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The shitty /tv/ spoilers from a few months ago were true… We're all fucked!
>>>/tv/880240
▶ No.2282
http://archive.fo/y45uX
>The announcement, posted officially by Lucasfilm on Tuesday morning, added that Abrams will also co-write the upcoming film---and that his writing partner is Chris Terrio. That name will undoubtedly be less familiar to Star Wars fans, but the writer's legacy in film is a little more mixed, containing equal parts good (Argo won him a Best Adapted Screenplay Oscar) and the bad (he had the unenviable job of dragging the awful Batman V Superman script to the finish line).
▶ No.2285>>2298 >>2299 >>2339
https://8ch.net/tv/res/880240.html#883378
>Okay, I just got wind of another one. Apparently, they're also considering some kind of Marvel vs. Star Wars crossover thing. To prove I'm not making this up, Disney actually already leaked the idea to the public as a means to test the waters and had Stan Lee do it for them since he would be least likely to elicit a negative reaction being the "Walt Disney" of Marvel.
>Thankfully, I don't think it will happen in live action, but it may end up as an animated direct to video or TV event thing with comic book and toy tie-ins. It came from the fact that someone high up in Disney thought it would be cool to see Darth Vader fight Iron Man. Yeah, Disney is ran by really deep thinkers. They also like that Guardians of the Galaxy already taps into space opera stuff and see crossover marketing appeal for both brands. All I've gotten for an explanation of how such a cross over could happen is that "worm holes" and different dimensions would be part of the plot line.
▶ No.2286
>We're fucked
Not at all. SW is over, in universe chronologically it's a closed universe that started with Tales of the Jedi and ended with the Legacy Era.
It was the movies and the EU.
Disney SW is a spinoff, something that i don't even bother to care.
▶ No.2290>>2294
>Star Wars Prequel Prequel Trilogy
>Yes, you heard me right. Disney is considering doing a trilogy that takes place before Lucas's original prequel trilogy. It will use a different numbering scheme than the current film series, although it hasn't been completely explained to me. Supposedly this series will go over the creation of the the force, jedis, how humans reached the Star Wars universe, etc. A lot of this will be eluded to in the Last Jedi, but it will be gone over in full detail in these new prequels if they're made. Lucas will have no input on the creation of the story or characters that will be used.
>how humans reached the Star Wars universe
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>>2290
>how humans reached the Star Wars universe
wouldn't it be greatly ironic if they ctrl+v'd chris avellone's novel?
▶ No.2299>>2346
>>2285
>>Marvel vs. Star Wars crossover
I knew Disney would fuck it all up, and I'd laugh but I didn't know it was going to be this funny. I hate nu-Wars and want to see it burn, perhaps in the ashes I will feel peace with all lore books and stories.
It would have been so easy for Disney to just continue on Star Wars just as it had been, perhaps it would have costed more but it would have been a beacon
▶ No.2339>>2340 >>2342 >>2393 >>2406 >>2431
>>2285
Dude, Star Wars crosses over with other shit all the time, or did you forget when Indiana Jones found out that Bigfoot was really Chewy guarding a 200 year old wreak of the Falcon?
▶ No.2340>>2364
>>2339
>namefag
That shit was infinities branded at the time which was the non-canon seal dictating that it would have no relevance or reference in other future EU or film media. Disney shit however will have no reason to follow this kind of guideline as long as they think it'll make them money.
▶ No.2342>>2364
>>2339
Also, Indiana Jones and SW is a better fit overall since Lucas had a hand in both, much like how ETs appear in Episode II, or those few non-canon Willow crossovers. Its a better fit when its all part of the same creator's vision. However, a major motion picture event between two unrelated franchises is just a retarded and uninspired idea made solely to trick easily amused moviegoers out of more money and its definitely a bigger blow to a brand's almost non-existent dignity than a simple one shot comic about wookie bigfoot.
▶ No.2346>>2394
>>2299
Pretty sure the marvel vs star wars universe was the idea of a guy who held a fillibuster in some shitty town and it was his personal fan fic pitch to a crowd of senators.
I wonder if he could sue if they pushed it forward?
▶ No.2364>>2367 >>2406 >>2431 >>2488
>>2340
>Disney shit however will have no reason to follow this kind of guideline as long as they think it'll make them money.
Oh yes, because they are totally going to shove Marvel canon together with Star Wars…
>>2342
>However, a major motion picture event between two unrelated franchises
But it's outright NOT going to be a major motion picture, most probably it will be a direct to DVD animated movie.
Also, remember when Yoda and Darth Vader fought for Soul Calibur and Soul Edge?
▶ No.2367>>2406
>>2364
>But it's outright NOT going to be a major motion picture
That's what Wreck it Ralph 2 is for.
▶ No.2393>>2439
>>2339
>namefagging
Underage b&.
▶ No.2394>>5142
>>2346
>Pretty sure the marvel vs star wars universe was the idea of a guy who held a fillibuster in some shitty town and it was his personal fan fic pitch to a crowd of senators.
Seriously?
>I wonder if he could sue if they pushed it forward?
I don't think Patton Oswalt is particularly litigious. He seems to prefer making declarations from his twitter feed and then banning dissenters like the fat faggot he is.
▶ No.2396>>2408
>>2280 (OP)
>porgs
This is what happens when seals and penguins fuck
▶ No.2406>>2429 >>2495
>>2364
>>2339
You're not seriously defending Disney are you? On this board of all places? If your point is that crossover shit won't be any worse than it usually is, then I agree, but the point is this bullshit is happening and its called Social Media the Movie >>2367
▶ No.2408>>3986
>>2396
This is what happens when you let young idiots fresh out of Deviantart design something they think will appeal to kids based solely on how many of hundreds of kids in a test room responded to several dozen mascot toys. These things were purely design with easy and cheap merchandising in mind rather than genuine creativity or simply being a happy accident that got popular. This is as bad, if not worse than the Ewoks.
▶ No.2429
>>2406
Don't reply to the namefag.
▶ No.2431>>2488 >>2495
>>2339
Was that an attempt at humor, whit eagle? Such pleasures as wit are obviously not for the likes of you.
>>2364
>Also, remember when Yoda and Darth Vader fought for Soul Calibur and Soul Edge?
Remember when you tried to get your classmates to call you "whiteagle" and they asked you what a white agle was? And you started crying and sperging out, telling them it's pronounced "white eagle," but they told you that didn't make a lick of sense because that would require an extra "e." And then you had to call your mom to come pick you up because the other kids made up a game at recess called "brown agle" where they'd hold you down and shit on you? Good times.
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▶ No.2488>>2495
>>2364
You might find yourself unpleasantly surprised. If Disney thinks that fans will go for a greater shared universe, they'll see no reason not to do it. It'll get plenty of fanart regardless because if there's one thing autistic manchildren can't get enough of it's crossovers, and that goes double for crossovers choking with lore gags.
>>2431
Worked.
▶ No.2495
>>2406
>If your point is that crossover shit won't be any worse than it usually is, then I agree
That is indeed my point, though personally I don't think it being Disney-made will make things any better or worse.
>>2431
>Remember when you tried to get your classmates to call you "whiteagle"
Uh, that never happened, mostly because people in real life don't give half a shit about me…
>>2488
>You might find yourself unpleasantly surprised. If Disney thinks that fans will go for a greater shared universe, they'll see no reason not to do it.
That's just it though, it's combing an already fairly nebulous canon surrounding a film franchise with the ever in flux "canon" of a comic franchise.
It's like mixing humid air with more air!
The foundation from either source isn't going to be solid enough to hold up the combination.
>It'll get plenty of fanart regardless because if there's one thing autistic manchildren can't get enough of it's crossovers, and that goes double for crossovers choking with lore gags.
Yeah, but that's going to happen regardless…
▶ No.3970
Still relevant. Spread the word
▶ No.3974>>3983
since when do we have fucking flags?
▶ No.3982
>>3939
sloth monster confirmed
▶ No.3983>>3984
>>3974
Since now, apparently.
▶ No.3984>>3987 >>3993
>>3983
Indeed.
Again, what happened to our glorious Hutt overlord and his thread?
▶ No.3986
>>2408
Atleast the Ewoks made sense, they were a tribe of cannibal teddybears on some no-name planet.
▶ No.3987>>3993
>>3984
Guess he got drowned in the salt from #8
▶ No.3993>>3999 >>4003 >>4006 >>4013
>>3984
I'm still alive, troopers. I spent the last 2 nights making flags while trying to come up with new flag ideas as well as figuring out whether the board is better off with or without namefags, just as I promised. I'm thinking of making a few more "joke" flags like maybe a Sheev flag and one for that old Power Droid fanatic movement that used to be around in the 80s and 90s. And maybe one that's just a stormtrooper helmet. Any other suggestions/improvements on the flags?
Also, I unstickied my original thread because no one was using it what with no new suggestions or requests in ages.
>>3987
I'm drowning, but not dead yet.
▶ No.3999>>4007 >>4014
>>3993
Here's one you can add
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>>3993
Don't have the tools on hand to shrink, but have the Revanchist and Old Sith Empire flags if you want 'em.
▶ No.4006>>4007
>>3993
>Any other suggestions/improvements on the flags?
nigga you need some zann consortium up in this bitch.
▶ No.4007
>>3999
You cheeky cunt.
>>4003
>>4006
Anyway, give me a minute while I set them up.
▶ No.4008>>4009 >>4010
There. Several new flags. I may add one for the Hutt Cartel next for all you wealthy and slobby NEETs. If you dorks want to contribute some new banners too, feel free to do so. Also, am I to assume that our board has still not won an Attention Hungry Game?
▶ No.4009>>4011 >>4032
>>4008
we don't crave attention.
also, use my banner. modify it to your heart's content.
▶ No.4010>>4011
>>4008
also, add a confederacy flag bls.
▶ No.4011
>>4009
I'll save this one for tomorrow then. I'll have to crop out the bottom logo.
>>4010
Was right in the middle of making one.
▶ No.4012
Nothing wrong with this, fam, seems like a genuinely entertaining SW flick, but as a white supremacist I have to say, whats with all this diversity crap?
Fuck off disney, I mean, Hail Fuhrer Mickey Maus
▶ No.4013
>>3993
We're gonna need one for the Fel Imperium as well.
▶ No.4014>>4016 >>4042
>>3999
>Having been convinced by his friend Rabbi uh, I mean Raaba that Humans had never atoned for their atrocities committed under the New Order, the Wookiee Lowbacca goes to Ryloth to join the anti-Human Diversity Alliance. Meanwhile, at the Jedi Praxeum, his fellow Jedi trainees Jacen, Jaina, Raynar Thul and Tenel Ka travel to Ryloth to discover the Diversity Alliance's true purpose.
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>>4014
Wow, it's like Space Antifa.
▶ No.4017>>4027
>>4016
>they even have a tranny
▶ No.4021>>4023 >>4025
Which spoiler is accurate, though? I've read conflicting things about whether or not Luke dies, Rey turns dark, or Kylo Ren turns light. Also whether Snoke is a body-snatcher or just trying to repair his own body. The only weighty point that I'm sure of that would make normies bitch if spoiled is that Finn strikes down Phasma.
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>>4021
Well if rlm is actually did see it, apparently snoke is the force granddaddy of luke…
▶ No.4025>>4036
>>4021
Luke dies the same way Kenobi died. Rey turns out to be the daughter of 2 random people.
▶ No.4028
>>4023
So he's Plagueis? What a shitty turnabout.
>if rlm actually did see it
Just like how they "saw" Suicide Squad?
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>>4032
Got another flag for you, Bordo the Hutt.
▶ No.4036>>4049
>>4025
Well SOMETHING went right with the writing at least. They managed to avoid the ONE Mary Sue aspect Rey didn't have. Blood relation to an established character.
▶ No.4038
>>4023
Of course they saw it, they are bought and paid by Disney.
▶ No.4040>>4043 >>4044 >>4045 >>4048
Legit spoilers. It's even worse than I thought it would be.
▶ No.4043
>>4040
Spread the word. Have you posted it on either /tv/ boards yet? Ours would probably do jack shit.
▶ No.4044>>4045
>>4040
>we see him being bullied constantly by snoke
oh boo hoo who gives a shit if he was "bullied"!? he's evil fascist white supremacist nazis he can go to hell! smh
▶ No.4045
>>4044
>>4040
Honestly, Kylo's character is more pathetic than anything I could've possibly imagined.
▶ No.4048
>>4040
>Snoke b ded
And there goes our mystery (and any lingering interest).
▶ No.4049>>4057
>>4036
>Well SOMETHING went right with the writing at least.
"Right", I don't know. I mean if she's not related to the Skywalkers then why are they wasting 3 movies focused on her?
▶ No.4050>>4052
Any good TLJ/nuWars rants up yet?
If FamiliarFacesChannel would do a rant on nuWars like he did on Prometheus Christmas would be saved: https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=R3HTsd4Zs1c
▶ No.4052>>4055
>>4050
I'd pay money to see/hear that.
▶ No.4055
>>4052
Why does that comic strip remind me of Dobson?
▶ No.4057
>>4049
Maybe Kylo kills Rey and becomes good again. This film seems to imply that he's falling for her.
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>>4058
Big About what we expected if true.
▶ No.4060>>4061 >>4074 >>4086
>>4059
It sounds decent to be fair. Better than TFA by miles. I also liked the grumpy, sarcastic Luke.
I wonder if I'm getting weak
▶ No.4061>>4064
>>4060
>OT Luke
>Did everything in his power to see the good in people and help them
>Disney Luke
>So distrustful of Kylo that he tries to kill the kid before anything bad can happen
>completely fucks off to nowhere
>doesn't help Han and Leia
>doesn't try to redeem Kylo and fix his mistake
>goes full emo about giving up
I don't care for Luuke in this movie one bit.
▶ No.4062
>The best surprise twist is an anticlimax. It's cruise control for kino.
>Let's make the movie have no fewer than three!
▶ No.4064>>4065
>>4061
Seriously, why do they feel the need to change his character so dramatically?
▶ No.4065>>4070 >>4105
>>4064
To make Rey look better and so he can be Yoda 2.0 in VIII. They can't make better new stuff, so they'll make the old stuff look worse in comparison. What's mind blowingly dumb is Kylo killing Snoke. Rey has already beaten his ass once, where is the tension of her losing again when barely any time has passed? What was the point of Snoke then if Kylo can off him that easily? What the fuck are they doing over there?
▶ No.4070>>4072
>>4065
>so they'll make the old stuff look worse in comparison
but everything they do makes them look bad and everything pre-disney suddenly is good.
▶ No.4072
>>4070
True, but they're too arrogant to see what's happening until the writing is on the wall.
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▶ No.4086
>>4060
>sarcastic Luke.
But it's supposed to be Star Wars, not a Marvel movie written by Whedon.
▶ No.4088
>>4073
Confirmed to be true, then.
Did anyone saved it?
▶ No.4095>>4096
>Idling in a 4chan /pol/ thread
>Somebody posts a "The Last Jedi" webm
>Kylo Ren is dueling Luke.
>Kylo makes a horizontal slash
>Luke bends 90 degrees backwards in bullet time slow motion to dodge it
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▶ No.4104>>4112
>>4102
Why. What was the point of this? Why does the film expect us to take the fugly brat more seriously than his master?
▶ No.4105
>>4065
>What was the point of Snoke then if Kylo can off him that easily?
They wanted to do something against what most people would've expected, I assume. Problem is, it doesn't really make sense and now they have to figure out where to go from this point.
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>>4099
>>4101
>>4102
oh my god. they did it. they made me appreciate the force awakens.
▶ No.4110
At this rate they'll be begging Tarantino to direct an R-rated trilogy.
▶ No.4112>>4113 >>4115 >>4116 >>4126 >>4129 >>4335
>>4104
Snoke was one of the things I liked about the sequel trilogy. A powerful but disciplined antagonist stated to be a wise Dark Side disciple but also insinuated to have an intellectual respect for the utility of the Light. Twisted and mangled by the Force whose forbidden secrets he explored but perfectly happy to sacrifice an aesthetically ideal body to learn. Eyes still soft blue instead of blazing yellow. Interested in Kylo Ren because of his dual nature and not unadulterated darkness.
He was teased as having a more complex grey tinged perception of things maybe having something to do with his mysterious long life, but now that's all in the trash. All in the landfill with everything else that made Star Wars iconic according to this movie's very subtext.
And these themes are the most giga-kiked hyper kosher demoralization propaganda I've seen yet.
>Yoda burns the Force tree which held tremendous symbolic importance and tells Luke from beyond the grave that the Jedi have to end and it's time to move on to the vague, abstract future.
>Kylo allegedly killed Snoke to end the Jedi, Sith, and everything else associated with the past.
>Rey is descended from nobody important but she doesn't care because her parents are irrelevant. Only she matters and the fact that she is the Last Jedi means there will be Change (tm).
>Snoke was nobody familiar in disguise and his background will remain unexplored because it doesn't matter. He was the bad dude and that's the extent of his importance.
>Luke melds with the force after running out of Force Points and having no adrenals to inject happy that the Jedi have served their purpose and a New Thingy will replace them.
>The First Order is somehow more powerful than the Galactic Empire and the Resistance is dead and its New Republic on shaky knees, but it doesn't matter because something new will replace them.
<That's right, goy, your heritage is meaningless! Who gives a fuck about parents and identity? All that matters is YOU are a special unique snowflake and Mary Sue!
<Psssh, what kind of meshuggah cares about bubkis like history, traditions, and culture? It's all just thousands of years of doing the same silly primitive superstition and expecting things to get better! Throw it all out because PROGRESS is inevitable and desirable.
<Boy, all of those things that happened before these new and improved films sure do seem petty and meaningless compared to what (((we))) have in store for you now!
Best part is that Disney is aware of the fact these spoilers are making the rounds and has decided to not do an advance premier of the Han Solo spinoff movie because of them. It knows, and it's afraid.
▶ No.4113
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>4112
Is this why the Director of this thing didn't seem proud of it? Because of Kathleen Kennedy's deranged obsession to leave her mark on Star Wars, and in so doing begin the slow death of the new golden goose? That the Sith-like selfishness has taken center stage over the selfless heroism and classic themes of the originals? That Snoke is no Emperor Vitiate yes, I would've accepted that?
I attended a panel a month ago about whether CBS or Disney had gone too far with their properties. The answer was effectively "no but yes" in PR speak. This movie will likely go down as one of the discussed "missteps." I don't see this as an attempt at propaganda, but the wrongheaded desire to "make Star Wars theirs" by attempted wipe-away is just as bad. It misses the damn point of this lived-in setting.
▶ No.4115
>>4112
did they go full retard with the ring theory? like, a total misinterpretation and just basically went LOL IT ALL REVOLVES YOU RETARD.
▶ No.4116>>4117
>>4112
>Snoke
>interesting
He's just a discount emperor without anything that made Palp
▶ No.4117>>4118
>>4116
Snoke was a better developed presence by the end of VII than Sheev was at the end of V, but hey it's all moot now because everything needed to be a shocking le twist to snuggle into the pants of reviewers and critics who suckle that swill with abandon.
▶ No.4118
>>4117
So that's the purpose of those? To wow reviewers who already viewed Star Wars as pablum?
▶ No.4126>>4130 >>4163
>>4112
So Smoke was basically a deformed Darth Vectivus?
Pfff…
▶ No.4128>>4132 >>4285
>>4109
>when the sequel is so unbearably awful it makes the first shitflick not look like a turd
▶ No.4129>>4163
>>4112
Sounds like a shittier Plagueis copypasta.
▶ No.4130>>4132
>>4126
Except he was utterly worthless and served no real purpose other than to be there.
▶ No.4132>>4137
>>4128
OHHHH BONGO BONGO, I DON'T WANNA LEAVE THE CONGOOO~
>>4130
Yes, that's what they made him in the end. A glorified prop. Even TVT thinks its a colossal waste.
▶ No.4137
>>4132
>A glorified prop. Even TVT thinks its a colossal waste.
Like pottery but shittier and with a shittier design.
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>>4146
>sorry, that page doesn't exist
Wasn't archived either. GG.
▶ No.4153
>>4152
/tv/ uploaded some webms. I'll get 'em now.
Here they are. Worse than you can imagine.
▶ No.4154>>4158 >>4163
Something might actually be happening.
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>>4129
>>4126
Vectivus may not have been real and Plagueis was less interested in the balance concept as a path to greater power and wisdom in the Force as a scientific principle that could be analyzed. I'm just saying that Snoke at least had the potential to be turned into something neat by a novelist (where most of the best SW lore tends to come from), but they flushed this character and most anything else with utility introduced by The Force Awakens into the septic tank.
>>4154
>Episode VII and Rogue One ranked higher than Episode III
I hate RLM-parroting normalfags so goddamn much.
▶ No.4169>>4173 >>4176
>>4163
>I hate RLM-parroting normalfags so goddamn much.
Good news assholes! Ratings on all the movies except the prequels and the OT are dropping. TLJ is at 62% and TFA/RO is below 90%
▶ No.4173
>>4169
Inb4 Warner trying to sabotage the scores
▶ No.4176>>4180
>>4169
> virgin scientist
> mooches off daughter
wut
▶ No.4180
>>4176
>doesn't understand the naming scheme of the maymay
>things that waste of life isn't a moocher
▶ No.4187
Movie is currently airing on /tv/ guys! >>>/tv/1014561
▶ No.4192>>4195 >>4206
the last jedi's audience score is currently 1% above the lowest ranked prequel.
▶ No.4195
>>4192
>the last jedi's audience score is currently 1% above the lowest ranked prequel.
▶ No.4201
>Finn kisses an Azn woman on screen.
Whoops! There goes the Chinese market!
▶ No.4206>>4217 >>4222
>>4192
And now the Last Jedi is 1% below the lowest ranked prequel.
▶ No.4222>>4241
>>4206
Wait a fucking second here… Did the Phantom Menace's rating go up by 1%? Wasn't it 58% before? Is it finally happening? Are kinoquels finally getting the respect they deserve? I am not fucking joking, I loved TPM (minus the midochlorian shit, but I grew to tolerate it a bit).
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>>4222
>minus the midochlorian shit,
>>>/leddit/ and stay there
▶ No.4263>>4264
>Ratings stopped falling
I don't want the good times to end.
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>>4263
it's opening weekend, we'll undoubtedly see numbers shoot up and down a bit. what i really want to see is the critic rating start to fall, there's still a plethora of critics disney didn't pay to shill. also gonna be funny to see china's reaction to it. they will either love it for the asian inclusiveness or hate it for kissing asia's ass.
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>>4264
I want to see their reaction to a black man kissing an oriental woman. A lot of people have said that would make Chinese audience members rip the seats apart and devour each other in hysteric rage, but Kelly Tran is Vietnamese-American. They might not give a fuck if it's not a Han woman.
There's also the possibility that Disney turned their attention away from the Chinese market because the Communist Party thought the First Order was partly satirizing them.
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>>4128
I think disgust with niggers is stronger than any other emotion for Asians.
Pic related is Korean songwriter being furious with floyd mayweather talking shit about Taiwanese-American NBA pro, Jeremy Lin.
▶ No.4288>>4299 >>4309 >>5575 >>5584
>>4285
Wait a fuck… What if RT froze the ratings to keep it from going any lower?!
▶ No.4299
>>4288
Hitler dubs are sufficient to make it plausible.
▶ No.4309>>4319
>>4288
Nah, man, it rose by a point.
CONTINUE BASE DELTA ZERO DIRECTIVE.
▶ No.4311
Press outlets are already commenting on the negative fan responses, and "nerd (TM)" periodicals are trying to rebut them. We might see sleight of hand at work trying to doctor the attitude in forums of public opinion try to slow boil.
▶ No.4319
>>4309
>mfw they're only allowing 4 or 5 star reviews from normals to show up while hiding any more negative ratings
>mfw positives are so few the rise was only worth a measly 1%
▶ No.4324
>>4273
>the Communist Party thought the First Order was partly satirizing them.
>supreme leader
>glorious leader
>tfw snoke is actually kju or president moon
meesa lika dis.
▶ No.4335>>4337 >>4338 >>4339 >>4342 >>4361 >>4363 >>4365 >>4375 >>4380 >>4416 >>4693 >>4864
This wasn't nearly as bad as everyone made it out to be. I did get worried for a minute when Laura Dern came in with literal purple hair and looked straight at the camera to deliver a #RESIST speech, but they made her more nuanced and killed her, so whatever.
I'd have cut a couple of corny/repetitive lines and trimmed way the fuck down on the porgs, if not outright removed them. Other than that, it was good and everyone is completely overreacting. There's literally nothing (other than Rey's empty arc, probably) that a half-decent fanedit couldn't resolve.
>>4112
>Yoda burns the Force tree which held tremendous symbolic importance and tells Luke from beyond the grave that the Jedi have to end and it's time to move on to the vague, abstract future.
<Psssh, what kind of meshuggah cares about bubkis like history, traditions, and culture? It's all just thousands of years of doing the same silly primitive superstition and expecting things to get better! Throw it all out because PROGRESS is inevitable and desirable.
Did we watch the same fucking movie? For a board that loves the prequels so much, everyone sure seemed to miss one of the major themes.
>Jedi Order follow their code like instructions to be followed, as opposed to guidelines to be debated
>Order becomes stagnant as a result
>Become arrogant to the point of not being able to detect a Sith Lord a few miles from their temple
>Jedi and their way of life nearly extinct as a result
This, in my view, is where Legends and NuCanon diverge. It's a single choice Luke makes. In Legends, he creates a New Jedi Order, and rather than just making a carbon copy of the old, it's more of a community than a formal system. Emotional attachment is not discouraged, and they actually go out and do shit for the galaxy.
NuCanon instead has Luke repeating history, and once again, the Jedi are brought to the brink of extinction. He learns the same lesson as in Legends, but it takes him another 20 years Disney's just ripping off Legends again!" I agree, though I'm sure Disney would have loved to make direct adaptations of those books had our original cast not been senior citizens.. That's what TLJ is about. Something better can come out of looking at one's history and taking the good parts while leaving/fixing the bad. The lesson isn't "Oy vey, your history, traditions and culture don't matter goy!". The lesson is that blindly adhering to dogma will lead to the same successes AND the same failures. That's the EXACT OPPOSITE of history not mattering. If Rey/Nu Luke are disregarding history and traditions by trying to improve on what came before, so was Legends Luke.
Because it turns out, stagnation is a BAD thing. Christ, did none of you faggots ever read God Emperor of Dune?
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>>4335
I want to believe you, anon.
▶ No.4338>>4341 >>4864
>>4335
That would be a good interpretation, but I don't know why you think Luke failed simply for trying to make a new Jedi Order, which looked more like Force-User summer camp at that point. Everything went to shit because he contemplated a preemptive beheading of a troubled teenager. Why would a much older and better traveled Luke do that after risking a slow and painful death to redeem Darth Vader?
Credit due for effort, but I'm having a hard time not reading into the subtext as this being a way to rip off the Band-Aid and wipe the slate clean of legacy characters before Disney goes off the deep end with episode IX and underwrites a series of porg movies. George Lucas is officially in the celebrity dead pool.
▶ No.4339>>4341 >>4380
>>4335
What if we get a crossover between the porgs and eworks
▶ No.4341>>4360 >>4380 >>4416 >>4439 >>4693 >>4843 >>4864
>>4337
There's already camera copies out, and there will probably be better copies in the next week. Watch it and judge for yourself.
>>4338
>Why would a much older and better traveled Luke do that after risking a slow and painful death to redeem Darth Vader?
Like I said, Nu Luke is repeating the mistakes of the past. He saw the darkness in Kylo and thought "Uh oh, dark side bad. Better kill him just to be sure!" When he realized his error in executing a boy who up to that point genuinely dindu nuffin, it was too late to go back and the cycle repeated itself. Watch the tree burning scene again. Luke says he's going to burn all of the ancient Jedi texts, hesitates, and Yoda takes care of it for him. Luke panics and tries to go inside to save the books, but he can't. Yoda then gives him a big speech about passing on everything, the good and the bad. I can't reconcile that with the idea that history and culture don't matter. (Vid related, their conversation)
As for wiping the slate clean, that's kind of their only option. We've already lost one of our classic trio, and the other two are (I think) older than Alec Guinness was when they shot IV. You're right about the subtext in a way, but try to take a less cynical view of it. A generation of people who grew up on the movies are now helming them, just like Rey grew up on stories of the rebellion and is now their de facto leader. VII and VIII have that sort of meta 'passing of the torch' element to the story.
I'm sure Disney would love to make porg movies. But Lucas made an Ewoks animated series and the Holiday Special, so if they do I'm not going to say it's a sin unique to them.
>>4339
I'd ignore it and know it wasn't made for me, like the Lego cartoon.
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>>4335
>This wasn't nearly as bad as everyone made it out to be.
▶ No.4343>>4344
>>4342
I'm sorry. Living with ADHD must be hard.
▶ No.4344>>4345
>>4343
i'm sorry you're so in over your head that you're defending this pile of shit.
>we must let go of the old ways
>rey takes the books anyway
>the jedi must end
>i will not be the last jedi
yoda literally burned that tree as a fuck you to luke. little shit knew rey had the books and would continue the traditions of the order. luke died for nothing. no amount of editing can save this shitheap.
▶ No.4345>>4346 >>4362 >>4386 >>4409
>>4344
He did burn the tree as a fuck you to Luke, because Luke needed a good fuck you to learn his lesson. If Yoda trusts Rey with the books, I'll take his word.
As for dying for no reason:
>Gives inspiration to Resistance in their worst moment
>Hints at a way out and gives them time to escape
>Finds peace after decades of isolation and self-torment
>Will continue to be an inspiration to Rey's future Jedi
>Will continue to torment Supreme Leader Kylo, having ripped his revenge away from him
▶ No.4346>>4347
>>4345
What is the even point of this Resistance? What are they resisting, why do they fight? The First Order looks like an insurgency rather than the Government which I thought the Rebels ended in ep6.
▶ No.4347>>4348 >>4352 >>4385 >>4409 >>4416
>>4346
They did a bad job explaining the political situation in VII. Here's how I understand it from start to finish.
>Sheev gets Force Chucked down a pit
>Mopping up of Empire's remnants, culminating in the horrific Battle of Jakku (which is why all those broken ships are around and there's a big scavenging industry)
>After some years, the Republic starts getting its feet again
>At some point, the First Order shows up with an army of Stormtroopers bred and raised in secret
>Not wanting to fight another exhausting war, the Republic tries to appear amicable on the surface while secretly funding the Resistance
>First Order builds Starkiller Base. Where they got the resources and money I have no idea
>VII happens and they blow up a whole system, including Not-Coruscant, wiping out 99% of Republic leadership and leaving it in disarray
>First Order immediately spreads out to capitalize on the chaos
>VIII happens
▶ No.4348>>4351 >>4352
>>4347
That's fucking retarded.
▶ No.4351>>4352 >>4353 >>4416
>>4348
I'm not writing this shit. Reading the wiki is probably better than my half-remembered shitty greentext.
▶ No.4352>>4416
>>4347
>>4348
>>4351
Oh, and I say they blew up Not-Coruscant because (I think) the script actually called for that, but Disney said no, so they changed it to something that wasn't Coruscant but looked a lot like it and served the same purpose.
Come to think of it, I think all of this is explained in the VII novelization. If you want something official to read that's what you're after. It also lends itself to Rey's character a bit more when she hears a voice telling her to kill Kylo towards the end. Or was that the script?
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>>4351
>I'm not writing this
Never said you were.
▶ No.4361
>>4335
> Other than that, it was good and everyone is completely overreacting.
>muh oy vey
▶ No.4362
>>4345
>He did burn the tree as a fuck you to Luke, because Luke needed a good fuck you to learn his lesson. If Yoda trusts Rey with the books, I'll take his word.
Except Luke didn't need a fuck you, because the character was just poorly written. He's a not a real person with growth and development. He's a fictional character whose entire character was rewritten for the sake of Disney's shitty plot.
▶ No.4363
>>4335
>using "Legends" term
▶ No.4365
>>4335
>a movie being bashed on all fronts
>thinks anyone gives a shit about muh deeper meaning
>implying we're movie-only fags
>supporting or defending the ratpigs at Disney in any way, shape or form
Boy, you Wookieepediafags must be desperate.
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>>4335
Thank you for defending the interests of The Walt Disney Company. 0.005 cents were added to your account.
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>>4335
>>4337
>>4341
>>4339
Rules aren't normally enforced around here much, but samefagging is discouraged around here. Just so you know.
▶ No.4385
>>4347
most of that is correct. however the republic wasn't funding the resistance, leia was just given some leftover tech (the t-70s are outdated in tfa's time) and after her parentage got outed, she was laughed out of the republic. so she took what she had, headed to the systems being fucked with, and started la resistance.
▶ No.4389>>4428
>>4386
>4chan
Wait, they're making fun of the movie too? There is hope for man then.
▶ No.4409>>4416
>>4345
>>4347
>Defending this garbage
▶ No.4416>>4427 >>4613
>>4409
Well
>>4335
>>4337
>>4341
>>4351
>>4352
>>4347
are all the same guy and he hasn't posted since. He's clearly a wookieepediafag hence his shilling and the fact that he's telling people to read "the official books" related to VII.
▶ No.4427>>4432
>>4416
>wookieepediafag
you mean disneyfag.
▶ No.4428>>4430
>>4389
>looking for hope on 4chan
▶ No.4430>>4436
>>4428
Sometimes you can find hope in the most unexpected places. t. Warhammerite
▶ No.4432>>4437 >>4440
>>4427
Wookieepedians have recently gone full disneyfag. Go on there and see for yourself.
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>>4432
oh, i'd rather not break my monitor, i'll take your word for it.
▶ No.4438>>4442
>>4386
Yoda wasn't that wise tbh
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>>4341
>camera copies
Where? I'm bored.
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>>4432
Sounds more like an occupation, and the old guard are remaining quiet so that they don't lose everything.
>>4436
Well come on, it's one of the grimmer settings out there.
▶ No.4441>>4445
>>4439
On /tv/ you mook. >>>/tv/1014561
▶ No.4442
>>4438
I honestly preferred siths anyway and they always had the best playthroughs.
▶ No.4443>>4446 >>4454
>>4440
Oh I see. You made a contradicting statement. Funny.Is it just me or does SW and Warhammer go hand in hand? As in, people who tend to be fans of one tend to be fans of the other.
▶ No.4445>>4447
>>4441
It's not my fault I don't frequent one of the shittiest boards on this shit site. Thanks fam
▶ No.4446
>>4443
because they both have empires and emperors and senses of duty and honor. shit that most males enjoy.
▶ No.4447
>>4445
Fuck you. No problem friendo
▶ No.4454
>>4443
>contradicting statement
Don't quit your day job for comedy colleague.
Star Wars and Warhammer are both immense in scale, have millennia long histories, and are constantly fraught with some of the most spectacular and destructive wars imaginable. On top of that, they both also feature corruption and purity battling for the soul of Man in the form of Spess Wizards and Warriors with nifty weapons and armor. Though 40K's own megalomaniacal narcissist seems to care more for his own race.
▶ No.4457>>4458 >>4463
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HOLY SHIT
HOWARD THE DUCK WON US THE ATTENTION-HUNGRY GAMES!
>>>/sudo/64161
▶ No.4458>>4469
>>4457
wtf is this for real?
▶ No.4463>>4465 >>4473
>>4457
Shame that the book it's based on is tumblr-tier gutter trash.
▶ No.4465>>4473
>>4463
*referring to Hunger Gaymes
▶ No.4469
>>4458
Yes, that was really broadcasted as a children's cartoon
▶ No.4473
>>4463
>>4465
The book isn't what matters. Our board won 8chan's game. We never fucking win. Disneyfags and /tv/ hated this board during TFA's release, now we're fucking winning. We can't stop winning!
▶ No.4541>>4549 >>4562 >>4563 >>4599
>>2280 (OP)
>2nd screencap
>Minions 2.0
fuck
>all-female star wars movie
I'm okay with this, the yuri and porn will flow
>how humans got to the Star Wars galaxy
oh good time for them to take a fat shit on THX-1138, which is according to non-canon lore where the humans are from
▶ No.4549>>4600
>>4541
Depending on what happens tomorrow, the Porg plan may get a sharp derailment.
China 5 January 2018
Moment of truth, fellas.
▶ No.4562>>4601
>>4541
>oh good time for them to take a fat shit on THX-1138, which is according to non-canon lore where the humans are from
▶ No.4563
>>4541
>yuri
Just as disgusting as yaoi, profligate.
▶ No.4599
>>4541
<I'm okay with this, the yuri and porn will flow
>wanting yuri of 3DPD trash
>thinking the porn will be good
>thinking these bitches will be attractive
Get a load of this faggot
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>>4549
>China 5 January 2018
>Moment of truth, fellas.
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>>4562
Its stupid enough to be a thing with Disney. It probably won't be THX, but the real deal will probably be even stupider.
▶ No.4613>>4635 >>4693
>>4416
Hey, I'm the guy (not >>4337 though). Haven't posted since because I've been doing other shit. I recommended the book because that's where my info comes from, or I'm pretty sure having not actually read it. The only Nu stuff I've consumed has been the movies and Rebels since nobody currently under contract to write the books/comics can produce a paragraph of literary worth and EA can eat shit. I threw the book out for people who prefer the source rather than second-hand summaries. If I had posted a link to buy it, I could see your point.
The only time I go to Wookieepedia is if I have question about canon. I figured they weren't fans of the new stuff, since they spent years autistically documenting the EU before Disney trashed it.
I still think the movie was good. There was silly shit, like Leia's jump from 'can vaguely connect with certain others through the Force' to whatever the fuck that shit in space was. And some of the major characters didn't have much of a storyline (Finn/Rose are the biggest example, and Rey to a lesser degree). But it didn't offends me, I either shrugged it off or rolled my eyes. The rest of it I enjoyed more than I disliked the other stuff. TLJ isn't my favorite (that's RotJ), but it's good. I still think there's room for improvement that a competent faneditor can handle. I might do one when HD sources come out.
Porgs can go to hell, though. Every time they were onscreen, I heard Mel Brooks' voice distantly yelling MOICHANDIZING.
▶ No.4635>>4676 >>5545
>>4613
>I still think the movie was good.
then you have shit taste.
why should your opinion matter if you dont even understand what was wrong with it?
>I still think there's room for improvement that a competent faneditor can handle.
no, its impossible because throught the whole movie pretty much nothing of importance happens
▶ No.4676>>4693
>>4635
>throught the whole movie pretty much nothing of importance happens
I'd mostly agree, but you could argue the same about I and V. I still enjoy them, though. Characters take priority over plot for me and I thought this movie had a lot of that.
<Luke is a bitter piece of shit who thinks that lthe galaxy needs to start fresh
>realizes that history is something to be learned from, not ignored, and that the Jedi still have a lot to offer and finds peace
<Finn spends most of VII and VIII as a bumbling fish-out-of-water bordering on comedic relief
>by the end, he's a confident Resistance hero
<Rey is a girl on a shitty backwater scavenging planet idolizing the Rebellion and Jedi
>now she's a Jedi, bringing hope to others the ay those stories gave her hope
<Kylo is highly conflicted, wants to be like Vader but has to kill a lot of sacred cows to get there
>ends up "resolving" this conflict by doing the all the wrong things with good intentions (like Anakin in III; there's that history repeating itself theme again)
▶ No.4688
i honestly fuckin hate what they did to luke's charcter. at least have some fuckin believable scenario for him to go into exile
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>>4693
That seems to be a HUGE point being pushed by fanboys now: "Let's not focus on the past". Sure, in that case, then make a standalone film instead of part of the main set you dense fuckers.
▶ No.4710>>4716 >>4718 >>4725
>>4696
>Don't focus on the past
>Just keep using a 50 year old franchise instead
Why not make your own series full of trannies and dykes?
▶ No.4716>>4728
>>4710
Because in their shriveled heart of hearts, they know it will fail.
▶ No.4718
>>4710
Because they know that wouldn't sell outside of a dedicated niche market which will subsidize it to support the cause instead of on its merits. By subverting and parasitizing off Star Wars, they trick some casual consumers and diehard fans into giving their agenda more money and attention in the short-term until their heavy handedness drives away the old market. Even if their profit motivated superiors at Disney kick them out for driving down sales, they'll simply look for another IP with name recognition to hijack.
They did it with television series, comics, and video games and have tried to do with tabletop RPGs. Like radicals hurling bricks through the windows of nearby businesses during a riot, they don't care about popular opinion or winning hearts and minds. They want to galvanize support from their base and win a war of psychological attrition with normal everday folks to cave into their demands and expectations little by little.
▶ No.4725>>4805 >>4811
>>4710
>Why not make your own series full of trannies and dykes?
because that has no reach.
i am hatred personified at this point
▶ No.4728>>4760
>>4716
Exactly. They HAVE to latch on like parasites.
▶ No.4760
>>4728
>parasites
Funny you should mention that.
"The Farce Awakens took me back to my 11-year-old self, watching A New Hope in my hometown's one-sceen theater and thinking it was the greatest thing I'd ever seen. The Last Jedi made me remember that theater is now a parking lot for an abandoned Wal-Mart."
▶ No.4805>>4811
>>4725
>i am hatred personified at this point
Pretty much me since Lucas sold out like a bitch.
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▶ No.4810>>4813
>>4807
>supporting an uninspired future of SW ruled by Disney
You'd best be joking.
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>>4725
>>4805
Would the discussion of whether or the Sith were wrong have gained so much traction if Disney did not enrage us so?
▶ No.4813>>4816
>>4810
I was looking for Rian's trilogy but I guess he's done after TLJ. Disney will never allow indie directors working in blockbusters again.
▶ No.4816
>>4813
>looking forward to anything Disney
>being a Rianfag
▶ No.4843
>>4341
>Watch it and judge for yourself.
I did and its crap, you tasteless hack.
▶ No.4864>>4931
>>4335
>rather than just making a carbon copy of the old
>NuCanon instead has Luke repeating history, and once again, the Jedi are brought to the brink of extinction.
So I wasn't the only one who thought Luke inadvertently pushed Ben towards Snoke with his hardass Jedi Training Temple?
>>4338
>Everything went to shit because he contemplated a preemptive beheading of a troubled teenager.
Probably BECAUSE he was adhering to closely to the ways of the old Order, he outright says he didn't want to unleash a new Vader on the Galaxy, but fucked up on how to deal with that.
>>4341
>Luke says he's going to burn all of the ancient Jedi texts, hesitates, and Yoda takes care of it for him. Luke panics and tries to go inside to save the books, but he can't.
And Rey had already swiped the books and has them in a drawer on the Falcon, we see them when Finn is looking for a Space Blanket for Rose.
>>4811
>whether or the Sith were wrong
Depends on the Sith…
Sheev was a shithead who basically had the Galaxy handed to him by his own master, then bungled complete galactic control just to get his murderboner on.
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>>4864
True. Some Sith even make able administrators.
▶ No.5142>>5146
>>2394
Please use his proper title when addressing him.
Patton "One in the cuck, Two in my wife's grave" Oswalt.
▶ No.5146
>>5142
The coffin was barely in the grave.
▶ No.5545>>5547 >>5552
>>4635
>thought my friend would hate this film
>mfw he doesn't
>mfw he was introduced through SW by TFA, despite my efforts of sheevpilling him beforehand even though he binged-watched the older films, that's still not enough
>mfw he wasn't willing to check out SW by my words, simply because it "didn't seem interesting"
▶ No.5547>>5554
>>5545
You tried trooper and that's what counts.
▶ No.5552
>>5545
Some are destined towards the Dark Side.
▶ No.5554
>>5547
Do or do not. There is no try.
▶ No.5575>>5579 >>5584
>>4288
disney is paying
>I have seen all the movies, and I felt this one was a fine addition to the series.
5 stars. pages of this garbage
▶ No.5579>>5584
>>5575
They ain't paying enough. Those are outnumbered by the 1s and .5s.
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>>5575
>>5579
>>4288
the rating is now 52%, it keeps dropping. critic rating is at 91%, that's gone down as well.
▶ No.5611>>5612
I haven't talked to anybody in my family or circle of friends who liked this movie. My stepfather, who is such an uncompromisingly left-wing ideologue that he thinks the Brits should give the Falklands to Argentina and Mexican kids should get reparations in addition to amnesty, thinks it's the single worst piece of shit ever produced under the Star Wars name. The progressive subtext isn't enough to persuade him to pretend it's anything more than a monument to bad decisions. My best friend told me that he thought it was "pretty good" before I saw it, but when I gave him my opinion after seeing the rips he admitted that he was severely inflating his regard in case I disagreed just because he knows what a tremendous SW aspie I can be. As for me, anons have lost their tendies at me on this board for me over wrongthink regarding some of the stuff released under Disney, but I have almost nothing good to say about TLJ.
This may very well be the turning point.
▶ No.5613>>5615 >>5757
Do you think the supposed """troll""" was actually a damage-control shill for Disney to make it seem like people may have actually liked this trash?
https://archive.fo/N8Bwa
https://web.archive.org/web/20171227104937/http://variety.com/2017/digital/news/star-wars-last-jedi-rotten-tomatoes-user-ratings-bots-skewed-1202647473/
http://variety.com/2017/digital/news/star-wars-last-jedi-rotten-tomatoes-user-ratings-bots-skewed-1202647473/
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>>5613
Most likely. Its just too conveniant for Disney and the critics community.
▶ No.5741>>5744 >>5757
Every important character, and most of the unimportant ones too, from the original hexalogy is dead except for Chewbacca and Leia. If not killed in a film, then more quietly in some parallel media tie-in like an e-book. I expect that Chewie is only alive to be the comic relief in a bunch of Porg shit, but they're going to have to do something about Leia being alive at the end of TLJ with Carrie Fisher's death.
The next movie is either going to have to stand on all-new characters plus Chewbacca reduced to the role of Jar Jar Binks or they're going to try the divisive CGI trick from Rogue One again. Lando almost certainly isn't coming back because they don't want Billy Dee upstaging John Boogayega.
▶ No.5744>>5757
>>5741
Part of me wonders if they intend on rewriting episode 9 with Luke being a Force ghost so that they can keep the "remember Star Wars?" aspect alive. And also because it's like poetry. Carrie's death definitely threw a wrench in the works, and I'm sure that quite a few of the executives' first thought on hearing of her passing was "well what does this mean for the next movie?"
Honestly, I have no idea where they can go from here. The "good guys" (never thought I'd see the day where I'd use sarcasm quotes about Star Wars protagonists) are down to less than a hundred people and maybe one ship, while the First Order lost Scarface and a bunch of ships but I'm assuming they still have plenty more resources. If we pick up right where TLJ left off, they'll have to figure out some way to write Leia out of the story pretty quick, probably too quick. They'll probably have to skip forward a couple years, but what would the situation even be at that point?
Christ, talk about trying to dig yourself out of a hole.
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>>5613
indeed it was, rt admitted the negative reviews were genuine and that there was no scripting, disney is shooting the blame everywhere they can so it makes themselves look good.
>>5741
>>5744
i'd be very surprised if luke didn't return as a force ghost. going by some shitposting thread claiming to be an insider luke will also be able to interact with the environment like yoda, lol. the only thing they can do is bulk up the resistance to have a sizable force once more. also iirc most of the galaxy is actually still loyal to the empire, so idk where they'll get that shit from.