/co/ - Comics & Cartoons

Youtube getting popular did. Can't earn the ad money on Newgrounds.

Egoraptor shown that being a youtuber is more profitable than being a proper animator. There's a comeback of the old guard though, making new videos. Just last year, James Lee, the guy behind that fucking sweet Tarboy flash came back. Weebl is doing stuff still. Felix Colgrave is still animating. Krinkels is still making his Madness game.

All newgrounds game makers mostly went into mobile games industry, and some are behind most popular games. Some even develop proper vidya.

Can't remember the name of that one cool looking flash I saw long ago, that was nearly disney-level of quality. It was about a thing with a fur-covered head that drank the pee water out of a river. Wonder if that went anywhere.

>>1014677

I'm pretty sure the cartoon you're thinking of is Bitey of Brackenwood.

They went on to more "Promising" industries like YouTube or actual tv shows.

>>1014677

>>1014690

>Bitey of Brackenwood

Talk about quality… Vid related –the latest episode– was made entirely in flash. Can confirm because I have the SWF that was originally uploaded on Newgrounds, before the author replaced it with a video.

Steve Jobs.

>>1014677

>>1014690

Following up on this: Last I heard he was working on a game for Bitey and I think had started a spin off series talking about the animals in the world. I vaguely remember the only one being about that little sack creature that got kicked around.

>>1014677

Wasn't just the existence of YT, it was also bastards ripping Newgrounds videos and then uploaded them to YT. Why would any normalfag watch it on NG when they could watch the same (unofficially uploaded) video on YT?

The deck just became increasingly stacked against the format.

I didn't think I'd ever be getting nostalgic for the 2000s flash era but here we are.

>>1014705

Bitey was truly fucking animated, I loved it when he faced that swarm of fireflies or whatever they were after staying out too late.

>>1014845

Well when there's a glut of content people tend to go back at what satisfied them previously

>>1014673

Greed. Those flash animation assholes went to Youtube for cheap bucks and the art of eternal loops and quality got lost.

No respect anymore for any of them. Not Weebl who feels like a generic mobile phone animator now. Not that lazy ass Egoraptor who does NOTHING anymore but still has his "role" as that famed animator who should be respected.

Fuck why does it take so long for my monetization to be approved!?

There's still some animators out there especially in furfag porn, but due to (((youtube's))) post reply-girls algorithm it's pretty much impossible to keep yourself afloat just with animation, which means either >>1014677 or they use patreon.

All the browser games moved to phones.

A general dislike of flash combined with the emergence of better alternatives, i imagine.

>>1015975

>better alternatives

such as?

>>1015975

>A general dislike of flash

Kill yourself applefag.

I think it was just Flash becoming shorthand for shitty stick figures and getting memed to death on imageboards as crap.

>>1015068

>Those flash animation assholes went to Youtube for cheap bucks and the art of eternal loops and quality got lost.

Didn't some of them stop animating altogether and started doing shit like let's plays and vlogging?

>>1015975

Have you still not noticed that HookTube is literally just a normal jewtube embed now?

>>1014677

>All newgrounds game makers mostly went into mobile games industry

This

>>1014710

>bastards ripping Newgrounds videos and then uploaded them to YT

And this

>>1016376

>some of them stop animating altogether and started doing shit like let's plays and vlogging

AND ESPECIALLY FUCKING THIS

Youtube, when it started, was the Reddit of video sites, in that it generated absolutely zero OC, so literally every single thing on it was stolen from somewhere better. This gradually changed in the years leading up to the present day, first with Linkin Park or whatever being dumped over the audio track, now with people quasi-pirating games to provide something other than their stupid face for the video track as they ramble their blog-tier shit so fucked up gen-Z kids can have surrogate friends.

>>1016155

HTML5 for example, some games on the CN and Pokemon websites are written in HTML5. It still has a long way to go though.

>>1016420

invidio.us please

>>1016893

>HTML5

Wasn't that made by apple and promoted by applefags who killed flash?

>>1017212

By the sweatervest man in chief himself, yes.

>>1016893

>STILL no way to pack HTML5/CSS/JS games into a redistributable file and /scurv/ them like SWF

A lot of classic shit is going to be lost forever

>>1017782

Yeah, it's really hard to find Ja Da on line, who knows what's next.

>>1016893

Only good think Apple made.

I always assumed it was more because Flash stopped being supported so much by Adobe or anyone else for that matter and hence exposure to new flash shit was abysmal.

My take is different than others. Flash was a technology that dealt with limited bandwidth. I remember my mind being blown watching Homestar Runner on freaking DIAL up. We don't have such restrictions as much - I'm seeing lots of incredible animation on YouTube. It just doesn't have to be Flash. Even people that use Flash still just upload the .mp4 or whatever to video sites. Was the 'golden age' of Flash really a thing? I remember being surprised more people didn't do polished stuff with it. I designed games in flash for a while, and we had more and more trouble with weird frame rate issues, really unreliable. Some Windows machines just could never seem to get a smooth, solid feel with it. I saw some cool animation yesterday actually - this artist Chris Merritt, prog pop songwriter guy, musician. MachinePiano on youtube, song is "cycles". Not sure what they used, it's very subtle, but I'm seeing lots of animation these days.

>>1018030

>Was the 'golden age' of Flash really a thing?

There are many bad posts on /co/, but this is among the worst. You are not welcome here, boomer, and neither are your blogposts.

To answer your question, the golden age of Flash did exist, and what geriatric redditors like you don't understand is that it was defined by the atmosphere and attitude of its contributors as much as the technology. Flash had plenty of problems with stability and usability, but it was THE standard and propagated in a completely organic way without being bundled on iMacs or anything. The community (as in the actual meaning of community, not the corporate doublespeak abused today) of people who wanted to create things in this unwieldy mess of a program were people who valued the kind of freedom and artistic creativity.

The golden age of Flash was like the American West - the land itself may have been barren in many places, but the possibility for adventure and discovery was like nothing else before or since. It was sculpted by young men who felt they could make something for themselves because it was cool, or interesting, or whatever reasons they had. Flash wasn't just a tool - it was a tool only someone with a very specific interest would pick up in the first place.

Naturally they didn't set out with the intention of building any kind of lasting legacy or foundation, but they did make a lot of animations, games, and the like which inspired other people and left lots of work behind. Then Apple and Google decided to stop supporting it, and now it's an obsolete technology like typewriters and vintage cars.

>durr i saw some neat stuff on tha intarweb, kiddo

And I guarantee under every one there's a Patreon link or a Ko-Fi profile or some other kind of insufferable microtransactable garbage. Nothing is sacred anymore, even autists scribbling on the internet for fun. That's what the future of internet animation and games development looks like thanks to megacorps and big-box service providers.

>>1018085

the question is, how do we bring it back? How do we usher in a new Golden Age?

>>1019604

You'd need a work ethic, which nobody here has, or they'd already be pro, and you'd need a way to milk the consumers so you could turn pro, which doesn't exist beyond merch and advertising because the current business model is free dissemination.

You could use the animation and games as advertising for commissions, but you have to be choosy, Paul Kidd got put on a sex offenders registry for accepting cubfur commissions.

forced death of flash killed it, Phones refused to support it and majority of people access the internet with phones

>>1021747

Phoneposters truly are the scum of the Earth.

Flash is malware-tier, HTML5+CSS3+JS6 replaced it all. If you really wanted videos, learn 2 Adobe/Krita/Blender

Regarding the scene, the economy went south, so everyone wants to make a buck. Adobe takes time, YouTube is not profitable

>>1014673

Well, you started a thread with Weebl and his animations don't loop on Youtube.

There you have the reason.

>tfw no more stick fights

>>1014677

That and the fact that the youtube algorithm fucking erased all flash animation videos from the trending topics infinite gauntlet-style to shill shitty vlogs

>>1016640

>now with people quasi-pirating games to provide something other than their stupid face for the video track as they ramble their blog-tier shit so fucked up gen-Z kids can have surrogate friends.

It's ironic that people slowly becoming socially retarded en masse is killing internet culture. People wouldn't need let's players if they could actually hang out with friends.