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 No.1020112

So given how the Adventure Time finale played out, what are /co/'s thoughts on how much agency/potency a protagonist should have.

On one side of the spectrum, we've got fellows like Rick Sanchez (stay with me here) and Deadpool who are nigh-invincible and pretty much capable of doing anything by virtue of being the protagonist. The STAR, more or less, in how the narrative orbits them and how powerful they are in it.

On the other, we have the likes of Rusty Venture (likewise, his sons) and Finn the Human, protagonists who are technically important to the story but whose actions don't ultimately matter in how it all plays out given how limited they ultimately prove to be. More of a MacGuffin than an actual player in the grand guignol.

What's your ideal medium between the two? Given the choice of only either, which kind of central character do you prefer?

 No.1020121

Does Western animation even do a middle-ground between the Ricks and the Rustys anymore? Everything I see nowadays is either some manbaby powerfantasy or a long series of one poor asshole's suffering.


 No.1020135

>>1020133

He's a shitposter Anon, let the thread die a painful death.


 No.1020205

If I got to have one of them, then it has to be the Rick. They at least get shit done and do matter in the setting.


 No.1020215

Bad question.

>>1020205

Except Rick is a bad character from how he's overpowered without being charming about it yet the writers fail at trying to make him both a repulsive excuse of a human and soms sad tragic figure whontotally cares about his daughter and grandkids.


 No.1020216

>>1020215

How do you miss the point this hard?

>>1020205

Marty stuness aside, super component characters can at least be entertaining. After all who doesn't want to root for the good guy?


 No.1020230

>board is dying

>sagefag two post in

I wonder why everyone left instead of make this faggot get permaban


 No.1020251

It is a hard call. Seeing someone succeed all the time and be an ass about it is not entertaining in the long run. Alternatively, seeing someone who is pathetic fail and fail and fail isn't entertaining either. I have to say that my last favorite variation is Simone like Finn, who tries his hardest and still has the world conspire against him. That's just undeserved malice and it makes him pityable as opposed to enjoyable. You need a character that tries hard and fails before triumph to really get the payoff.

Please note that this doesn't hold true for villains. Look at Lord Hater or Ludo for incompetent, but enjoyable villains. Their antics are the most enjoyable aspects of their respective shows, and bring a lot to the table.

If i had to choose one of the extremes for a protagonist, if rather have the successful one, but I'd still say it was shit.


 No.1020255

>So given how the Adventure Time finale played out, what are /co/'s thoughts on how much agency/potency a protagonist should have.

Literally all I know about it is lesbians. Was Finn even in the episode?


 No.1020259

>>1020255

Played a minor role, pretty much.


 No.1020269

>>1020216

>You need a high IQ to watch reddit and memey


 No.1020935

I like it when protagonists are ineffectual but carry themselves like they think they're nigh-invincible with all the power in the world because watching them fail is hilarious or when protagonists are super competent but never recognize how much influence they have over everything else because I'm a cuck that thinks humility is endearing.


 No.1020946

>>1020216

People who hate anyone on the principal of them being better than they are.


 No.1020955

>>1020946

>>1020935

No one cares OP.


 No.1021108

File: 7207b57f41edb1a⋯.png (1.28 MB, 1423x687, 1423:687, hater.png)

Protagonists should always be the most dynamic and interesting character in the show, or else it would make no sense to center the show around them.

Take Eddy for instance. Although Ed and Edd serve as the brawn and brains, Eddy is the one that comes up with schemes and plans that thrust the plot into action. It wouldn't make sense to have the Big Picture Show not center on him (Are you reading, Adam Muto?).

The character can win or fail or do neither, as long as the journey is funny and interesting. It's funny by use of jokes and silly animation. It's interesting because the plot twists and bends and you aren't certain the protagonist will win or fail. Characters aren't sympathetic if they usually win, but always losing is also frustrating and removes the mystery of if the protagonist will succeed.

Another example is Invader Zim. Both the eponymous alien and the big-headed boy are both protagonists and antagonists to each other. This is interesting because both win and lose on a regular basis. Zim claims victory but it's very minor and he is no closer to conquering Earth, Dib loses but he still has a place to call home. The insignificance of their victories and losses lend well to the idea that this interplanetary battle is happening on the scale of fighting skoolchildren. What is important is that the two are dynamic, interesting and funny to watch. I don't know how the new TV movie is going to fuck up (aside from awful redesigns) but that's an essay for another day.

Characters shouldn't be all-powerful or else the conflict gets boring. This is the biggest problem with Rick's characterization in the later seasons. Rick went from being a crazy grandpa that lives life on the edge to a cynical god that seems a little too uncaring to make us believe in the conflict and danger each plot provides. Rick could be the smartest man in the universe, but just from what he's aware of, so he's always on edge.

My personal ideal is a character that is undeterred from failure and is constantly put in new situations to see how he would react, instead of just the same failure over and over again. Someone like Lord Hater. He is seen as the antagonist but has his own stories, his own pet, his own love interest and even his own awesome climax in the last episode. Most importantly, he's funny to watch!




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