Has the effect of serializing on television hurt cartoons than most realize? Call me a traditionalist but I feel like sometimes the episodic format is superior when it comes down to it but you scream "DUDE WHAT ABOUT FILLER SHIT?" thats just shit writing.w

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Anonymous 08/02/18 (Thu) 22:46:41 No.1013989

Has the effect of serializing on television hurt cartoons than most realize? Call me a traditionalist but I feel like sometimes the episodic format is superior when it comes down to it but you scream "DUDE WHAT ABOUT FILLER SHIT?" thats just shit writing.when it comes down to it since even episodes that do not do anything for the status quo could be HUGE character building moments.

What I mean by "Serializing" is that nowadays some cartoons take a plot that could probably be used in say a 4 episode arc but stretches it out for an entire fucking season. The show is now forced to never divert off the main path what so ever and as a result both the plot and even the characters will suffer for it. The characters especially sometimes even a one off episode for that single side character can either make or break them for the entire show. Shows like Transformers Beast Wars,Avatar The Last Air Bender, and Star Wars the Clone Wars show you that great stories can be told with just 30 minutes. Now of course those shows have duds but at least they are one off episodes that you can probably even skip. If the show following the serialized format has a dud you are forced to stick with that dud for the rest of the series since even if its a bad idea you have to stick with it till the shows end. Even something such as world building can suffer from the show focusing itself around this one major plot point.

Thats just my 2 cents on the the whole idea since this entire "binge watching" culture is so fucking cancerous people do not realize the damages it causes to television as a whole. More points can added but I am sure you guys get the picture

Anonymous 08/02/18 (Thu) 23:34:23 No.1014000

It's definitely one of the bigger reasons why 20+ year old manchildren are the only people bothering with cartoons anymore, which in turn probably scares off any kids who aren't already put off by the format. I know for a fact when I was 14-`8, this was before Adventure Time by the way, not a single person I knew gave a fuck about cartoons anymore but the moment that crap came out everyone pretended to be some animation guru.

Anonymous 08/02/18 (Thu) 23:43:42 No.1014003

>>1013989

The things about the shows you said was by the 1st episode you are told what the ending will be. Even better since you mentioned beast wars and avatar since they had sequel series which messed up badly when they changed the formula. They made plots span an entire season meaning as a kid if you got into the show late you won’t know what the fuck is going on

>ATLA

Aang needs to learn all 4 elements and stop the Firelord

>Beast Wars

Stop the predacons and get back to cybertron

Anonymous 08/02/18 (Thu) 23:57:43 No.1014006

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>>1014003

I mentioned those 2 shows since they both received horrible sequel series that shat all over the original but the key difference was how the shows were formatted (aside from getting new writers and shit)

Beast Wars/Avatar was episodic where we saw each character grow in their own episodes each built up to the thrilling conclusion where shit started getting more serious.

Beast Machines/Korra went with a more plot heavy focus with you needed to watch older episodes to understand what the fuck is happening.

Anonymous 08/03/18 (Fri) 00:23:39 No.1014009

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>>1013989

I would say yes to that too, it makes unwatchable shows have a carrot on a stick that make you want to see what is going to happen at the end; Even though it won't be worth it. It leads to shows that are shittier than shounen anime since they can't even do decent action scenes, have interesting villains, and all their characters are in safe bubbly funland where everything is good and nothing can be serious or hit home with the young audience without them preaching at you with the subtlety of a brick.

Anonymous 08/03/18 (Fri) 04:19:31 No.1014044

>>1014003

> They made plots span an entire season meaning as a kid if you got into the show late you won’t know what the fuck is going on

I jumped into avatar as a kid and had no idea wtf is going on, even bryke said that viewership went way up when they showed episodes in order.

I had to go on pirate sites to catch up on avatar.

Anonymous 08/03/18 (Fri) 04:32:14 No.1014049

>>1014047

Because it always worked with thier other shows but unlike CN nick has never had a plot heavy show before

Anonymous 08/03/18 (Fri) 04:39:35 No.1014051

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>plot heavy show

Anonymous 08/03/18 (Fri) 05:02:42 No.1014056

>>1014051

>2018

>still watching the show

Anonymous 08/18/18 (Sat) 15:34:02 No.1016862

Continuity and how much can you have in a series before it deters any new viewers from watching is probably one of the big questions when it comes to cartoons.

>Make something episodic with no continuity? (Eg: Dexter's Lab, Cow & Chicken) Anyone (of any age) can watch without fear of story lock out and what the networks probably want.

>Very minor character development and minor story arc progression in the background in a mostly episodic series? (Eg: season 1-3 of Rugrats). Same as above but also rewards long time viewers.

>Start off episodic for the first season but still with continuity than go into a good story arc for the next season with previous episode intro recaps (Avatar:TLA). Does give new fans a chance to catch up while still being a good for existing fans.

>Absolute fucking in depth densely packed fast paced story per episode, with NO previous episode recaps. Miss an episode any viewer (even fans) are fucked (Eg: Chris Colorado). In the 2000's this was a very bad idea and probably lead to the cancellation of that series, now probably less so with internet streaming to catch up with missing episodes but still be a strong deterrent to most people

>>1014044

>>1014049

>>1014050

I think there is a blog post out there from Rob Renzetti who was pissed off at Nick for not showing episodes of his show My Life as a Teenage Robot in order after they made the 2 part special Escape from Cluster Prime. Leading to the question of, why bother making multi part episodes if the network won't show them in the proper order?

Anonymous 08/18/18 (Sat) 17:02:59 No.1016891

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>>1014051

Anonymous 08/18/18 (Sat) 17:55:18 No.1016898

>>1014050

You underestimate how fucking retarded TV Execs are. Fox aired Firefly episodes out of order because they wanted a gripping, action intensive episode for the initial broadcast, which meant not explaining who the fuck the characters were or why they were working together, or learning anything about the setting. A lot of shit gets ruined not because normalfags are idiots, but because TV producers think they're as dumb as you guys say they are.

>>1016862

Remember that DBZ was one of the biggest shows ever while it was airing, because kids fucking loved plot progression. All you need is three fucking seconds explaining th last episode and you're usually fine.

Anonymous 08/19/18 (Sun) 01:57:22 No.1016985

The old plot-heavy X-Men cartoon was a meme among my friends and I as kids because we only saw odd episodes (and they were also, no doubt, being shown out of order) and the plot never made any sense. Mind you, Power Rangers was shown in order and we loved that. The whole green and white ranger plot was sort of ongoing, even if a lot of normal episodes did stand alone.

But, as a kid of the 90's, IE the era when Star Trek was ALWAYS on somewhere, I'll always prefer reset button shows you can catch and watch at random.

Anonymous 08/19/18 (Sun) 02:02:26 No.1016986

>>1013989

OP is TL;DR but the pic has some nice aesthetics.

Anonymous 08/19/18 (Sun) 04:20:05 No.1017016

>>1016898

>DBZ

>plot progression

That might not be the best example to use.