet my openbsd computer gets slower and slower the more uptime it has, like it's windows 7
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>>1009952
Actually, great initiative. This means more feminists are going to die in a fire.
I prefer this 50000000000 times more than women in tech.
Should we promote this on social networks?
Other interesting ideas could be women in construction work and in mining.
▶ No.1010903
>>1010607
>autistic
>weebs
>thinkpads
OpenBSD is maximum /tech/.
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>>1010900
It's a good idea until your house burns down, and some wealking womyn has to carry you out of a burning building
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>>1010893
$ uptime
XX:XXXX up 12 days, 23:49, 6 users, load averages: 5.44, 5.30, 5.36
and i'm running firefox with over 30 tabs open and no problem
go back to your wangblows 7 if you believe it's better than superior openbsd
>>1010930
>he depends on other people to save him
>he doesn't walk out of the burning building like a true chad
absolutely p a t h e t i c
▶ No.1010963
It's sad because while I really do love it, I also need to use modern hardware...
▶ No.1011008
>>1010012
>Code Envy R
my nigger
▶ No.1011018
>>1010012
is jorde kang your name?
▶ No.1011019>>1011020 >>1011023 >>1011069 >>1011576
OpenBSD is based. But Linux got taken over by SJeWs because thats how they operate, they infiltrate a community (games, anime, computers) and enforce their shitty politically correct retardation. If they werent given room to talk they wouldnt be there.
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>>1009897 (OP)
I would rather avoid Linux and I will happily replace it with the Hurd when it's finally completed 200 years in the future (though I am still using Devuan, because my hardware violently rejects OpenBSD and NetBSD, though I will probably build a PC that runs them in a few months), but the BSDs are kinda crap as well, even more outdated in many ways. Maybe Haiku is good and usable, I should try it soon, but clearly we need something new that isn't based on old shit, especially Unix (we already have way too many Unixes and they are all shit, so fuck that).
I have a lot to learn before I can do that myself, though, but that is one of my goals. "Just fork it" is killing software design. Learning from someone else's work is fine, but at this point people just make slightly different variants of shit that already exists. Crazy levels of stagnation and lack of creativity. When you have a shitty wheel, you should probably reinvent it instead of bitching about it but still insisting that making something new is a waste of time, just saying.
>>1010632
The real problem is that people seem to think that this supposed minimalism is quality. They are fighting against crap user interfaces made by retards while completely defeating the point of having a user interface in the first place. Things could be a lot better if people focused on designing good interfaces for actual human use. Making something customizable, intuitive and efficient is possible, a customizable and light desktop environment usable by everyone, with many presets, can be made, the problem is that no one is actually doing it (XFCE is the best one easily, but it's still limited, and could be more efficient), and people are replacing bad ideas and bad features with no ideas, and no features. That's why I'm really feeling the need to implement my own designs. The fact that no one else has created something good yet represents pretty well just how bad things are. I am an incompetent fuck with good ideas. Someone else should probably do it, but apparently I'm the only person available, so fuck it, I have to do it, but it sure will take a while.
>>1011019
CDE makes me happy, for some reason.
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>>1011019
Nice picture. Are you aware of CDE's security holes? I am still content to see it, though.
▶ No.1011026
>>1011020
yeah, it doesnt use a lot of memory and it looks good. i like it
>>1011023
oh no, i wasnt :x
▶ No.1011054
>>1009897 (OP)
Linux is the best compromise between freedom, quality and usability.
>>1009948
This is quite unfortunate. I still have hope that linus is gonna come back and act his former self again. If he doesnt I might have to start looking around for alternatives.
▶ No.1011068
>>1010953
tell me whats wrong you fucking faggot
▶ No.1011069>>1011211
>>1011019
Plenty of openbsd devs are already SJWs
▶ No.1011136>>1011142 >>1011156
>>1011020
All those modern desktop shits are lame anyway. Just throw them all in the trash. Look at the 80's stuff like Amiga, Atari, Mac and see what they accomplished with only 512K RAM 68000 computer. Hell, even look at SymbOS which needs only 64K RAM Z80 computer. And all of those run fine from just floppy disk. Everything that has been done since then is simply garbage. The *nix desktops try to "compete" against Windows, to see who can win the stupidly bloated special olympics! Then you get to choose between retard and full retard, but never anything good.
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>>1011136
I forgot how good and inviting mono orange looks, even just on my LCD. White and green a shit.
▶ No.1011146>>1012050
>>1011142
<<orangetext when
▶ No.1011148>>1011175
>>1009897 (OP)
Yet installing a non-ancient C++ compiler is a pain.
OpenBSD is effectively unusable unless you use computers only to shitpost on the chans and start arguments on IRC.
▶ No.1011156
>>1011136
That's one of the main issues and why I would like to learn from old software. The fact that it was possible to do so much with so little back then proves that something went horribly wrong since the 90s. And very little innovation happened in the actual user interfaces, so there is no excuse for everything to be this inefficient. With the hardware that we have now, GUIs should be completely trivial even with almost limitless customization options. Maybe it could still boot instantly as well, that would be nice.
Windows reflects the bloat well enough on its own. Look at just how little a newer version of Windows can do that Windows 95 can't and the seemingly reasonable RAM usage of even supposedly minimal setups becomes difficult to justify. Windows has been pretty much the same thing for a long time, but it just keeps demanding more and more resources and keeps getting worse for the most part. Windows 7 is usable. The newer ones aren't.
Other than Windows, Unix is basically the only alternative and at this point it's the OS version of Frankenstein's monster. It wasn't even made for personal computers in the first place. Nothing else survived, and nothing new has been made successfully in decades. Software is probably the best example of just how disastrously capitalism can fail a lot of the time. The solution will definitely not come from money, it will come from autism. Or it will never happen and things will only keep getting worse. That just makes suicide look even more appealing than it already does. I want to make at least one decent contribution. I already hate my life anyway, so I might as well try to make it useful.
▶ No.1011175
>>1011148
So, in $CURRENT_YEAR usabliity implies botnet (which in turn implies that non-botnet implies non-usability)?
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>>1010570
>Take the FRAMEBUFFER PILL for instant fat loss.
Do any modern web browsers work in frame buffer mode?
▶ No.1011201
>>1011184
Nothing that's designed for Web 2.0 compliance, but then again those are much bigger than X itself.
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>>1011069
This. One of the OpenBSD devs run an BSD chat channel that has adopted a CoC that is arguably even worse than what we have seen in the past. There was a pretty raunchy thread about it on the openbsd subreddit a while ago.
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>>1011211
> some BSD "chat" adopted a CoC
Oh wow, man. We better all go install GNU/systemdicks lickety-split.
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>>1011232
it's run by a guy who has developed openbsd for at least the last 15 years
▶ No.1011318>>1011393
>>1010473
FVWM can be lighter than TWM if you set up the config file properly.
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>>/pol/shit muh CoC
Welcome to /pol/chan, now gas (((yourself))) faggot!
▶ No.1011393
>>1011318
FVWM can be anything. If you want customization and nothing else, it's clearly the best option. I considered using it, but configuring it would take too long, and I just need something that works, so I use XFCE (the only DE that can be customized enough to satisfy me, though it could be a lot better). People spend so much time configuring other people's shit (finishing their job to some extent, really) that they should probably just make their own WMs or DEs already. And no, that's not an implication that we need more forks. I really regret wasting so much time just making my computer work, though.
>>1011211
>subreddit
Anyway, if that is true and it bothers you, maybe consider NetBSD. I was told that it's the only operating system officially approved by the Third Reich. Hitler himself uses it.
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>>1011292
>>1011476
And nobody gives a shit about his chat. Unless Theo himself decides that OpenBSD needs a CoC, it's not happening.
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>>1011479
>i-it's just a c-c-chat!!
With all these SJWs developing OpenBSD I think it's just a matter of time before Theo cucks, he is a leaf after all. He is not as angry and virile as he used to be in his youth.
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>>1011486
Theo is from South Africa, you moron. He's not from some rich western country full of leftists that never had to live next to niggers and muslims but yet want to invite them all to destroy their culture.
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>>1011501
he has chosen to live in canada of all places, which is bascially sweden except even more cucked
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>>1011504
But the fact remains that he's South African and knows better, and he's not a cuck like Torvalds with feminist daughter. You can keep wishing for OpenBSD CoC all you want, but you've got no power, and neither does that other developer.
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>>1011019
>lain
more like lame
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>>1011514
i dont wish for it but im afraid it will happen. people on this site didnt think linus was a cuck until he cucked
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>>1011621
Stop being afraid then. If he cucks that just means we have to pick up the ball. Just get used to minimal OS and software, because I sure as hell am not coding or maintaining any Web 2.0 browser shits. That's how the cianiggers get you to waste lots of time and energy (also shit like systemd and bloated desktop environments).
▶ No.1011681
>>1009897 (OP)
>installer dumb as hell
>only manual FDE
>no known option for plausible deniability (disk encryption)
>no support for moderns filesystems
>signed packages implemented circa 2014, later than fucking Arch
>muh quality of code
>muh security
Openbsd is a meme OS
▶ No.1012018
>>1011292
Which chat is this again friend? ;^) ;^) ;^)
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>>1011146
> is green
< is red
^ is yet unused
CODEMONKEY???
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>>1011670
I want a simple and efficient operating system like this, but I also want to play video games and host servers on my computer.
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>>1012064
(((you mean this?)))
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>>1011184
You can try browsh, but it's basically webkit with libcaca renderer. I don't know if you want that kind of cancer in your fb.
https://www.brow.sh/
▶ No.1014813
>>1010518
TRIM support is still needed you fucking retard.
How do you think the firmware is going to figure out which blocks are needed and which ones can be trashed and used to store new info, by having an ext4 driver included in the firmware?
There's no way around it, less empty blocks = more writes. Enjoy your slow downs and write amplification.
▶ No.1014836
>>1014805
>Windows: .exe (requires Win 10 or newer
>You need to have Firefox 57 or newer installed.
▶ No.1014856
>>1009897 (OP)
>*nix vs *nix
Still apple and orange for me the two.
>Linux people do what they do because they hate Microsoft. We do what we do because we love Unix
Well, you should start love Unix too and stop shitting on projects because they are more popular or being a garbage. I guess, but whatever. I use Linux and used OBSD too, so i kinda know where they excel and fall short.
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>>1012058
That's an MSX computer. It has games. You can have games on any computer. Just probably not modern stuff that needs big team of programmers, artists, etc.
anyway I don't like those modern stuff
▶ No.1014943>>1014960
>>1014904
I think it depends on what era you were born into. If you were born in the 80s or the early 90s sure, those are the games you're used to play.
But if you were born in the early 90s like me and the psx was your first game system those games will look boring and you'll prefer at least some early 2000s 3d action (pic related).
Not to mention games are not even the primary concern, those systems by themselves will leave you pretty much isolated from modern civilization. You can't even send a decent looking CV on that machine. Might be able to send a plaintext email with a small jpg at most, if you have the right ethernet adapter and can get the picture from the camera onto the machine somehow. And forget about using anything on the modern web.
▶ No.1014952
>>1014906
Every dynamic entity has a general tendency to become "bloated" over time because of inertia, unless there are factors which force the pruning of slack or garbage which has accumulated. Digital/virtual systems are even much more prone to this tendency because they much less directly limited by physical constraints.
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>>1014943
Well that's debatable. I had fun with games from before my time, even stuff for mainframes like VMS Empire. And there's plenty of Earth n00bs who have fun playing NES, PC Engine, early arcade games, etc.
As for job, who cares, heh. They can keep their code farms with the mandatory botnetoli and facebookaroni.
▶ No.1014978>>1015112
>>1014960
Well, you probably can't post here for that matter either.
▶ No.1015112>>1015757
>>1014978
I can post here fine with Lynx, so you don't need nasty bloated browser. SymbOS has a network stack and some clients (dunno about web browser). Contiki also has various network clients, web included:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=PowUYedShYQ
The obvious problem is going to be SSL, but you can use a local proxy for that. Even a $15 dingleberry pi zero will do there.
Anyway we're not really talking about 8-bit computers, just simple OS that a properly motivated individual can write himself, when Linux and all other alternatives have been subverted.
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>>1011504
he had to move to canada because of CIA nigger crypto export laws, otherwise he would have been assassinated long ago
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>>1010035
>Or maybe you want to secure your computer as much as you can.
You'd need grsecurity for that.
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>>1015112
>using a SoC with 512MB storage and 1Ghz processor to larp as using an 4mhz machine with 512kb ram
cringe
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>>1015757
You're still not getting the point. SymbOS/Z80 is not the solution, it's just a working example of what can be done with minimal code on an ancient computer with tiny resources. Today, another guy can write a similarly non-bloated OS that runs on dingleberry pi, or whatever other cheap thing is available in CURRENT_YEAR.
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>>1010819
>when SSDs fail you only lose write acess, when hard drives fail you don't even get that
HAHHAHHAHAHHAH!!!
AHAHAHHHHHHHHHAHHAHHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH!
When SSDs fail, your data is GONE.