No.964932
What do you think the 2020s will be like for cartoons?
No.964937
>>964932
It will with either hopefully be the late 90s/early 2000s all over again or something much worse than what we are living in now. I told myself I would not turn into a nostalgia le 90s were better fag when it came to cartoons but now I cannot help but act that way. The reason I say that is becasue alot of dumb ass nostalgia fags were shitting on good cartoons like 2002 He-Man,Transformers Beast Wars, and Courage the Cowardly Dog.
No.964953
Everything will be Goanimate or MMD.
The programming will be just vines and memes from the internet.
Kids will only know Hellsing and DBZ from the annotated versions and not realise there was an original.
Weird Chinese Minion babies eating poop cartoons will get airtime.
And the Simpsons will still be going.
No.964955
>>964932
>What do you think the 2020s will be like for cartoons?
No.965028
>>964932
Potentially worse.
No.965038
>>964953
>annotated
You mean abridged?
That shit is the absolute fucking worst. Why does anyone like that?
No.965040
>>965038
Annotated, abridged, aborted, abomination in the eyes of man, same thing.
But I admit to loving that last Hellsing one. "You could nail it to their doors! LIKE A PROTESTANT!"
Satan inviting God to Hell for avocado toast. My sides are a mile and a half apart and still travelling. And the PARTY PARTY PARTY song…
No.965042
No.965046
>>965042
I think we can blame Adult Swim for alot of things
>Could have kick started an era of non-comedy adult cartoons with their time slot and money
>Instead focus on making the newest edgy comedy or stoner shit
>Even when they do have cartoons they just cancel it
>Shit all over the fans who ask for it back
>However every couple of years they some how manage to get a fucking super popular cartoon
No.965094
>>964953
Aren't those minion babies eating poop cartoons all from Streetshittistan?
No.965096
Anyway, western cartoons will all be like that Soviet cartoon on the Simpsons once, characters who slide onto a static or scrolling background and talk with just two frames of their mouths flapping up and down. Only with the art style of that bug-eyed tranny comic. If not actual adaptions of that bug-eyed tranny comic.
Anime will be totally 3D CGI and will look like videogame cutscenes. On some cases it will actually be videogame cutscenes, each episode will be a commercial for that week's episodic DLC.
North Korea will still be making good 2D shit though.
No.965107
for eastern cartoons, I'd imagine that they'd be about the same unless (((they))) manage to get their hands on them more than they already have
as for western cartoons, either
A: trump cleans house and turns this country and its corporations into meritocracies, and causes animation to stop being outsourced too
or
B: they become even worse than they already are, and somehow teen titans go gets a second movie announced
or
C: the industry crashes, except for fox and comedy central, because of the simpsons, bob's burgers, seth macfarlane shows, and south park, the latter kept alive by liberal indoctrination shows such as the daily show
No.965109
>>965107
> trump cleans house and turns this country
And the thread derails, congrats faggot.
No.965113
Piratically everything hosted on streaming services. 90% of what's released being pozzed kids cartoons or pozzed "adult" comedy.
No.965115
i feel like it'll be a continuation of the current dark age.
No.965116
>>965108
>>965109
I mean, you could just not respond to politispergs.
No.965119
>>965116
>refusing to face the truth because politics are involved
I bet your mother fed you soy milk as a baby.
No.965124
Reminder to not reply to the politicunt and to discuss the topic in the thread at hand.
No.965127
>>964932
3D will continue to displace 2D as everyone tries to imitate RWBY's success
No.965170
>>964937
>I told myself I would not turn into a nostalgia le 90s were better fag when it came to cartoons but now I cannot help but act that way.
You're a fucking faggot for denying that.
t. '70s fag
No.965171
No.965172
>>965171
>>965107
Anon, stop talking to yourself.
No.965174
No.965175
>>965046
Don't forget the bomb threat.
No.965177
>>965175
which as a result sent cartoon network into a downward death spiral
No.965186
>>965178
Some people just type in lowercase for some reason
No.965196
>>965178
What are u gonna do??? Ban me? This aint /a/ faggot
No.965202
>>965199
wut, don't try to derail the thread any further
No.965430
completely asexual/androgynous
No.972399
No.972890
>>965175
>Bomb Threat
what?
No.983302
>>972890
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Boston_Mooninite_panic
itt, boston pd and fire department sperged out
>this was 11 years ago
Feels old, man.
No.983330
>>983302
>Feels old, man.
I hear you, the river of time is a bitch.
No.983353
>>964955
Accurate.
We're only about 2 years away from 12 ounce mouse being made again.
No.983360
>>964932
Econfag here. The problem with the animation industry nowadays is that the distribution models for cartoons are inefficient for maximizing profit. There's not enough money to go around for production because the cartoons themselves are not profitable, hence the bland cheap-looking garbage cartoons that predominate the industry. And they're only going to get worse with television ratings plummeting and with the subscription service business model becoming gradually unsustainable and the content on those platforms more shitty.
Despite this, there is hope. There will be a massive vacuum for startups to swoop in and provide alternative business models for studios and creatives to spread their wings. In the coming years, we could see "pay-what-you-want" being the norm for selling cartoons. We could pay for the cartoons we'd want to support and give our money directly to studios, instead of having it go through needless intermediaries. We could see a renaissance in animation on the internet as studios all around the world compete to bring us the best cartoons they can produce.
We're now in the transitional period, and while the animation industry may be bleak today, it will resurrect itself in due time.
No.983372
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No.983375
>>983372
What's this from?
No.983376
>>983375
Suicide Squad Hell to Pay
No.983406
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>>983372
>>983375
There was more. Unlike with their previous films, DC earned the R rating this time around.
>>983360
What made obligations grow so much compared to revenue? Is animation really that expensive, considering shit pay that most animators get? Somehow, live action keeps being profitable somehow, and they usually hire many more people in many different roles. Including animators on occasion.
No.983407
>>983360
So you're saying that animators will be reduced to begging on Patreon just like the rest of the creative fields. Great.
No.983410
>>965094
INDIA IS GOING TO BE A WORLD POWER IN 2020 ASSHOLEBITCH
No.983411
>>983406
>What made obligations grow so much compared to revenue?
Their stocks were overvalued, so they had to justify them with increased content obligations, but their membership growth couldn't increase with them, and in the process they burned 6.4 billion dollars.
>Is animation really that expensive, considering shit pay that most animators get? Somehow, live action keeps being profitable somehow, and they usually hire many more people in many different roles. Including animators on occasion.
The problem subscription services have is that their shows and movies don't pay for themselves. The only thing they sell is access to their catalogs. That alone cannot finance the production of ongoing content and new programs. All their problems could be avoided if they sold their content on a "pay-what-you-want" basis. But that means opening up the industry to competition, and no one business likes competition.
>>983407
>So you're saying that animators will be reduced to begging on Patreon just like the rest of the creative fields. Great.
I was thinking of something more along the lines of a global decentralized content distribution platform with crowdfunding, not unlike the ones that have invigorated a certain other creative field.
No.983412
>>983411
In the year 2022 where every shows is a kickstarted and none actually come out because most artists make terrible show runners.
No.983413
>>983411
>I was thinking of something more along the lines of a global decentralized content distribution platform with crowdfunding, not unlike the ones that have invigorated a certain other creative field.
So it is e-begging.
No.983419
>>983412
Or they don't get funded at all.
People have a poor understanding of just how much money goes into animation. The price of one well animated episode is $30,000 to $200,000 dollars depending on the company.
No.983422
>>983417
>>983418
>>983419
Little Witch Academia 2 asked for 150k and got $625,518. There are of course factors that cut into the budget but boy it took a lot to make a short film.
My question is then, 'when was animation the cheapest?' because I'd have to think it was in the 70's when it was all trash on tv and most films were sloppy messes.
Honestly could you imagine a series where they had to do a kick starter for every episode? you'd get like an hour a month and they'd have to raise half a million a month or make more either initially or at the finale to cover the costs. It could be done but it would start off rocky. You'd probably need a strong name attached or it would have to be sequel/spin off of something already popular. And then if this business model became popular, I mean there was a network like kick starter specifically for animated series, it would be swamped with crap artists, failed projects, and big corporations that just don't want to put up the money for their own properties. Boy the future is grim.
Oh and does anyone know how much it costs to make RWBY, it isn't very good but I'm wondering how much money goes into the project and how they can possibly make it worth it.
No.983424
>>964932
More calarts shit
No action toons cause they don't "sell" (unless is more Transformers)
Animu is kill by netflix and other companies milking dry.
Maybe Brazil will still try to make more cartoons?
More forced Nostalgia revivals
No.983425
>>983422
>you'd get like an hour a month and they'd have to raise half a million a month or make more either initially or at the finale to cover the costs.
I think a problem with per episode kickstarter, is that the studio would be incentively to make each episode end in a cliff-hanger, so you have to pay in order to learn how the hero escaped the evildoer's trap, instead of doing one continuous story, and risk having a boring episode in the middle of the show(one that has a bit too much exposition, or barely any action) and people will stop paying for the rest of the episodes.
No.983429
>>983425
So we'd be returning to the old movie theater serials.
>But how will bat man get out of this one, find out in the next issue of detective comics
Yeah that would be a problem for story telling.
No.983455
>>965107
>for eastern cartoons, I'd imagine that they'd be about the same unless (((they))) manage to get their hands on them more than they already have
I recall there was some movement "Western anime fans trying to make Japanese industry notice them". I can imagine what their endgame is.
No.983522
>>983406
Damn I oughta check that movie out.
No.983540
>>983422
Financing animation could be done through several ways, one of which would be to sell tokens representing shares of a work's "IP". Buyers would be incentivised to seek out the most promising works, and promote them, and depending on how well the work sells, the token holders would get a share of the work's revenue proportional to the amount of tokens they hold.
>>983425
>I think a problem with per episode kickstarter, is that the studio would be incentively to make each episode end in a cliff-hanger, so you have to pay in order to learn how the hero escaped the evildoer's trap, instead of doing one continuous story, and risk having a boring episode in the middle of the show(one that has a bit too much exposition, or barely any action) and people will stop paying for the rest of the episodes.
They would be disincentivised from using clif-hangers and other cheap tricks to give you all the more reason to watch their content and not their competition's. Remember, this won't be an industry dominated by a few big networks, it'll be one where studios compete to create the best cartoons for your money.
No.983544
>>983540
Can you imagine where all cartoons are owned and promoted by crap youtubers, because they are the only people that would buy into this system blindly.,
No.983553
>>964932
The next season of venture brothers will finally be out
No.983958
>>983544
And they'd be swept aside in favor of the artists, investors, and studios who'd use the system effectively for their own interests. Not everybody who'd participate would win big, some might even fail, but that's just competition. It incentivises a wide variety of studios to make the best cartoons they can to compete for your time and money. I wager most animation enthusiasts would rather have that system, as opposed to having cartoons produced by only a few big networks whose only content consists of either comedies or talking heads.
No.986571
>>964937
>The reason I say that is becasue alot of dumb ass nostalgia fags were shitting on good cartoons like 2002 He-Man,Transformers Beast Wars, and Courage the Cowardly Dog.
That is truly disgusting. Everything produced from 2000-2005 was gold. 80s reboots like TMNT and He-Man were actually good, unlike the Thundercats 2010 garbage we got.
I was hoping the animation will get better and better and the 2010s will turn out amazing. Something at the level of the original Superman series and Disney's Fantasia - Rite of Spring segment.
I mean I thought we suffered enough with the 60,70,80s but apparently not.
It's really pathetic when 90s and 2000s 3D had better textures and motion than the 2010-2020s.
I'm hoping that we can get back to theatrical shorts and theatrical movies, but this time involve 4x20 minute episodes in theatrical releases. I would have greatly enjoyed to see Disney's Tron Uprising in its original form similar to Poet Anderson before they killed the budget.
We already have 3D cartoons that look like 2D, but they look like horribly cheap Flash-designed 2D such as Tangled and Lion Guard.
So far we've never had a good looking 3D-2D cartoon.
I really would have liked to see Uprising animated with its original art style.
No.986917
>>964953
>Goanimate
left them back in 2014 because their management was utter dogshit. Rather fitting for a third-rate flash ripoff for invalids.
The most niche stuff future kids are gonna like are entry-level anime.
No.987228
>>983406
I don't get it. Why now all of the sudden?
There's been lots of partial nudity before, but never full nipples or crotch shots.
I hope they do more. Sick of western prudishness.
No.987231
>>987228
>Why now
Who knows. DC has been clearly trying new things with their animation in recent years. This year especially has been pretty crazy with three movies out already, and two more incoming. There was also the Constantine animated series for CW Seed.
Whatever they are doing, it must be making enough money to keep churning out more films and getting bigger names for voice acting.
I suspect that DC might be trying to go after Anime and Adult Swim audience - teens and adults. More and more of their straight to blu-ray films are PG13 or higher. All these films would also come in handy when WB will start its own streaming service.
Only thing I don't get is why doesn't DC just make an animated series and put it on Adult Swim? Competently handled Metal Men or Plastic Man could do well over there.
No.987722
With any luck mine will be among them.