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 No.991655

http://nationalpost.com/entertainment/movies/cultural-lessons-of-2013-thor-is-the-new-superman

>There’s a public fondness for Christopher Reeves’ classic “aw-shucks-spandex” portrayal from 1978, but most people would agree that our modern tastes wouldn’t be too accepting of the old-fashioned flawless farmer Superman. So, yeah, he needed an update. But the resulting nihilistic dud, last summer’s Man of Steel from hollow director Zach Snyder and dark, meandering producer Christopher Nolan was as fun as a fire in a Planet Hollywood: destruction and sadness burning away any goodwill brought in through nostalgia.

>We were treated to Henry Cavill’s dour Superman, raised to not help anyone, and Amy Adams’ Lois Lane, devoid of charm and saddled with clunky dialogue where she has to tell people she’s a Pulitzer-winning journalist so people will realize she’s a good journalist. The relentlessly bleak movie culminates with wild disregard for human life in a grim, destructive finale that went on forever and ended with (SPOILERS) Superman slaughtering his adversary, crying and screaming to an unjust god amidst a city he helped destroy.

>Thor always seemed like a third-rate hard-sell, but after Chris Hemsworth’s surprisingly fun turn as the blond thunder god in two Thor movies and The Avengers, it’s now pretty clear to me that Thor is the new Superman.

>Thor smiles; naturally, even. The new Superman smiles with sad eyes, like it’s a bone thrown to the audience to let them know that this isn’t just a flying Batman. Thor battles the bad guys with a sense of fun, even though, and here’s the interesting part, he’s a warrior who surely kills people. So, do I have a double standard here? Why is it OK for fictional alien do-gooder No. 1 to kill people and not the other guy? Well, it’s all in the execution, so to speak. Superman unleashed holy hell in a dark, painfully contrived, no-win scenario, culminating in a disturbing snapping of a person’s neck. Thor threw his super-hammer at a rock monster in a daylight battle, smashing it to pieces, and then delivering a fun quip. Did that rock monster have a rock family? A little rock monster at home, wondering where rock daddy is? I don’t know. Who cares? It was gleeful and ludicrous and unreal, like a comic book. Bloodless and bright.

>Thor is fun, the way Superman should be; his cape is a bright, hopeful red and you want to hang out with him. The Superman in Man of Steel is a guy you want to keep your distance from, more coldly alien than the Asgardian who just arrived here. They’re both immigrants to Earth, but even though the Man of Steel Superman was raised here, Thor feels more connected to humans in his movies, more their champion. More their Superman.

What do you think, /co/? Will his MCU adventures one day have Thor supplant Superman as this and the next generation’s flying brick hero icon?

 No.991656


 No.991657

>>991655

>nationalpost

Archive faggot


 No.991661

>>991655

Thor is already more iconic than Superman thanks to the MCU. All of the main Avengers are with Thor, Hulk, Captain America, Iron Man and Loki leading the pack. Loki isn't an Avenger, but he's become just as icon as the above group because of his actor and the way he was written. This just goes to show how important it is to both have the right actor and the right writer(s) for the job.

None of them can yet hold a candle to Batman though. He's far too iconic over a variety of media. That can change if WB lets Batman rot for a decade or so though.


 No.991663

>>991661

>>991655

OP stop talking to yourself


 No.991691

>but most people would agree that our modern tastes wouldn’t be too accepting of the old-fashioned flawless farmer Superman.

"Why is nobody reading us any more?"

"Why are audiences plummeting?"

"We're giving them exactly what we tell them they want!"


 No.991693

>>991691

Nobody cares Anon.


 No.991697

I can see it. The article actually makes a good point about MCU Thor seeming like a sort of modernized Superman, but the MCU will still need to do a lot more with him to make him a Superman tier icon. People always misunderstand that Supes isn't about the powerlevel, he's about the idealism. That's why people have loved him for the past fucking century, despite everyone claiming he's a Mary Sue or some shit. If the next Avengers movie has him calmly talk to Thanos to make him understand why he's wrong, we MIGHT be starting toward seeing him as the new Superman.


 No.991700

>>991655

Was that so hard my little refugee.

http://archive.is/9qFhu


 No.991701

>>991697

>we MIGHT be starting toward seeing him as the new Superman.

No, you're just a dumbass Anon.


 No.991709

>>991701

This board has continued to prove itself completely incompetent on understanding what the average audience wants, so you can feel free to continue to be wrong.


 No.991712

>>991709

>This board

Who the fuck talks like this?


 No.991716

>>991712

Do you think this board doesn't have a hive mind when it comes to MCU movies? Anytime they're discussed, most of the posts are complaining that casuals are invading, or >>991663, which you can find in literally every MCU thread. Half the posts are fucking sages, despite retards not realizing how saging works, and if the thread is about *recentely released MCU movie* then the entire thread is nothig but a bunch of retards claiming "THIS IS THE ONE, THIS IS THE MOVIE THAT KILLS THE MCU" since fucking GotG, 4 years ago. "This board" is a culmunative statement based off year of being here, and I've earned the right to call you a bunch of fucking mindhiving retards that don't try to comprehend what's going on in the world.


 No.991717

>>991716

> I've earned the right to call you a bunch of fucking mindhiving retards that don't try to comprehend what's going on in the world.

Then fuck off


 No.991718

>>991655

well in power terms thor is certainly the superman analogy of the MCU. he even played the same role in A:IW as superman in JL; he had 'died' in a previous movie (got his hammer destroyed, same thing) and came back just in time to smack the main villain around.


 No.991719


 No.991720

>>991709

Thor is not even close to be the new Superman.


 No.991721

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>>991719

>no u

>>991720

>Thor is not even close to be the new Superman.

Don't respond to the faggot, he's nothing but a shitposter.


 No.991722

>>991709

The average audience claims to want the Justice League movie. Dark and edgy, so they don't feel embarrassed to watch a superhero movie, but also with jokes to make fun of the fact they're watching a superhero movie. And then they receive that and wonder why it isn't very good.


 No.991744

>>991655

>The Nationalshitpost

Hahaha, no, before he became just a side-character nobody who has no identity other than Hammer-guy pseudo-Alien/God thing who does occasional capeshit in the Marvel movies, he was under Walt Simonson, a fucking God who was bros with humans (Don't ask him about his marauding and raping Viking-worshipers) where each storyline actually went into deep Norse mythology and there was no viking niggers and divershitty, now how, how the fuck is Thor the new superman? or is this shit the Nationalshitpost under Marvel's wallet pissing off DC?


 No.991756

>>991744

>how the fuck is Thor the new superman?

Because the author is a retarded hipster and possible movie fanboy. He's ignoring any and all of the comics, because those are for evil nerds. And ignoring that Superman has been a cultural icon for the better part of century for a reason, because he only cares about what he's like right now.


 No.991758

>tfw Thor did the Death and Return of Superman better than DCEU Superman

Compare:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCjPBpdlccM

to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzhzNbWOs58

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlUK3maoNYw

It’s crazy.


 No.991759

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Thor predates Superman.

We got any ancient Vikings on the board who could quote actual issue numbers? I know it'd be before Beowulf #1, or the Nibelungenlied TP.


 No.991768

>>991693

Speak for yourself.

Also, the author in the OP

>Thor always seemed like a third-rate hard-sell

Clearly doesn't know about how big Thor was in the 70's. It bugs me when these people barge in with unwarranted authority on a topic.

Also, the question he poses is a resounding no, and this is as someone who's learned to like Thor.


 No.991781

>Superman

>ever being replaced as the ultimate hero in pop culture

There are people in nursing homes that can't remember their children's names but know Superman. He has a simple design, a whole bunch of powers that people can readily name, a simple backstory etc.

Thor is half as popular as he used to be, and back then he had no chance against Superman.

The author is clearly only talking about the movies, and as soon as Hemsworth is gone, they'll forget about Thor. They only know the name because it's Hemsworth behind the suit, and once he leaves they'll go to his next film, not the next Thor.

>>991716

>based off year of being here

A whole single year? Get a noose and don't let the pearly gates hit you on the way out.




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