No.972103
Buying comics not written, edited, or drawn by people who think the long time fans are sexist, racist, alt-right, etc etc…
how do you feel about that /co/?
No.972105
>>972103
That's exactly what I try to do now. It's pretty much how I've cut DC and Marvel out of my life. I even have a little mental black list to keep myself safe from making a purchase from a writer I know is like this.
No.972116
>>972111
>not supporting the actual good content out there
I can understand not buying Big Two, but there are more in the industry than just DC and Marvel
No.972120
It's what you do if you're not a brandead moron, it's not like those people can write, edit or draw good comics anyway
No.972130
>>972105
Here's someone to put on that blacklist
No.972155
>>972130
That's the crazy bitch behind Rat Queens. Already on the list.
No.972160
>>972155
>Rat Queens
…do I want to know? Tell me anyway, from my research it SEEMS like a fantasy adventure comic
No.972161
>>972160
Okay imagine a group of nothing but female adventurers that all have some degenerate or cunty behavior to them, sound oh so quirky, and have a cast of side characters like a transgender gay orc. That's Rat Queens.
No.972164
>>972155
And she's the reason why squirrel-girl and Jughead are now better known for derp faces.
No.972169
>>972164
You're thinking of Erica Henderson.
No.972173
>>972130
>do better
there it is again
No.972181
Surprised we haven't had a "sage for eceleb bullshit" yet. This is mainly being pushed by a bunch of Youtubers. I don't mind it, but you know how /co/ can get about anybody on Youtube with 1000+ subs (anybody under that being given a "sage for literally who?" instead)
No.972192
>>972161
There was a story time some time ago
It sucks
No.972201
>>972130
>they feign logic and reason
No.972202
>>972201
Is that the Eraserhead baby?
No.972203
>>972103
Was anyone buying from them anyway?
I don't understand how "#movetheneedle" relates to comics or why anyone cares about it. Comics are a dying industry with very little cultural relevance outside of movies. The only people who would benefit from our reactions to it would be comics journalists desperately trying to get attention via their own gamergate.
Going to all the effort to "black-list" people is stupid. You'd just giving them publicity. It's better to ignore them and let them languish in the dark.
No.972206
>>972105
>>972155
Here's my do not buy list:
Heather Antos,Tom Brevoort,Dan Slott,Gabby Rivera, Gail Simone,Max Bemis,Nick Spencer,
Mark Waid, Michael Bendis, and Magdalene Vissagio
No.972209
>>972202
It's a shitty cuckchan meme. He even forgot to change the filename.
No.972213
>>972206
I'd add Frank Miller, Mark Millar, Jon Hickman, Noelle Stevenson, Grant Morrison, and maybe Greg Rucka to that list. Max Landis too but he doesn't seem to do comics that much in the first place.
No.972215
>>972213
>Frank Miller
I thought he was a right ringer.
No.972217
>>972203
the point of the hashtag is whitelisting, not blacklisting. it's showing the comics that are acceptable and have a potential audience as opposed to those that exist only to virtue signal that nobody ever buys, including the people who politically agree with them.
No.972218
>>972215
He's also an extremely old out of touch man that can't write good stories anymore. Only one hit wonders of the past.
No.972221
>>972160
An adventure comic with LGBTGRILLEDBBQ women who subvert western traditionalism and beauty standards.
yaaaaassss kweeeen slaaaaaaay
No.972232
>>972155
Except she wasn't. Fowler was just a hired pen. Weibe and Upchurch were the ones who created the comic. Fowler was brought in only after Upchurch was arrested for beating his wife, and Sejic ditched the comic.
>>972111
There are still good, non-big two comics out there. Especially now that more and more European books gets translated. Too bad that so many of them are only digital.
>>972160
It's a DnD inspired comic about all female adventurer's party calling themselves Rat Queens. Group consists of: a cunty human atheist cleric, a cunty emo/rockabilly/hipster elf wizard, a cunty defiant hipster dwarf warrior with 'muh tradition' angst, and a randumb hipplie hafling rogue. Later on they are joined by a tranny orc. They have edgy adventures involving copious amounts of gore, lazy toilet humor, and meeting at least three gender-bent and incompetent versions of Rat Queens.
There is also a bad romance subplot between the elf wizard and city guard captain, that becomes hilarious once you realize that captain is based off of (or is a self insert of) Upchurch and Elf Wizard is based on his wife that he used to beat and who divorced him eventually. Coincidentally enough, elf wizard turns out to really be a demon who deceives not-Upchurch city guard captain character, and then ends up betraying Rat Queens. Assuming that it takes 4 to 6 months from an issue being written to ending up in print, this subplot's events clearly correspond to Upchurch getting arrested for domestic violence, social media outrage forcing him off the book, and the divorce.
>>972206
>>972213
There's more: Kieron Gillen, Nick Spencer, Kurtis Wiebe, Kate Leth, Henderson, Alex Alonso, Jason Aaron, Ron Marz, Warren Ellis, Gath Ennis, Mary Sue DeConnick, and Jeremy Wheatly.
No.972241
>>972232
>It's a DnD inspired comic
You know, the japanese got inspired by DnD.
However, instead of stuff like Rat Queens, they made things like Record of Lodoss War.
No.972242
>>972215
He said some bad stuff about our orange poppa, so he's on the blacklist.
No.972246
>>972206
>>972213
>>972232
I have one more: the entire comic book industry
It's nothing but a hive leftist trash. Stick with manga or true books like Alt-hero.
No.972247
>>972232
>Ron Marz
Are you fags just hating writers because they're bad or because they're left-leaning?
Because if you're doing the latter then that's really retarded.
No.972248
>>972246
Isn't this the comic series by Vox Day? I'm wary of this one.
No.972250
>>972248
Oh yeah, it's by Vox Day.
Really though, if you're basing your reading habits on politics, you should kill yourself.
No.972251
>>972248
How else can you purge the SJW disease from our hobby if you don't support the vaccine?
No.972255
>>972246
>>972251
>shitposting about it
>not story timing it
What a fucking fag.
No.972257
>>972250
It's not politics for me. I just want good stories not some preachy crap.
No.972262
>>972251
Vox Day hastily cobbling together a comic book series to take advantage of the social media backlash to the hard left status quo is hardly a "vaccine". A real vaccine would be doing what the industry is currently failing to do and that is capturing a new audience, Injecting some legit excitement and energy into the medium.
No.972272
And as usual, the Bigenders and the Littleenders are fighting over bullshit while the world burns.
Minds so mired in duality they can't even process the concept of "make better comics" as anything but "politicise comics more".
This is why Earth can't have nice things!
No.972277
>>972246
I can't tell if you're being ironic or not. Politics of any kind do not belong in comics anymore.
No.972295
>>972247
Marz didn't write anything decent in over a decade, if not two. Just like Miller. He claims to be 'so busy' but somehow manages to be almost constantly on social media, mostly sperging about Trump or sucking dicks of celebrities that agree with his political views. To his credit, he did tone it down compared to year or two ago. I had hopes for his Beasts of the Black Hand, but the more I look at it, it looks like it's going to be more like typical WWI/WWII story about Russians, Germans, and Brits written by an American who has only very a vague and simplistic understanding of history and cultures.
There are left leaning creators that I like, but all of them seem to still have a good story left in them, their existence doesn't revolve around politics, and they don't take themselves or their politics too seriously. Felippe Smith, Jason Stokke, Mignola, Adam Hughes, and Cho can produce entertaining books despite leaning left.
No.972325
>>972295
Hughes has two shit Archie books under his belt though. Mignola meanwhile has a problem of wearing himself/his ghost writers too thin. Hellboy in Hell never got a proper concise run because of it.
No.972335
>>972206
>Not supporting people who hate you and actively cheer for your suffering and death is pretty basic stuff.
Add Jason Aaron and Marguerite Bennett
No.972355
>>972246
> Alt-hero
the only people that are buying that comic are SJWs that use it as ammo to say that the industry is full of Nazis, and far right morons that watch videos by red ice tv, and think that race and culture are the same thing.
No.972357
Excuse me for being so slow on the uptake, but what the hell is the meaning of "move the needle"? Etymology, slang, what does it refer to?
No.972358
>>972130
Moderate men have fostered an understanding that no amount of compromise is going to stop these fucking freakshows from shoving their drivel down their throats. No amount of moderation is going to stop the left from gutting every piece of media and using it as a pulpit for their dumbass political opinions. The reason that these "moderates" are radicalizing is because they're seeking a legitimate antithesis to this horseshit, and the left has given them no other choice.
This shit makes me way angrier than I have any reason to be, Jesus Christ.
No.972371
>>972209
This is the first and final warning you'll get about making fun of my taste, pardner
No.972374
>>972355
Damn straight. Radical centrism is the only intelligent way to go.
No.972394
>>972130
I got a little scurred that that was the chick with the big titties at first. Whew.
No.972395
>>972155
I gave up on that pile after the first issue. I guess Peter Panzerfaust was Wiebe's one hit.
No.972407
>>972374
Define "centrism" and explain what makes yours "radical".
No.972419
>>972103
Can you still buy anything then but tumblr-shit?
No.972423
If you like to look at women (drawn or otherwise) then you're a sexist pig. Although if you don't love women and hate men, you're also a sexist pig.
No.972445
>>972316
Don't bother to someone of her mindset anyone to the right of Marx is a Nazi.
No.972446
>>972355
>>972277
You don't gain much from being a fence-sitting centrist. The left has been winning the culture war because they over-bargain. Their overreach is why they consider libertarians as nazis. We have to do the same so that we would make libertarians look normal.
No.972465
>>972458
>Even if you had a benign comic with seemingly nothing political in it etc.
The trick is to answer such noise with either complete silence on part of the author, or those three simple words: "I don't care."
I think a comic can remain true to its intended purpose so long as the author doesn't try to make themselves into some kind of celebrity or champion.
Pic related ran from 1994 to 2015, and the creator is saying he's still making more. Whatever values are put in a good light or a bad light, it's never become overly politicized. probably because it's a bunch of fluffy animals, so folks don't take it seriously, but you get my point.
No.972466
>>972446
I'm not a centrist. I'm heavily right wing but that doesn't mean I want political extremes in my entertainment.
>>972458
That's unavoidable. No matter what you do, how you do it, or how many people praise you, there will always be people complaining about what you do. Politics or not that just won't go away.
No.972475
>>972465
>The trick is to answer such noise with either complete silence on part of the author, or those three simple words: "I don't care."
It does not work anymore, SJW will make up context, even if what is made is completely innocence of politics, or not, they'll just say something is sexist, racist, (instert tumblr copypasta here). Even if the character or group in question is, and with reason, they will attack the very people who work on it just because, tell other until many people how have not read or heard of the book believe it, just so they may have an army of useful idiot. With that army they'll just attack the creators until they win or they become the loudest, so their truth is heard first, so the creators has to be on the defensive. What is worse is that they go so far as to attack family and friends just for associating with them to the point of doxxing and more.
No.972535
>>972394
You mean Tessa Fowler? Holy shit, I did too. Close call there.
No.972568
>>972465
What is the best Usagi Yojimbo story?
No.972587
No.972590
>>972446
The only people that think being a centrist is the same as being a fence sitter are extremist who see everything as black and white.
No.972601
>>972587
i remember getting them and Groo out from the library when i was a kid but i can barely remember the names of the stories only that the author of Yojimbo wife got really sick
No.972607
>>972601
Ya got a torrent link?
No.972616
No.972629
>>972607
no but i havent checked the vola
No.972638
>>972446
>if you don't want politics you are a centrist
>implying moderation is not the way to go rather then full right or full left
No.972661
>>972335
Jason who…and the sex negative feminist that made the crappy queen of HEL comic
No.972663
>>972458
It is really depressing how politicized everything became. It also seems like most creators completely forgot how to explore political and social concepts in their work without making it a propaganda.
>>972465
>Pic related ran from 1994 to 2015
It is still running.
>>972465
You forgot that they will also go after your publisher, producers, sponsors, business partners, and investors if you have any. Unfortunately, most of them tend to buckle to social media pressure.
>>972568
You can literally pick any volume and it will be at least good.
No.972672
>>972357
Record needles maybe?
No.972674
>>972357
it's a reference to heroin. the idea is that the needle is currently not injected into a vein so the needle has to be moved so that it is in a vein so that everything can be good again.
No.972677
No.972678
>>972246
>Vox-Gay
Kill yourself.
No.972679
>>972251
>the vaccine is shitty comics by hack writers who can only sell their books through jumping on bandwagons
No.972697
>>972674
Ackchyually, it's a reference to Krokodil.
The injection must occur.
No.972766
Capeshit has to die in order to rid the world from its soulless, derivative, disgusting corporate regurgitating of ideas.
No.972783
>>972661
Jason Aaaron is also responsible for Fem Thor.
>>972663
> It also seems like most creators completely forgot how to explore political and social concepts in their work without making it a propaganda.
It absolutely is. It's sad that the 90's did a better job of this politics and diversity stuff than modern writers are capable of.
No.972785
>>972766
>thinking that the world as a whole wants to be rid of it
>not just the two biggest problems parasitizing it
No.972787
>>972785
Capeshit is inherently corrupted by its format.
Good writing is the EXCEPTION in capeshit, not the rule. The whole draw of capeshit is that its derivative and unoriginal, those are the UPSIDES of capeshit.
The world as a whole doesnt give a shit about capeshit but it would be a better place for everyone if capeshit ceased to exist.
No.972796
>>972787
>upsides
Wait a minute, not the pizazz and cheesy fun of the capes?
>capeshit
Fuck's sake, you could at least use a term not favored by one of the shittier and selfhating writers in the medium.
No.972799
>>972659
I see your point but here in pizzamandolinoland not now becasue we are under a dictator we have two center one leaning left and the other leaning right so if you want the perfect solution of equilibrium to not have tranny being hero or not-similar people being killed but still have a proper movement to do stuff that works perfectly using both data from left and right you have two choice for center.
No.972820
>>972796
>Wait a minute, not the pizazz and cheesy fun of the capes?
What the fuck comics are you reading? Capes haven't been that for at least ten years now.
No.972823
>>972783
>>972661
He's also responsible for butchering the Punisher's character and making him a two-dimensional edgelord. To add insult to injury, that was the canonical end to the MAX continuity.
No.972824
>>972796
>shittier and selfhating writers in the medium.
No.972837
>>972820
What's Son of Superman, chopped liver? Otherwise, I don't even read comics these days.
But that is the ideal state of comicbook superheroes, not what we're saddled with these days.
>>972824
Ha. I forget which one. Was it Garth Ennis, Warren Ellis, or someone else?
No.972940
>>972130
>The alt-right feign logic
So the alt-right faking shit is still more convincing than the logic of the extremist left?
No.972973
>>972661
>sex negative feminist
Better than the utterly hypocritical degenerates on the other side of the sex wars, not that that's saying much.
No.972979
>>972466
This essentially. Too bad we're too deep into this mess and nothing will ever be the same.
No.972983
>>972374
>>972446
>muh centerist
>muh culture war
It's pathetic that the only thing you can contribute to a conversation is bitching about politics.
No.973050
>>972940
>>972130
>The alt-right feign logic
How do you feign logic? I've never even heard of the concept before. Could someone give me an example?
>>972983
Damn right, my fellow Kekistani! How dare those dang, dirty nazis bring up politics in a discussion about politics!
>>972973
This.
No.973087
>>973050
I don't why so many people are taking Marxists at face value. You know they redefine words to suit their agenda. Words never mean to them what they mean to normal people.
It's not a anecdotal evidence it's a "lived experience" and you can't dismiss it. It's not an opinion, it's "speaking your truth" and it's powerful! When you replace facts with feelings and convince yourself all feelings are logical (but some are more logical than others, of course), then someone with actual, verifiable statistics that fly in the face of those feelings are fake. "Feign logic" in the this case probably means opinions that don't agree with mine, but have some sort of statistical base.
No.973094
>>973050
>How dare those dang, dirty nazis bring up politics in a discussion about politics!
I thought it was discussion about comics.
But apparently that was an excuse so fags could bitch about politics because the political boards are shit-holes.
So this thread isn't /co/ related now, is it?
No.973111
>>973050
>Kekistani
Just because I don't want any kind of irl politics in media concerning a setting different from our reality doesn't mean I'm a frog-pagan-loving reddit fag who subscribes to Sargon of Assad. Get your head out of your ass m8. And before you say I'm a centrist or a lib, I ain't, Liberalists, Classical Liberals, Kekistanis, Marxists, whatever, are all shitstains ruining things, but media like comics and vidya should be about entertainment or escapism and shouldn't be used as a soapbox for politics or an indoctrination tool by anyone.
No.973160
>>973053
That's because thanks to the extremists pushing the false dichotomy fallacy and misusing the moderation fallacy people think that not choosing to be a far left progressive or a far right fascist means you're a spineless fence sitter.
No.973164
>>973111
I'm of the opposite opinion, be as political as you want, just STOP MAKING BAD COMICS.
The real rot comes from the head of the fish, editors have to stop employing writers and artists based on their politics or their race, religion, gender or sexuality. We have to go back to employment based on talent or we're looking at another ten years of noodle arms and shilling.
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No.973211
90% of funnybook makers sided with terrorists when Charlie Hebdo happened.
Expecially the creatives employed by the big two. D & C is a turbo-cuck for defending muslims because of his wife and for not reading Pigman a comic bashing muslims who are one of the biggest threats to the free world right now besides the left
Why are you like this /co/cksuckers? Why are you just the biggest faggots alive?
No.973212
>>973094
This is a good example of reddit spacing.
>>973111
Comics have always been used as political propaganda.
No.973213
>>972246
>tradcuck shill
I hope vox is at least paying you for this, otherwise you're doing this for free.
No.973224
>>973211
I don't get what point of view this comic is supposed to be arguing.
No.973233
>>973111
I wouldn't give a shit about politics in comics (or any other medium) if they all weren't so fucking smug, condescending, and one sided. Every character that speaks the author's point of view are perfect and the clear heroes of the story. Anyone who disagrees are vile monsters of cartoonish levels. That's the tiresome aspect to me. It's like everything became Atlas Shrugged.
No.973236
>>973224
Maybe it's not trying to argue any point, just stirring up shit.
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No.973245
>>973087
I know. I just found her phrasing funny.
>>973094
Politics entered the thread with this post: >>972130
No.973268
>>973211
Didn't you post this on /liberty/ too?
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No.973297
>>972677
Anime titty comics.
No.973399
>>973268
>>973211
Just report and ignore for shitposting.
No.973652
This ain't doing Marvel any favors.
https://archive.fo/hhwOx
No.973760
>>972246
that looks fucking terrible too. what happened to allegory and subtlety?
No.981777
>>972255
Not that fag, but challenge accepted. Also, checking those sick dubs there.