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File: dfa7ae18025b64a⋯.jpg (228.47 KB, 1800x1013, 1800:1013, Batman-Ninja-Heroes.jpg)

 No.1022855

Despite how utterly trucking ridiculous in the best way Batman Ninja was, I really admire it for actually using all 4 robins instead of just Nightwing and Damian like most animated features for Batman usually do. They even made Jason and Damian way less disobedient cunts than their comic counterparts. That's a big accomplishment. Even if it's implied Red Hood is still a black sheep of the family. Least he listens to Bruce for once. Even if it comes back to bite them.

 No.1022860

That's Batman samurai.


 No.1022861

>>1022855

>trucking

back to >>>/reddit/


 No.1022862

>>1022860

He sheds his armor while fighting Joker.

>>1022861

That was not intentional.


 No.1022869

>>1022862

Delete the thread and start again.


 No.1022871

>>1022869

I must live with the shame.


 No.1022873

File: a97a95a2135a85c⋯.webm (15.78 MB, 724x406, 362:203, Ninja Batman.webm)

The Japanese version is the best version.


 No.1022875

File: 539ad3af6a3cde0⋯.webm (14.16 MB, 724x406, 362:203, VILLAINS COMBINE TO FORM ….webm)


 No.1022876

File: 2b1f59ca23a8dce⋯.webm (15.36 MB, 724x406, 362:203, batman vs the joker 1.webm)


 No.1022877

File: 7ce9795491472f6⋯.webm (11.83 MB, 724x406, 362:203, batman vs the joker 2.webm)


 No.1022878

File: aa783d1dc914072⋯.webm (13.24 MB, 724x406, 362:203, Batman vs the joker 3.webm)


 No.1022879

>>1022873

Naturally. The english version not only changed 90% of the film for no reason but everyone sounds like they're being distorted through a filter. It's awful. I wish the proper Japanese version was what was put front and center instead of that garbage english dub.


 No.1022889

File: f3571337bce0ceb⋯.jpg (221.73 KB, 720x480, 3:2, Harvey_Dent_Batman_Ninja_0….jpg)

>>1022879

The dub missed a lot of things. In the dub, The Joker is your standard "lol insane". The Japanese dub is a reconstruction of his character, making him once again an egotistical, criminal buffoon that you enjoy seeing Batman humiliate. It gets back to what made The Joker so popular to begin with.

Even the villains that don't get a lot of screen-time are written shockingly faithfully to the original comics. For example, Two-Face performs two double-crosses against two different characters in the story. They understood his entire character, and that's not even getting into their inclusion of Two-Face's utter devotion to whatever his coin decides.


 No.1022890

>>1022889

Oh, and his role in the story is based on Azai Nagamasa, the daimyo that was an ally of Oda Nobunaga who later became his enemy.


 No.1022933

File: abeae4b4f80fd82⋯.jpg (40.19 KB, 298x321, 298:321, Hattori_Hanzo.jpg)

>>1022860

The stereotypical ninjas are a theatrical invention. The clothing most people associate with ninjas likely originates in kabuki theater, as does their association with black color. Historical ninjas always wearing black is also unlikely, as the fabric is expensive, and black was usually worn by royalty.

There is not too much known about the actual ninja, other than they were assassins, spies, saboteurs, mercenaries, and even terrorists for hire - often specific region or an era had a preference for utilizing ninjas in one or two particular roles. Ninjas were also used in actual battles in addition to purely covert operations, most often as scouts and raiders. Any able man could become a ninja, and nothing stopped a samurai from being a ninja. In fact, Hattori Hanzō was a famous samurai and a ninja at the same time.

>>1022889

>They understood his entire character, and that's not even getting into their inclusion of Two-Face's utter devotion to whatever his coin decides.

That's what happens when at least semi-competent writers who do their research are put in charge. They focus on keeping the core of the character, and if there are any changes, they are usually superficial. Since most western writers (especially in comics and animation) are fucking hacks, they only keep superficial elements and disregard the actual core elements of these characters and their dynamics.


 No.1022935

File: a484ef36d7fe246⋯.jpg (197.15 KB, 1500x2121, 500:707, hanzo game model.jpg)

>>1022933

Man they took a lot of liberties with designs for Nioh.

The problem with western writers if they all wanna make a name for themselves. They think if they can make a story that acts like it's more important than it is they'll gain massive fame from comic book readers. The problem is the formula of deconstructing a character who isn't really supposed to be taken that seriously or put on that high of a pedestal gets old extremely fast. Feels like ever since Nolan's trilogy got popular, every schmuck has been trying to ape it by making Batman some deep psychological character study instead of just writing a good unique fucking comic book.


 No.1022937

>>1022875

Oh god…they even added that hand spin thing from GaoGaiGar during the combination sequence.


 No.1022959

>>1022933

Black also doesn't blend in with the dark blue night sky of pre-industrial japan


 No.1022967

anyone have a torrent for the japanese version?


 No.1022973

File: ba7c03876a76287⋯.jpg (135.44 KB, 1280x1280, 1:1, Bukaku Kyogen.jpg)

>>1022959

>blending with a blue night sky

It was more important to blend into crowds. Dark blue was a common dye for clothing in Japan, as were green, yellow, and red. Masks were also another important tool, although they looked more like this. Masks were always much more common in Japanese culture than in the European one. In addition to being common during many festivals, as armor pieces, and in theater, people used to wear them when engaging in non-noble activities, like gambling or visiting brothels. At one point, they were so popular and troublesome that shogunate tried banning them.

Masks are still more popular in Japan than elsewhere. They are very common during festivals, but you also have sick people wear surgical masks in crowds.


 No.1023005

>>1022933

thanks, pointdexter

all of that is a complete non sequitur, there's an established image of a samurai and an established image of a ninja, wherever they came from is of no relevance


 No.1023058

File: bb76904aad858ae⋯.webm (8.65 MB, 724x406, 362:203, Batman theme summons monk….webm)


 No.1023060

File: b7193b34237235b⋯.png (1023.03 KB, 984x720, 41:30, Batman I.png)

>>1022889

>On his screen, The Joker has his icon look bishonen

Oh yeah, they captured The Joker's egotism perfectly.


 No.1023061

>>1023060

That was Harley's puppet show. And oddly enough, because they went back to her molly gangster girlfriend roots, captures her character better then most of what DC has done with her character in the past decade.


 No.1030708

Surprisingly good.


 No.1034933

File: 20bc9ed1a0f04a4⋯.png (20.58 KB, 521x465, 521:465, ClipboardImage.png)

>four voice actors voice two main characters each in the dubbed version when they each had a different voice actor in the original

Thanks, SAG.


 No.1034952

File: 10b56cd67ae8943⋯.png (173.36 KB, 230x406, 115:203, what would you do to this ….png)


 No.1034954

>>1034933

Those japanese voice actors read like the current who's who in the anime industry. It's really top notch work, even if you don't understand japanese I'd recommend it over the dub.


 No.1034957

>>1022890

Nagamasa was a dumbass who had it coming. You don't get to bone a guy's sister and then be like "nah bro-in-law, fuck you".

>>1034954

>even if you don't understand japanese I'd recommend it over the dub.

I'd recommend it just so you don't have to listen to Tara Strong.

Like I said in a previous thread, I wish this had focused more on the characters than the mech bs. Feels like a waste, especially for Penguin and Two-Face. Still pretty entertaining, I'll give them massive props for a modern Joker that wasn't a obnoxious edgelord though I don't think he's Nobunaga material.


 No.1035535

>>1022873

what im missing in this vilain line up is literally showing what villain owns what provinces on an actual map so you get a sense of schale on just how big this whole things is and who´s winning and who´s losing.


 No.1035536

>>1035535

You have to know Japanese history itself to understand that since each villain replaced a specific historical warlord of the era.


 No.1035540

File: f685862c8dd2881⋯.jpg (114.85 KB, 480x640, 3:4, nobunaga5.jpg)

>>1035535

As >>1035536 says. IIRC

Joker - Oda Nobunaga

Penguin - Takeda Shingen (kinda ironic given the Takeda got REKT by Nobunaga's arquebusiers)

Poison Ivy - Uesugi Kenshin (there were rumors/stories that Kenshin was actually a grill)

Two-Face - Azai Nagamasa as already pointed out

Deathstroke - Date Masamune (also one-eyed)

Grodd - Toyotomi Hideyoshi (nicknamed "Monkey King" and Grodd even wears a kabuto designed like Hideyoshi's)

Harley - possibly Mouri Ranmaru


 No.1036194

File: a85ac6082e404db⋯.gif (401.4 KB, 500x345, 100:69, 01165dab9c35f6316ccbb4fc11….gif)

>>1022855

I definitely fucked myself over by watching the dub.

Is beyond ridiculous and without all the details I'm reading in the thread is just stupid because of how boringly standard it is outside that ridiculousness.

I was astoundingly bored throughout the movie and failed to see why, also the dub muffled the soundtrack to 20% the original volume for whatever reason so you can't even hear the music.


 No.1036196

>>1036194

Dubs are mistakes enough already. Lazy incompetent dubs like Batman Ninja's killed a lot of people's opinions about the movie.


 No.1036218

>>1036196

I'm inclined to believe that it was intentional on WBs part.

I'm a beaner so I watched the LatAm dub, which was translated from the english one rather than the Japanese one, and by experience LatAm held the best dubbing of animu for decades (now only kikeflix dubs anime, dubbing anime has been nearly lost in LatAm for the past decade*) exactly for going straight to the source and leaving it as intact as possible, so I'm pretty confident when I say WB forced the english dub on the rest.

*

Weaboos now download the japanese episodes and the VAs refused to work for slave wages so in response VA companies refused to give them work rather hiring random people on the fly, and the best VA dubbing voices come from a hell-on-earth socialist country that can't pay toilet paper.


 No.1037168

File: b098cbc0a9719a1⋯.jpg (115.43 KB, 1200x675, 16:9, DbvArmsXkAAnDwc.jpg)

>>1022873

I sure did love Selina's big titties in this movie.


 No.1037183

>>1037168

She was pretty kino


 No.1037208

>>1037200

Hey /tv/


 No.1037221

>>1037168

But why are they so low?


 No.1037224

>>1037221

No bras.




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