/co/ - Comics & Cartoons

>>990064

How do you know this? I find it interesting that you attack OP for posting a 4chan thread while simultaneously admitting that you still visit 4chan.

Mostly a target demographic thing. 9-13 year olds can relate to having a crush but not to actually being in a relationship with a girl

>>990078

Well, before everything became completely cancer, children and teenagers more often watched adults, or programmes featuring a mix of adults and children, representing something closer to the real world, or relationships, instead of this Beyond Thunderdome children's-only fag-fest that is in everything now.

Same with the reduction of all superheros to 12 year olds.

Peter Parker is a good example of this.

He had always had a job at a newspaper, seemed to be in his early or mid 20s.

Then they made him a high school student of 16-17.

Then the next iteration younger.

Now he's about 14 and running around with iron man as his mentor.

Whitney>Pepper

You know this to be true.

Writing-wise, teasing the question and is better than for the dynamic between characters because coupling them up usually leads to contrived conflicts and clichés.

>>990080

>He's always been a highschooler.

Peter's high school days in the comics were pretty short though. He graduated way back in Amazing Spider-Man #28.

>>990080

>always been a highschooler

>28 issues

Fuck you.

>>990113

Would them being a couple be any less contrived in conflicts and cliches than what we already get with the love triangle bits in cartoons? Love triangles in cartoons are designed to create conflict and is hardly ever done well. Usually done late in the season to stir unnecessary drama to boost a shows rating. Better to have a couple than fans force shipping at the tiniest bits.

>>990113

"Contrived conflicts and clichés" is exactly how you keep the will they/won't they status going though. An ongoing story that refuses to abandon the status quo is working harder for a less interesting result.

>>990062

As an aside, how is this show? I watched the first episode, but thought the animation looked like shit and never went back. Is it worth giving another shot?

>>990062

Be happy you’re not into anime then.

>>990153

At least in anime, most of the time, the male lead does get the girl…except in certain series where the male lead is a damn pushover and the love interest is a bitch who'd bludgeon the guy for a simple misunderstanding…for comedic purposes of course.

>>990062

Pepper kinda looks like a trap

Is this a joke? Forced relationship shit is rampant in literally every fucking cartoon now. Even Futurama wasn't safe from it.

>>990217

> in literally every fucking cartoon

It's in every show, period.

>>990212

Are you denying she looks like a crossdressing ginger boy?

>>990217

Read the OP again. It's that they never progress into an actual couple, just a mutual attraction.

In fact, I can't think of any western cartoon couples that aren't A: introduced as a couple or B: became a couple in what was intended to be the finale

You could always read a book.

Or better yet, go outside!

Western cartoons tend to have Status Quo enforced so the syndicates don't have to remember what order they're in.

Also, they more often have children as MC's and freak out over underage couples more than, say, Japan.

>>990495

Reported for shitposting.

>>990154

>except in certain series where the male lead is a damn pushover and the love interest is a bitch who'd bludgeon the guy for a simple misunderstanding…for comedic purposes of course.

So a good chunk of light novel anime adaptations.

We need more shows with established couples that don't focus on arguing and less about people trying to find romance

>>990062

Because Western Animation draws its roots heavily from problem-a-day formats, likely stemming from earlier Disney and Loony Toons shorts that revolved around slapstick and a failure to develop a deeper formula.

They would rather rely on maintaining a background 'continuity' of the occasional minor event being remembered rather than a building a consistent narrative. Heck, probably ties back into comics too, since during the silver age villainy had to be resolved by the end of the issue. And it ties into the three act structure.

Western cartoons are made for children, and unfortunately children are treated like children, by which I mean babies. 'How would they keep up with the story if the status quo changed?' is the usual logic, despite ample evidence to the contrary. This is probably why anime took off in the west so hugely. Stories, even the extremely drawn out ones like One-Piece and Naruto had story arcs, narratives, events, things that changed.

Romance is exceptionally hard to tackle in this regard, as young audiences, such as sub-10 year olds, are seen as uninterested in such stories (which may be true), while teenagers are… awkward as shit and develop at different rates, making it difficult to say when they are and aren't interested in romance. Just look at novels aimed at the 13-16 age bracket. Romance, be it a major or a side element, is rarely tackled at length or with realism.

In cartoons this is amplified by not having a god damn ending, which is the usual point that juniour fiction usually has two characters get together.

tl;dr

Probably inherent cultural problems with the format + demographic + what society permits, and an unwillingness to change.

>>990937

Naruto is shit and One Piece is mediocre.

>>990486

>B: became a couple in what was intended to be the finale

Kim Possible?

>>990937

Anon this isn't reddit.

>>991063

>Unrequited love is in all media ton create a sense of longing and long-term emotional issues in men

>Not realizing the basic answer of, "Literally everyone in the world has felt this emotion"

>>990796

Well, that and some early harem series.

Will-They/Won't-They relationships are easier to write for than official couples

>>990062

Another reason why Gumball is top tier. Gumball and Penny like each other from the beginning and start a relationship pretty early.

>>990937

Good points, anon. I usually see the "lol young boys aren't interested, fag" argument, which I say with confidence is less the case than portrayed. I think you're right that they just don't want to go through the effort. Adult programming gives me the impression people don't know how relationships work anyway, drumming up forced drama for entertainment be damned.

>>990062

Doesn't work because North American TV ratings and how each cartoon is just some way to sell merchandise, and no one can write a proper romance with character development, plot hooks, and conflict. And there's also the calarts tumblr invasion with very terrible flash animation infecting every network and channel.

>>991358

Forgot to mention there's that Superboy x Miss Martian thing by Greg Weisman, but it's too safe because superhero comics.

>>991500

It works for those shows because the writers understand how human relationships work instead of writing forced drama and love triangles where everyone involved is a retard.

Fuck off my board pedo

>>991064

>>991062

Fag

>>991582

r u me

I went through the exact same thing. The first two seasons blew my mind because the show had so much imagination and adventure and there was a unique sense of humor and creativity that developed from that. The show was completely unpredictable which made it so fun, and it gave you just enough that you could sort of piece together the setting, and the apocalypse thing was just baaarely hinted at so you could let your imagination run wild with it or completely ignore it and lose nothing. Then the show's creators saw how interested people were in the apocalypse angle so I guess they decided to fucking shove it down our throats to the point where it feels like there's nothing left to imagine anymore because everything has been laid out so explicitly because MUH LORE.

The first two seasons were great and Finn was a great character to watch. His heroic moral code and zest for adventure was refreshing because it was earnest and completely angst-less. And even his crush on Princess Bubblegum was harmless because it was more representative of the hero/damsel archetype and less about the characters involved. Then the fucking flame princess was introduced and Finn went from a unique character to a dime-a-dozen reluctant, doubting teen hero so far up his own ass that he can't see the forest for the trees.

Hell, I'd even argue that Adventure Time has been a downward spiral since Fionna and Cake. I remember watching that episode and having a weird uneasy feeling about it all, like it was the beginning of the end. Little did I know that I was fucking spot on.

Fuck you, Adventure Time. You could have been so great.

I know no one here watched Jimmy Neutron since Sheen and the black chick coupled up with no fanfare.

>>991500

Fuck off, mate. The problem with adventure time wasn't relationships or even lore. It was the fact that they began introducing narrative arcs that would end with absolutely zero payoff.

Tell me with a straight face you prefer blue balled Finn over a Finn that would have been happy with Flame Princess. This also leads me to another point. Finn gets consistently shat on in the later seasons, probably by frustrated writers who took it out on him.

>>991802

You could say anything ruined Adventure Time and you'd still be right, because the later seasons had every single problem you could imagine.

>>991802

>Tell me with a straight face you prefer blue balled Finn over a Finn that would have been happy with Flame Princess.

I'd prefer she didn't exist at all.

april and casey did in TMNT (2003)

the series finale was their wedding

>>992127

You failed second grade grammar or something Anon?