No.1010131
https://archive.fo/aJklI
>$70 millions lost
>No writer wanted their name attached to the bad news
IDW DEATH WHEN?
No.1010134
And yet Marvel re-orders another gay Iceman book, another Nadia Wasp book, and DC lets Bendis rape Superman.
The people in charge of comics wants comics to die.
No.1010136
>>1010131
>he missed today's announcement that IDW will finally make all-ages comics featuring your favorite Marvel superheroes
No.1010143
>>1010136
https://archive.fo/QoK94
Because it is real, and not a joke.
No.1010151
>>1010143
>>1010136
That will surely make up for the 16% decline of the last two years.
Surely……
No.1010152
>>1010143
>>1010136
Crony welfare. IDW has been shitting the bed at every turn and that's saying something for today's comic market. In any other medium they'd be dead. But because everyone in comics are faggots, Marvel has them make "all-age" books (something Marvel should be doing on their own). Now IDW might sell some books, but only because of another company's products (once again) and Marvel gets to have more crap pushed out and for cheaper since IDW somehow pays less than Marvel.
I this fucking industry.
No.1010171
>>1010152
I think it's more that Disney doesn't trust Marvel to make the all ages books. They went with IDW because they already have a working relationship with them publishing Donald Duck and other Disney books. I think this is a sign of things to come, and within the next 10 years Marvel won't exist as a publisher. The comics will be farmed out to other publishers like Disney does with all their other properties. It'll be like when Disney bought Lucasfilm, and instead of keeping LucasArts open to make Star Wars games, they closed it and licensed it out to EA. In the end, licensing the comics out to IDW will go about as well as licensing Star Wars out to EA.
No.1010173
>>1010152
Marvel made their own All-Ages books a decade ago. They were Marvels last consistently good products.
They got canceled because they made too many jabs at the stupid direction the mainstream comics were taking.
No.1010269
>>1010173
That actually looks fun.
No.1010274
>>1010131
I may never get to see an industry crash that destroy all the cancerous big companies in vidya and tabletop, but I can revel in the failures of the comics industry. Burn baby, burn!
No.1010276
>>1010274
Will we ever see a comic crash despite Yidsney and Warner propping them up artificially?
No.1010298
>>1010276
If the MCU ever shits the bed, I could see Disney shutting down Marvel and only doing reprints and collected editions.
No.1010299
>>1010173
Those were good. And they had decent, upcoming talent on them. Jeff Parker and Fred van Lente worked on a lot of them. Especially nice in the era when Bendis was hogging all the Avengers for himself.
No.1010623
>>1010136
>>1010152
IDW, the company that makes comics from licensing other people's properties, is now making comics about Marvel characters.
What is this timeline?
*The same one where somebody in the 2000's joked that somebody who wins Big Brother will become enough of a "celebrity" to go on Celebrity Big Brother, only for the TV execs to actually bald-facedly make it happen and sit back all smug, like they'd done something big and clever*
No.1010636
>>1010131
The only way to fix this is obvious… More Transsexual characters.
No.1010698
>>1010134
I liked Nadia's last solo run. Shame it got cut short
No.1010711
>>1010698
No one liked it.
No.1010727
>>1010711
>I have a fanfic like that
Jesus Christ it's extremely painful seeing how desperately they try to make hero's "Your average person with superpowers."
Oh well it can't get worse than this at least Marvel: Babies will be better.
No.1010731
No.1010743
No.1010776
>>1010727
>make them relatable
>by behaving the way no human ever would in the face of life threatening danger
Why do they do this?
No.1010783
>>1010711
>that page
Yeah, I remember what it was like before I learned perspective. Jesus, Marvel is hiring people who can't even do one point perspective correctly? Plus there's no backgrounds at all. You don't have to put background in every panel, but you don't go that long without it if you're only doing flat, straight on shots. Anybody know what issue this is from? I need to fuel my rage and see the entire thing for myself.
No.1010816
>>1010623
>What is this timeline?
It's the timeline in which company who held near monopoly on superhero comics, pushed for a reform designed to cripple other comic companies. That reform forced that 'competition' to switch from army, mystery, and adventure comics to capes, and soon dethroning the first company as the biggest superhero comic book publisher.
It's the one where company who managed to corner 70% of the comic market, squandered it and went bankrupt within few years.
It's the timeline where comic book publishers thought that limiting access to their product would be a good long tern strategy to generate profit.
It is the timeline in which comic book publishers repeatedly fail to fully capitalize on success of their IP's adaptions in non-comic book media.
American comics are largely run by complete retards. It is a miracle that most publishers are still alive with the idiocy of people in charge, horrible culture within the industry, no job security, and abysmal pay and benefits.
>>1010783
It's from issue #1. This scene takes place down town new york. After the robot is taken care of, girls stop by at a coffee shop.
No.1010847
>>1010711
That can't be real…can it?
No.1010850
>>1010131
>IDW DEATH WHEN?
Not enough soon!
No.1010878
Is it too late to clone Stan?
No.1011211
>>1010711
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WHAT'S WRONG WITH HER HANDS?
No.1011212
>>1010878
>Stan
Who would want to clone that fucking jew?
Clone Kirby and Ditko
No.1011232
>>1010134
DC has been raping Superman for the last 30 or so years, nothing much has changed in that regard. Superman fans have to be gluttons for punishment, DC has been shoveling the same shit in their mouths for several decades, just slightly recolored or re-flavored and they still don't ask for better for their hero.
No.1011275
>>1011212
>jew
>Kirby
I got sour news for you, Jack…
No.1011427
>>1010131
Too many capes in comics
No.1011445
>>1010783
D&C's probably done a read through of it at some point. You can always just mute him and look at the images. And amputate and burn the finger you used to click on his channel
No.1011762
>>1010711
This is just pathetic
No.1011765
>>1010711
Wow, Marvel reduced to the level of a webcomic.
The only acceptable payoff to a sequence like this is to have the characters stepped on and killed while they piss and waffle on like they're at a cafe.
This irritates me because it's just such a female response to hero comics. The protagonists are exempt from having to take things seriously, fight or save lives because they're TALKING. It's like at school basketball games when the girls would stand around talking and walk away from the ball if it got near them.
The other acceptable payoff would be if the robot went on killing people and the heroines ignored it until it interrupted their conversation. Then maybe they'd just teleport away.
That'd be in line with Nu Heroes' autistic disassociation with the drama of the stories they're in, like the Champions taking selfies moments after letting a civilian get killed. Or generally Gen Z IRL, with all the disaster selfies, or that idiot Youtuber in the Suicide Forest.
No.1011774
>>1011765
>Wow, Marvel reduced to the level of a webcomic
Oh they've reduced to lower than webcomic quality at times. There's been books that are at the level of a 14 year old with a bad How to Draw Anime book. It amazes me that these artists will swipe surface level traits from manga, but manage to completely miss all the good stuff that would help them improve their visual storytelling,
No.1011999
No.1012010
>>1011774
that issue was drawn by Natasha Allegri, former artist on Adventure Time.
She was trying to emulate Rumiko Takahashi's artstyle (Ranma 1/2, Inuyasha), but only one panel got anywhere near that level of quality
No.1012013
>>1012010
When it was being published, we actually discussed the poor quality of the art. It was discovered that a lot of the artists involved were actually quite talented and produce good work.
We concluded the reason why the art was so bad was because Leth was constantly missing her script deadlines.
No.1012016
>>1012013
The thing is, though, is that Marvel saw that as something fit to print. The editor should have took one look at that and said "We can't print this. We have to delay it and you need to work your ass off fixing this up so we can print it next week." If Leth kept missing her deadlines to the point where it was affecting the artist's ability to do their work, then she should have been told to get her act together or replaced. If the editors weren't complete trash who want to be everyone's buddy, this kind of shit wouldn't happen.
No.1012061
>>1011774
Of all the issues of Hellcat that got storytimed, this one was the worst. Right off the back, that building is so poorly shopped together Jim Shooter would have murdered her, but because she's friends with Leth and the editor, it's ok.
>>1012013
If memory serves, it was this issue that lead to that. I believe the cover had Namor and Herc on it and neither appear in the issue and in a later issue a letter called them out on it and whoever answered the totally real letters gave some half assed, "Well, you know…sometimes things change!" I know the regular artist did have some nicer pieces on her tumblr that got posted her, but I think the real reason her art was such shit is she couldn't draw sequentially well. Perspective and character consistency were all over the map. I don't think all of it could be blamed on late scripts. Everyone on that book just shit the bed.
>>1012016
The thing to remember though is that Marvel gets their money from shipping issues, not by how many issues they sell in shops. So by delaying Hellcat, which I know wasn't even close to being a mediocre selling book, they were still missing out on money. And whatever they were paying Leth and co. was low enough that this books could do less than 10k and still get put out.
No.1012068
>>1011774
>That line quality
>That coloring
>That weeaboo-pale-imitation-of-anime art style
>That "quirky" dialogue and writing
>That line quality (it's so bad I had to bring it up twice)
FUCKING hell. I was convinced u were havin a giggle and this was pulled off of some 15 year old's 2000-era deviantart, but no, Marvel actually published this.
No.1012197
>>1011774
I like the angry she-hulk panel
No.1014405
>>1012197
why? it's terrible….
No.1014863
>>1010636
>my son's face when I showed him the entire page of Barbara pouring out her heart and the sociopath tranny just ignoring everything and inserting his own shit into the conversation.
No.1014867
>>1010131
>tfw the only comic I've bought since the Watchman collection in 1996 is Iron Sights.
No.1015833
>>1010636
I'm all for this now. I'm not even going to bother trying to find my Bane Crash dis plane image. This will do.
Only cure for this is fire.
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No.1016126
>>1010131
I know this is an /a/ thing but what about manga? Shouldn't it suffer from the same issue, considering you're supposed to start collecting something that's already a running series?
Or is it just that people stopped caring in capeshit?
No.1016142
>>1016126
Not at all. Mangas issues are different than those facing american comics. Manga especially won't divert to several run offs after 4 cancellations for a decade or less. You follow a linear line with manga. Sure there's spinoffs but they're just gag manga usually. Not needed to read the actual stories. Best part is they have actual endings.
No.1016144
>>1016142
Ok the ending is an argument. I sometimes buy random ones for artworks, too like 3 issues of Bleach's Espada-Arc.
Regarding comics, why should I e.g. buy single comics when I could just buy a collection later? Why have e.g. X issues of Batman Endgame in my shelf instead of buying the all comics in one? It's kinda counter-productive.
No.1016206
>>1015833
Its been burning for too long.
No.1016278
>>1011774
The images do not make sense. I could do better than that and I'm terrible.
No.1016308
>>1016144
It is extremely counterproductive. Graphic novels are the way to go. The business practice of individual comic issues has only hurt the industry more than it's helped.
No.1016310
>>1016144
>why should I e.g. buy single comics when I could just buy a collection later?
To support serialization, because most books live and die based on how many copies are sold monthly. Trade collections only exist to as additional revenue to be sold to johnny-come-lately's and collectors. Prospective trade sales aren't even considered unless it's something already likely to sell gangbusters.
It's no different in Japan. The serialized stuff has to pull enough weight to justify investments in collections and multimedia promotion. It's why Shonen Jump and its peers are always pushing the stuff with mainstream appeal. It's not rocket science.
No.1016314
Serialization simply doesn't work anymore. Back in the day you'd have to wait sometimes over a year for a book to be completed and then advertise it. It made more sense to to put out monthly comics so you could constantly have something on offer and the chapters could at least advertise the final book.
Also monthly entertainment is falling to the wayside as people binge things.
No.1016342
>>1016314
There's a number of problems for the companies to go collection only, but I think the biggest one is the fucked up way comic sales work. Companies don't make money when shops sell issues, they make money when shops order issues. The short term problem with a switch over to a collection format is that gap of revenue for however long it takes to get the first wave of collected issues out. This would most likely hurt the shops more than the companies. But the long term problem for Marvel and DC is that they couldn't put as much pressure on the shops to order their bullshit. Right now the cycle of abuse goes something like this:
>Marvel announces a brand new #1 with a shit ton of variants
>shops have to place their orders months in advance
>by the time shops see what the title is actually selling and can adjust their orders they've already committed through issue 3 or 4
>Marvel has already had their money for books those shops will never sell
>Marvel can cancel the series, put the collection on amazon for anyone dumb enough to buy it
>Marvel announces a new #1 with a shit ton of variants
Going to a collection format would put more space between volumes and allow shops to see what's working right off the bat. Meanwhile the publishers would have to commit to at least starting the next volume before they got the full sale details. This would flip the power structure a bit and no company is going to allow that.
No.1016345
Has anyone here been subscribed to a comic by delivery? I've only ever bought online or at my local store and only purchased completed books or occasional loose chapters because they looked interesting but ultimately didn't make me want to buy any more.