/monster/ - The Last Bastion of Romance

>>289190

There are a lot of monsters like that; though, Baphomets and Lilim take the cake. Gazers and Jabberwocks are supposed to be pretty damn bullshit as well. You would need a vorpal sword to defeat a jabberwock without sacrificing a party member to be her husband, and gazers have so much magic that it started manifesting in a physical form.

Given that humans can somehow beat baphomets, I imagine monsters also could train themselves up if properly motivated.

>>289215

But would a Jabberwock be able to KO a regular dragon? What with a regular dragon having the martial prowess and focus the Jabberwock lacks.

>>289190

I wish we had access to better gauges for their 'power levels.' As I can see a high level succubus succumbing to things that could be classified as lower level attacks from lower level monsters.

>>289178

>but out of all the monsters, they possess the most physical power

You and your baphomet wife are out for a stroll through town. The two of you pass by a Apep's Alchemical Emporium. She tugs on your pant leg to show you something in the window that caught her eye, but in the process, it caused you to drop your phone under a parked bus. With no effort at all, she raised the bus up above her head as if it were as light as a pillow, with one arm, so that you could retrieve your phone.

>>289297

>Strolling through town with Baphomet waifu.

>Baph is holding on to your hand as she does window shopping.

>You just enjoying the walk and time with waifu.

>She looks at items and tells you which she likes.

>You just nod, happy to be with her.

>Baph spots particularly attractive item.

>To get your attention, she excitedly pulls on your pants in the direction of the window with her free hand and points to the item.

>She pulls very little to her, but hard enough to rip off your pants and fling it at the window in one quickly executed motion.

>She looks at the pants plastered on the window.

>The pants scare a store hand inside.

>She looks at you in confusion, still not having fully process what happened.

>You're now on the ground, without pants.

>She, still not having let go of your hand, starts to turn red in embarrassment.

>Fast forward a few hours.

>She is the recipient of a new hat.

>And you are the recipient of a thousand apologies and a good dinner.

>Hopefully this isn't the last time she rips off your pants today.

>>289326

Nah, I get the feeling a heel wouldn't win the tournament. I'd still bet on him though. Order stronk.

>>289326

Well… Paladin IS in the list.

Baph is Joss Whedon shit, tbh.

>>289353

I've been wondering that myself.

http://challonge.com/WaifuBattleRoyale

If we're going to do this, might as well do it right.

I think we're missing the real underdog here, Alps____

>>289358

no

>>289357

This will take a very long time, but round robin will prevail. I'm going to say who I think will win each match up, submit a dispute with backing/reasoning if you disagree with an outcome or want to help determine a match-up I can't decide either way.

Round One

Valkyrie vs Paraoh: The Paraoh is supposed to be very powerful in her own right when awakened, and she should have servants to help her. Paraoh wins.

Queen Slime vs Dragon: Fire breath > Slime army

Ignis vs Ice Queen: Ice Queen is basically lord of ice elementals; therefore, she should be able to defeat a single basic fire elemental, even if fire would be her weakness.

Undine vs Apophis: I don't know really, Apophis is basically a god killer though… So I'll give it to them.

Wight vs Jabberwock: Wight is a really high level undead and the Jabberwock is an intoxicated corrupt dragon. Wight wins.

Titania vs Baphomet: Baphomet is a strong monster geared more towards combat when compared to Titania who specializes in pacification. Baphomet wins.

Lich vs Dark Mage: Lich would win this. Dark Mage specializes more in her pleasure than the Lich, and the Lich would probably accumulate more acknowledge and therefore more spells and tools to use against the Dark Mage.

Sylph vs Cursed Sword: A basic elemental probably wouldn't be able to defeat a Cursed Sword. A Sylph may be able to evade the CW, but I see CW's victory to be an eventuality.

Manticore vs Dark Valkyrie: This is a tough call, there isn't much to go by. Valkyries are specialized in monster combat, but this is a Dark Valkyrie. It would presumably have more power, but is this power able to be translated into combat power? I'm going to go with the Dark Valkyrie regardless though, as it should be able to defeat a Manticore, a powerful monster, but pretty straight forward.

Demon vs Echidna: A Echidna seems to just be a basic lamia capable of giving birth to different monster species, the only thing going for them is their heritage of strong humans. The Demon should be strong enough to defeat a Echidna.

Lilim vs Kraken: The outcome of this fight would depend slightly on the environment, but I think no one would argue if I give it to the Lilim.

Ryu vs Dragon Zombie: The Ryu are supposed to be akin to gods, and the Dragon Zombie is just an unfocused Dragon that smells like rotting fish. Ryu wins.

Griffon vs Inari: The Inari I think will be interesting, we're for the most part are going to assume they have nine tails, but even then, I doubt their martial prowess while the Griffon is supposed to be able to at least fend off a Dragon. The Inari, with anything less than nine tails, should lose to the Griffon, but at nine it becomes too close to tell I would think, but I'm going to give it to the Inari on the grounds that they must have their own god cult for a reason: even if doing so pains me.

>>289190

Ba'el best grill, fite me if you disagree

>>289369

Round Two

Note: I am researching the MGE wikis and entries as much as I can to determine power levels and match up outcomes, but I'm also using http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/ to also help fill in any blanks if absolutely needed.

Pharaoh vs Vampire: This fight is interesting as they're both magically powerful and the vampire apparently possesses good combat abilities; however, they are weak to sun light and fresh water. Pharaohs, when they awaken, cause springs to overflow with water and, being based off Egyptians, most likely worship the sun, which would probably imply spells based on sunlight? This is a bit of a stretch, but I think I'll give this to Pharaohs. Vampires just have too many weaknesses.

Jabberwock vs Ryu: Again, Jabberwock loses due to not having a sharp mind and the Ryu is far more magically inclined.

Ignis vs Griffon: An Ignis is a simple elemental, and the Griffon is quite powerful. This will either be a short fight with the Griffon quickly dispatching the Ignis, or the Ignis would slowly roast the Griffon. I'm going to give this to the Griffon, but they would definitely sustain some burns.

Baphomet vs Valkyrie: Valkyries are disciplined and specialized in monster fighting, but Baphomets are very powerful. If Baphomets were just a little less powerful, a Valkyrie may have been able to win one on one, but the Baphomet should win this fight.

Dark Mage vs Queen Slime: I believe if given enough preparation time, a Dark Mage may be able to win through the use of some sort of developed anti-slime potion or something, but with nothing but general preparation for a fight, I think the Queen Slime should be able to win just through sheer variance and utility.

Cursed Sword vs Undine: Similar to the Cursed Sword vs Sylph match up. Cursed Sword wins.

Dark Valkyrie vs Wight: Going to give this to the Dark Valkyrie due to its slightly higher general power levels and what monster fighting training they would have gotten. While a Wight is a very high level undead, they're a text book undead lord and should be easy enough to win against consistently.

Echidna vs Titania: While the Echidna does seem to be a regular Lamia with particularly strong fathers, Titania just doesn't specialize much in fighting. Titania though, with just its sheer magical power difference when compared to the Echidna, should win.

Kraken vs Lich: While the Lich is magically superior, the Kraken should win out just due to sheer size and ferocity. This fight would depend on environment, for the sake of simplicity, assume both monsters are operating in some of environment that either is a compromise between both of their optimal environments or is both, just different for each of them.

Dragon Zombie vs Sylph: I'm starting to see a trend of elementals getting their shit packed, but they're just too weak. Stronger than cannon fodder, but weaker than the conventionally strong. The Dragon Zombie probably wouldn't be able to fly during this state, but if the Sylph gets within attacking range of the Dragon, it's over. Zombie Dragon wins.

Inari vs Manticore: Similar situation to Inari vs Griffon, but a less powerfiul opponent for the Inari. Inari wins.

Dragon vs Demon: Both powerful in their own right, indeed as is true with all monsters in their tournament, but the Dragon is very martially superior. Dragon wins.

Ice Queen vs Lilim: I'm pretty sure a Lilim should be able to one hit KO quite a few monsters, but in combat, what really happens? In the old world succubus couldn't win fights for a reason, and the throne of Demon Lord was won on behalf of the current Demon Lord, so really, how powerful are Lilim in combat? I am not sure, but since the Ice Queen and LIlim are both not martially inclined, it doesn't really matter. Lilim has more power, LIlim win.

>>289375

Round Three

Vampire vs Apophis: I'm going with Apophis on this one due to its overall very high strength, and how vampires are weak to a fucking vegetable.

Demon vs Dark Mage: I think this is similar to the Dark Mage vs Queen Slime match-up, if the Dark Mage has prep time, they could win, but I think the Demon is too powerful out of the box for the Dark Mage to handle. Demon win.

Lilim vs Griffon: This is too confusing. This goes back to the explanation of Lilim in round two with Ice Queen vs Lilim. A Lilim is just a very powerful succubus, something that wasn't capable of fighting off the strongest monsters before. The griffon on the other hand is capable of fending off dragons, and that is the key to understanding the outcome of this battle. The Lilim is capable of turning human females into monsters, yes, but they're incapable of easily turning them into high level monsters such as a dragon unless the human woman at time has huge amounts of mana herself. With this in mind, it could be deduced that the Lilim doesn't have mind boggingly large amounts of power when compared to Baphomets, Dragons, or, and this one surprised me, Echnida. So, for the Lilim to gather the energy to produce a Dragon out of a human woman, she needs to strain herself, take a lot of mana from the woman, and already be overwhelmingly powerful herself. So yes, the Lilim isn't the power house we all thought at first, and… To put it all together, a Griffon, as mentioned before, is capable of fending off or beating a dragon, so a Griffon can be assumed to be of similar power level, perhaps only slightly lower, of a dragon, of which the average Lilim either has an equivalent power level of or just slightly more or less. In conclusion, a Griffon fending off or beating a Lilim is within the realm of possibility. Who takes the win? Neither, as a Griffon could fend the Lilim off, but a Griffon couldn't do enough to ensure victory, neither could the Lilim. First tie!

In light of me finding evidence to support the high energy levels of an Echidna, the previous matches of Echidna vs Demon and Echidna vs Titania have both been switched to favor Echidna, as they seemed pretty close anyway. Additionally, if a Lilim can't beat a Griffon, there's sure as hell no way an Inari could. Inari vs Griffon match-up switched to favor Griffon.

Pharaoh vs Baphomet: Oh goodness, two power house fights in a row? Baphomet is presumably strong enough to resist the commands of the Pharaoh, the Pharaoh's main ability, so this fight, since the Baphomet has more tools that they have practice with at their disposal, would probably end with Baphomet victorious.

Ryu vs Dark Valkyrie: Ryu is just simply too high level to be defeated by a Valkyrie, especially a Dark Valkyrie.

Valkyrie vs Echidna: A Valkyrie is just too well disciplined to lose against such a vaguely defined opponent who just seems to be an abnormally powerful Lamia with no special abilities except child birth.

Queen Slime vs Kraken: I'm trying to imagine what would have to happen for this fight to take place. Perhaps a Queen Slime and her husband are taking a boat ride? Is the boat made of slime? I don't know. Regardless, pretty sure the Kraken would win through sheer brute force.

Undine vs Dragon Zombie: See Dragon Zombie vs Sylph. DZ +1

Wight vs Inari: The Inari just depends so much on how many tails they have. If the Inari has nine tails, the Wight will probably lose.

Titania vs Dragon: The Dragon is very strong and is highly skilled in combat, the Titania is a giant fairy. Dragon win.

Lich vs Ice Queen: The Ice Queen is powerful enough to have near omnipresence in an entire region, I think the Ice Queen takes this one with her level of inert magical ability.

Sylph vs Jabberwock: See Dragon Zombie vs Sylph. Jabberwock win.

Manticore vs Ignis: While the Manticore is an impressive fighter, they're just flesh and blood. The Ignis has magical fire abilities. The Ignis should win.

>>289381

Oh man, I need a break already. This will be the last round for a while.

Round 4

Baphomet vs Vampire: See previous Vampire matches. Vampire just has too many weaknesses to be a threat to a high level combat capable monster such as the Baphomet. Especially since even if the Vampire wasn't disabled by the smell of the Baphomets garlic lunch, the Baphomet is powerful enough to beat the Vampire one on one.

Dark Valkyrie vs Sylph: Similar to Sylph vs Dragon Zombie. The Valkyrie wouldn't be able to use her wings very well, but she would win very easily the moment she got into range. Dark Valkyrie win.

Lilim vs Manticore: Lilim. There's no arguing this like the Lilim vs Griffon match up. Manticore too weak sauce. Don't tell them I said that, though.

Cursed Sword vs Apophis: This is a hard one, though, I'm going to say since the Cursed Sword is already in a perpetual berserker state, the Apophis's bread and butter, their venom, won't have much affect on the Cursed Sword, so the Cursed Sword will take this one.

Kraken vs Demon: Kraken wins due to sheer power. As is often the case. You don't get the ability to pull down entire ships by being weak.

Echidna vs Pharaoh: This match is similar to the Baphomet vs Pharaoh match, but the Echidna doesn't bring much to the table to challenge a Pharaoh without her command ability, but the Pharaoh should still have something to fight an Echidna, seeing as they lived in the age of the primal monsters and are probably experienced enough to deal with an over glorified Lamia. I'm sorry for the Echnida hate, but they really just seem to be over-glorified. Pharaoh win.

Ryu vs Inari: God battle! Ryu unfortunately are the far more adept and powerful gods when it comes to combat though… Short battle: Ryu win.

Dragon vs Valkyrie: Valkyries are strong indeed and specialized in fighting monsters, but a Dragon isn't any ordinary monster and should have more than enough combative power to beat a single Valkyrie. Dragon win.

Ice Queen vs Queen Slime: A god and a queen battle in the same round? Madness. An Ice Queen seems to be very magically adept, and while a Slime Queen can have a delegation towards magic, they aren't as naturally able. Considering how an Ice Queen could probably become more powerful with the same amount of time if said time was given to a Queen Slime, an Ice Queen wins this.

Jabberwock vs Undine: I see no reason why a Dragon type can't handle a simple elemental. Elementals need to be buffed.

Ignis vs Wight: Compared to a Wight, an Ignis is a worthy opponent, but a Wight is supposedly as far as undead can go in terms of power and are quite magically inclined, so I will give this to the Wight, though it would be close.

Dark Mage vs Titania: I think this is the first win for Titania. A Dark Mage seems to have a lot of potential and versatility given time to prepare, as they should be able to research or come up with a magical solution such is common with the traditional witch they're supposed to parody, but out of the box and with no specialized prep time, I don't see a Dark Mage standing up against the Queen of the Fairies.

Griffon vs Lich: The average lich isn't supposed to be too powerful, and the Griffon is supposed to be roughly the same as a Dragon, so Griffon wins.

Currently there's a four way tie for first between the Ryu, Dragon, Baphomet, and Griffon. All with an undefeated win streak. Which doesn't seem to have any resolution in sight except for a Dragon vs Baphomet match in Round 6. So there's something to look forward to.

>>289382

Sorry, my mistake, Ryu, Dragon, and Baphomet are the only on a four round undefeated streak; however, Cursed Sword and Griffon are undefeated with Griffon sitting on one tie.

>>289399

Now that we've determined that indeed the Dragon is the most powerful monster though, it's time to determine who would win, a paladin or a dragon?

In the MGE, it is implied that Dragons will only drive off men who can't beat them in combat, instead of raping them or something, and it is said that they look down upon humans and such. So why would one ever strike their fancy? Or what happens when one beats a dragon in combat? It would be likely that a man stronger than her would be taken sexually by her, or a man who beats her in combat to be seduced by her. Why does any of this matter? Since only men who are stronger than her know her sexually, there must be men who are stronger than dragons in order for the knowledge of dragons in regards to their sexual practices in their current forms to exist in the first place, as it's unlikely they, in their strong willed state, would ever speak of it otherwise, so it stands to reason that there are men who are powerful enough to beat a dragon, and if a man exists who is powerful enough to beat a dragon, there can be paladin who is strong enough to beat a dragon. Ergo, paladin > dragon. >>289326 is the actual winner

>>289404

>this is what loli-fags really believe

>>289400

>>289404

Is it still winning if the man inevitably ends up being charmed by the monster girl he defeated and becomes her husband? Of course it is

>>289190

>>289393

>leggy baph

More like this please

>>289412

>Filthy mud

Disgusing.

>>289413

She's a gnome, not a doromeme. She's dirt, not mud.

>>289404

Hm, I wasn't aware of any canonical showing of Baphomets power, I just assumed that their magical ability was just ambiguously powerful and similar to a Dragons as they're supposed to be made up of similar amounts of energy. Obviously I need to do yet more research and reading as the outcome I decided is being put into question. Tell me, can you provide any more specific canonical examples of the powers that are able to be utilized by Baphomets, Dragons, elementals, Lilims, or any other magical focused monster? I've had a hard time trying to find out what exactly they can use. I will read more on what you've already provided, and I'll try and find out what the Dragon can do as well on the realm of magic, because surely they're near each other in power level, and it wouldn't, shouldn't, be so uneven, but I suppose we'll see. Also depending on the magical abilities and their usage by Lilims as well, it may actually be a Lilim vs Baphomet.

>>289412

My bad on forgetting the elemental of dirt. As for the elementals losing so bad, I just feel like they are strong in their own right, but in this heavy weight tournament they can only win in specific match ups, like an Undine versus a Queen Slime or something. If you have any evidence to prove me wrong such as examples of their magical feats when involving one on one combat, please share it as it would be welcomed, and I would run through the tournament all over again just to see where they would replace.

And as a side note, I'm not a hundred percent sure about the rarity of elementals. Are they like in MGQ where there's only one of each but they're supposed to be quite powerful, or are they like in most RPGs in that they are plentiful and not that powerful? KC, at least how I see it, really needs to go over specifications like this more often instead of spending half the entry talking about the favorite movie of the monster at hand or something.

>>289482

Hm, I was afraid of that, I needed a picture that conveyed a paladin defeating a dragon in such a manner; that was the best I could find. If you want to find a replacement with a MGE dragon instead, go for it, but I couldn't and I find that picture hilarious.

>>289509

Oh I see, yes I agree, less snout would be good, but sadly such a picture I can't find. I suppose I'll have it commissioned soon.

>>289404

>The baphomet only romances a man that's stronger than her

That's not entirely concrete in the setting though. It says that happens in most cases but not all, and at the end of the paragraph, in which that statement is made about wanting a strong husband, it says that the truth is uncertain. It could be their preference, but it doesn't mean a weaker guy would be excluded. And I believe reading somewhere, that many monster girls who seek stronger husbands and who come across a weaker guy that they really adore may challenge them and purposefully lose to take that man as their husband.

>>289326

Paladindu's on the list, but on the other hand he goes up against a Valkyrie almost surely.

Valkyrie probably wins just due to her placement on the list, assuming she beats a dragon.

If not, then the Paladindu has a shot at coming back from the loser's bracket, but probably not.

>>289531

Baph just seek the man with the strongest Onii-chan aura, or so it goes according to my strong desire for it to be so.

>>289587

Baphomet sets up a competition of who can be her onii-chan. The man who can best pamper, play with, and be protective of her gets to be her one and only onii-chan.

>>289288

A jabberwock is the result of a black dragon**Supposedly he strongest breed of dragon" is enhanced with wonderland magic.

Whether or not they actually get more strength from the transformation is up for debate, But she would still be top tier dragon thats nearly impossible to kill/beat

>>289625

I don't see where it says anything about black dragons on the MGE wiki page. It says it was a regular dragon though.