/co/ - Comics & Cartoons

fucking hell, with no Jane Land it's gonna be shit alright

if fact, what's the connection between Jodie and Daria?

>>1004835

Its very odd that they would take away the one of the few people who tolerated Daria.

>>1004837

Jodie's black, that's all the connection they need.

Rebooting it was guaranteed shit but not having the best duo together is just telling me that they clearly didn't watch the show or they want to virtual signal hard. Who the fuck even cares about Jodie? Every other character is more memorable than fucking Jodie which I barely hear about when Daria is brought up.

>>1004837

I don't even remember them being friends. I think there were episodes where there was a light academic rivalry between them, but that's it.

>>1004842

I rewatched the show a few years ago and Jane should have been the main character. Daria just got insufferable as it went on.

>>1004848

>>1004851

It's so weird that they would put her right front and center. Jodie was probably the worst character in the show. She had nothing interesting and entertaining about her. She was just there to be smart, black, and inoffensive. Same thing with Mack. They were characters that had nothing going for them because the writers went to the extremes to avoid making them black stereotypes. Which is funny, because pretty much everyone else in the show were comedic stereotypes. Quinn, The Fashion Club, Kevin, and Britney were all much better characters.

>>1004832

Daria worked because of the teen culture and stereotypes at the time, its not gonna work now because those highschool stereotypes are heavily outdated and every teen is cynical, snarky, and ironic.

>>1004822

inb4 calarts daria.

>>1004909

>(incidentally, Daria herself wasn't written as perfect, she had flaws too, which were addressed in the show. Expect to see that aspect of her personality deleted too)

No, expect her flaws to be exaggerated even more so to the point she's outright dysfunctional, but everyone accepts her as perfect anyway.

>>1004822

>making the boring negress character a main character and focus

Yeah, it's going to be shit. They're going to try and virtue signal hard. I can already see Daria whinging about the patriarchy, the wage gap, and rape culture, but Jodie will be going on constantly about all the poor black boys who dindu nuffin and got shot execution style by the police.

>>1004854

>I rewatched the show a few years ago and Jane should have been the main character. Daria just got insufferable as it went on.

They did the same thing every fucking show does with really smart, detached characters: they made her obsessed with love and boys, and had her make lots of stupid decisions because even the original writers of the show couldn't help themselves when it came to injecting relationshit and tearing down their character.

>>1004822

Daria was always shit partially because Daria was a piece of shit

I hope you assholes who wanted a reboot are happy. You just turned your waifu into a modern rick and morty-tier nihilist and SJW.

>>1004911

Reminder that Beavis got raped by a grief counselor in the Beavis and Butthead reboot.

>>1004845

>>1004988

stop

So /co/, what reboot do you think is coming next?

>>1004993

King of the Hill. They hinted months ago they wanted to bring it back and make it all about Drumpf and shit.

>>1004985

>Everything we like is gonna be ruined anon

I didn't even really liked Daria to begin with, it just that I don't understand bringing back a show that ended many years ago and that your current viewership problably doesn't know that it existed. Why no make something new instead of trying to grapple to old shows that already had their golden age?

>>1004996

I think it's because they can at this point, y'know? Like they know there's no real demand or point to it all, but they do it because they can. They probably already wrote the smug rebuttal piece to the (insert -ist here) haters who they'll blame for the show getting cancelled mid-first season (if that) and have it ready for use.

>>1004920

>They did the same thing every fucking show does with really smart, detached characters: they made her obsessed with love and boys, and had her make lots of stupid decisions because even the original writers of the show couldn't help themselves when it came to injecting relationshit and tearing down their character.

What's funny about that is that when they did it, they couldn't even do that right. Daria and Tom never really did anything and Jane basically got her character murdered by the writers - I find it hard to believe someone who grew up with absentee parents, worthless siblings and living precariously close to homelessness wouldn't have clocked Daria and made her choke on her teeth. They could've easily ended the show with Daria using losing Jane as a learning experience or some shit, but instead they turn Jane into a willing cuckold who lets it slide. How she didn't even call her brother out on letting it all happen still baffles me. That's one major reason why the reboot will fail - it basically keeps up this myth that Daria was this feminist-as-fuck show when it was really just the writers jumping the shark at Tom's introduction.

>>1004994

I've heard that they are planning on bringing back Hey Arnold after the success of TJM although I think they should just go with the Patakis if they want to do a proper continuation.

>>1004996

>>1004997

>Why no make something new instead of trying to grapple to old shows that already had their golden age?

Because we're still in a recession and studios don't want to take risks. Daria has a built in fanbase and brand recognition. People are guaranteed to watch it, which means steady revenue from advertisers. New properties don't offer the kind of security old properties do.

>>1005002

You have a point, anon, but do you think the fanbase will stick around long enough for it to pan out? Without the voice actors, the original writers, Jane, etc, I can't see this being anything more than just another one season wonder, if that. If they really wanted to do something with the brand, why not just do that Mystik Spiral spinoff they were considering years ago? You could probably make a killing off Trent Lane alone.

>>1005003

>You have a point, anon, but do you think the fanbase will stick around long enough for it to pan out?

That's irrelevant to the question. They're not thinking about how to appeal to those fans, only that there are fans. They see them as a ready-made audience, a factor that lessens risk.

>>1004854

>Daria just got insufferable as it went on.

To the point of her cuckqueaning her best friend, right?

>>1005000

Oh God that's right Tom exists. I completely forgot he was a character. Why did they even create him? He was completely unnecessary to the plot and he was just always there. So boring.

>>1004833

...

I think its more likely for this to be in soulless flash.

>>1005043

Except Daria is aimed at teens, not kids.

Again, who the fuck asked for this?

>>1004975

Wait, I thought he was about to lose his virginity because some batshit insane cult considered him as the chosen one.

>>1004985

Diarrhea was just fucking annoying, the only reason why she got a spinoff is due to the teenage sitcoms fad was going on the late 90s, as expected, any other minor character was more interesting than her.

>>1004922

That pic is way hotter than it was intended to be.

>>1005047

>Again, who the fuck asked for this?

Jews.

>>1005085

Anything and everything, goyim. There's nothing they won't ruin or use to push their ideology. For them, ideally both.

>>1004989

I wish we could but it's too late.

Bet ya Quinn has a YouTube where she v-logs her life and does make up tutorials.

>>1005101

Beat your daughter, jackass. Then have her beat you off.

>>1005103

>>1005106

How much you want to bet it's not even his kid?

>>1004892

One day they will re-make Back to the Future.

>>1005101

>Have children, they said

>It will make you feel pride and joy, they said

>>1005124

>Marty goes back in time and changes the past

>when he returns to the future he's a chick

>Marty is now technically trans

>Elevating one of the two most bland and sterile characters in the show to a titular role because of Dibersity

The upside of this is that there is literally no demand for it, so it will only piss people off.

>>1005124

Back to the future won't be remade more like spiritual successors will. It's one of the holy grails of liberal fiction.

>>1004996

>Why no make something new instead

That's the Jewish copyright scheme in action.

>>1005085

>What will they ask for next?

Pedophilia apologia.

>>1005101

You let this happen.

>>1005175

This, though it's… Weird how they're getting like this earlier. I work as a cashier and the other day some 6-year-old went 'YEET' as he gently tossed something into my garbage.

>>1005072

>Wait, I thought he was about to lose his virginity because some batshit insane cult considered him as the chosen one.

It was Stewart who ended in the orgy.

Beavis told Butt-head about the rape while they were watching a video

>>1005180

Earlier internet exposure is my guess, most parents are too busy to properly raise their kids so they just give them tablets and there they can see the latest trends on finger family videos.

>>1005193

Kids today would rather watch other people play than play themselves. It's bizarre.

>>1005200

From my understanding kids watch youtubers to use them as friend simulators even though most likely they have actual friends. I don't get it.

>>1005202

I think is like Muk-bang in but less pathetic, in paper. In practice is ever more sad oddly enough.

I think is like E-sports or something, I know some classmates at college sometimes watch e-sports matches but they also play the games themselves and I do watch funhaus but mostly because of the conversations

>>1005233

Look at rome or weimar germany.

They can delay it all they want but it'll eventually happen.

I suspect the rising number of NEETs and incompetent/disenfranchised Gen Zers will put an end to it

The samefag is strong in this thread.

>>1005233

So you have no evidence besides your feels?

>>1005232

This. Sooner or later people always rebel. Left, right, culture, counter-culture, counter-counter-culture, things will change. No one can stop change.

>>1005225

>>1005222

>Oof

>scary

>channers

>:(

You fucking niggers don't belong here.

Leave.

>>1005241

At least try to change your typing style, samefag.

>>1005232

Nigga, it's not a pendulum, it's a monument. SJWism is the new rule of law, especially for media. SJWism is too corporate friendly, because it was largely shaped by them. People often compare SJWs to the religious right, but the biggest difference is the religious right had a scripture they had to follow, the Bible. Sure, some of them had weird interpretations, but it you could at least see where they're coming from and their rules were set. But SJWs have no scripture, they'll change on a dime and pretend it's all the same. It's why you see people unironically arguing for Burger King kids club because they don't see it as pandering, they see it as inclusive. They'll rant about capitalism but love all things Disney. As long as a corporation does the bare minimum and panders to them they'll happily cheer them on.

You might try to counterpoint just how retarded and crazy these cunts are, how they can't be pleased, but the average person never sees that. They only get to see the surface level stuff of "diversity" or "inclusion." It's something the average person might roll their eyes at, but would never argue against it less they want to get fired.

>>1005288

Fuck off, only us real channers know the redpilled truth of the fucked state of things.

>>1005297

You're not wrong, but that's not the point. Yes they'll pick each other apart for all the wrongthink and try to be the wokest, but you've also seen how even most of them when they get burnt still fight in the name of SJW and try to get back in the good graces of the herd. And it's the last part that makes them such useful little guard dogs.

These people don't build anything, they're useful idiots who parrot what they're told to when they believe a company is on their side. Look at Ghostbusters 2016. None of them cared about it, but a company told them evil white men on the internet don't like it. So it got blindly supported and praised it. Yes, the movie largely flopped, but that hasn't stopped them from pulling the same move for movies or tv shows in the same vain, hence the topic of this thread. If Daria and Token gets made expect the same tacit.

>>1004833

I used to do some work for an agency that specifically targetted SJWs. They were basically liberal, middle-class, university educated white women and their low-status male admirers. It is profitable. They do spend lots of money. Most of the famous SJWs are trust-fund babies. The working SJWs (and there are plenty) aren't as loud and don't spend so much time begging for you to supplement their trust fund or to fund their cutting edge game, made in game-maker, about being cat-called (games are art and therefore don't have to be fun, shitlord).

They are the types of people who buy "male tears" mugs or t-shirts with "smash the patriarchy" written on them or a quilt with "die cis scum" embroided on it and then post photos of themselves on Tumblr (with a referral link to where they bought that item).

One of the things about the agency's target demographic was the amount they would spend on worthless shit. Not only would they buy it, they would then tweet about it and write about it on their Tumblr and Facebook. They would post pictures of themselves with the item they'd been sold (by an entirely male-owned company), which led to more sales of these high-profit-margin items. These people are prolific consumers. They click ads, they fall for fake marketeer profiles because they hear what they want to hear. They are a money maker. They're the left's equivalent of people who'd buy anything with an American flag on for the years following 9/11. They're people who you could market an item to by putting the prefix "Freedom" in front of a product name. They're just like the people who'd buy any old shit with a bald eagle on it. They are just like the people who buy "from my cold dead hands" pro-gun bumper stickers. They're a demographic that want people to know their opinions and wear it on their sleeve and on their car.

They are a demographic that reddit wants. Reddit exists to make money (which it has failed to do so far). They are a demographic that 4chan wants. Moot wants to make more money and he isn't going to do it through bunch of tech-savvy geeks who love piracy. Reddit and 4Chan don't want people who know what Adblock is. They want people who will buy a t-shirt made in a Taiwanese sweatshop with a pro-feminist message on it (and 500% mark-up). How do you attract those people? You pander to them. You make spaces safe so that they'll come in. You cleanse your site of the "undesirables" that are there so that they will come and spend.

What we're seeing here is a kind of gentrification of high-traffic parts of the internet. These sites want to make money and they're not going to do it through some ad-block, VPN, piratebay, google-fu expert who posts things that makes the ladies want to faint.

You see this sort of thing in music festivals. The festivals are made good by members of the counter-culture, but when the festivals start attracting big names, suddenly ticket prices climb, drugs are banned completely, nakedness, improptu perfomances, and general anarchy are stopped and it becomes some homogenised, middle-class-mother-friendly pop concert with Hummus everywhere and excellent baby-changing facilities. Why? Because dirty hippies don't spend as much money as middle class moms and university-educated white girls.

>>1005249

>Sooner or later people always rebel

Normally yes but not in this situation, the common of almost all revolutions were:

>physical tyrannical oppression leading to death

>bad harvest/mass starvation leading to death

Has of today there is none of these two and it's not going to be the case, we have too much food and the physical violence is generally legitimated trough TV montage or not talked about or forgotten because we have too much distraction.

We are more in the beginning/build of a war or civil war more than anything else or at least this is what governments let appears. Nobody can remotely see or comprehend how much information is getting re-routed thanks to the botnet internet and TV.

>>1005308

You say it like the death of the comic and animation industry is a bad thing.

>>1005318

stop

What the fuck has this thread turned into?

>>1005327

No, you shat up a perfectly fine thread with your pessimistic delusions. I can tell most of the off-topic posts are you, because you keep repeating the same shit over and over and you keep acting like a disillusioned 16 year old who just discovered 8chan.

>>1005318

cringe

>>1005329

I think it's one guy posting this shit in each thread, every off-topic post has the same exact typing style and terms. "It's over, the SJWs won give up, only us channers know the redpilled truth" etc., rither some fag trying to fuck with the board or some loser kid like >>1005328 said.

>>1005333

It seems like he only started this a few weeks ago, so I'd say so.

>>1005155

>pic

Just one actor still alive from that gif.

>>1005329

I've noticed it too. Some faggots are doing it on /tech/, /k/ and /pol/

>>1005020

>>1005031

I still think it was MTV forcing the writers to broaden the audience or some shit like that. Even to this day, the show's writers can't even explain why they even bothered - I remember Eichler mentioning off hand he thought it would be realistic, but then why did Jane just lay down and take the cuckqueaning? She realistically would've torn Daria to shreds while the Fashion Club would've had a field day. The show should've ultimately ended with either Daria admitting she fucked up and learning from it or getting into drugs/alcohol because she couldn't cope with losing her only friend.

>>1005432

>But seems to be working if slowly

The rest of your post proves otherwise. Even if you did change her she's just one fucking kid. Face it, changing Generation Fortnite is nothing short of impossible.

>>1005440

Also why the fuck do shitters here think they're being raided, just because people are presenting the fucking truth?

>>1005440

>>1005443

I see your ban expired.

>>1005444

I'm not that guy retard.

>>1005446

Sure thing anon, sure thing.

>guys it's not too late you can still save the chillunz XDDDDDDDDD

>just show them good cartoons and they'll like it XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>1005446

>>1005448

You seem upset.

>>1005449

Go be bluepilled somewhere else. What this so called "raid" is saying to you is the same shit that many on this site have agreed on long ago. Just ask /tech/, /pol/, /v/, or shit even this very board and they will give similar answers. You and I are being outbread.

>>1005446

>not respecting trips

FAG

>>1005444 ✓

>>1005456

He’s a summerfag anon, he’ll fuck off once school starts again.

>>1005432

You can't force your interests on kids. They're naturally rebellious and generally do the opposite of what you want. Kids also like stuff that they can see as their own. That's why anime became huge in the late 90s and early 2000s. Kids saw it as wildly different from everything else at the time and something their parents and teachers didn't understand. It had that exotic and dangerous mystique about it that made them feel more mature for watching it. If you want to try and ween her off shitty shows, treat them as though they're for babies and the stuff that you like is for cool older kids.

>>1005440

> Face it, changing Generation Fortnite is nothing short of impossible.

Be real with me here. Are you in your 40s? You sound like some middle aged goon trying to make "generation Fortnite" a thing. Fortnite's a flavor of the month that will disappear when streamers move on to something else, just like PUBG before it. Kids look for guidance and they see it in streamers and Youtube fags. They see them as role models and cool adults and want to do what they do.

>>1005459

Nah, they don't talk like a summerfag. Examining their choice of words and arguments, they sound like shills or influencers to me. Some clueless intern is probably being paid to spew the same defeatist talking points. It usually happens when /pol/ or /v/ stumbles upon something or pissed someone off.

>>1004822

god damnit no. I hope MTV runs out of money first.

>>1005582

The original show ended pointing out that Daria was just as flawed and hypocritical as the people who surrounded her. She was a typical angsty goth and as the series started to close her veneer had started to crack as she neared graduation and going into adulthood.

The whole point was that her satirical deadpan delivery was her coping mechanism on how to deal with teenage issues. That she was almost no better than her sister when it came to being shallow, etc.

>>1005020

>>1005439

I thought the whole point was she was already on the outs with Tom and Tom was on the outs with her. But the fact that Daria swooped in on that shit and betrayed her just outright hurt her. Which was the bigger issue. Not really stealing her man because she was mostly over him, but the betrayal part, the principle of it was the issue. Even Trent goes and makes a song about it.

Not everything ends in a catfight.

>>1005311

>I don't see how that's going to work with a cartoon though.

What is the purpose of a cartoon ?

To serve advertisements to sell products.

>>1005586

Just because they're self conscious about being shit doesn't mean that makes it any better that most of the series's fans enjoyed that emo tier criticism and now we have an even shittier version thanks to them.

>>1005594

Satire paradox.

>>1005587

I'm not saying it had to be a catfight. Jane could've just refused to speak to her again, cut her out of her life, etc. I mean, when you think about it, Jane's had this really horrible life. Her family are a bunch of deadbeat losers, her oblivious brother is a fuckup who nearly cost her a decent grade for an assignment, she practically lives on the cusp of homelessness with hardly any food in the house, and her best friend just moved in on her boyfriend. I have to think she should've said at least something about it, y'know? Here was her one GOOD thing - Daria's friendship - and Daria turned out to do something even Quinn wouldn't have done.

Yeah, maybe Jane was already on the outs, but still, I don't think she'd have realistically taken it as well as she did. I could legit see her at the very least tearing Trent to shreds (especially since he saw Tom moving in on Daria but did fuck all about it, and somehow people still glorify him as this good guy).

Realistically, the show should've ended rather darkly - Daria loses her friend, sees Quinn on top of the world, and so on. Hell, that speech she made at her graduation could've had more oomph had Jane no showed, given her the feeling that maybe I'm not as good as I think I am and should improve myself accordingly?

>>1005586

That's why the Tom arc was such a waste. They could've done so much more in this regard had it not been for that cliche love triangle nonsense. I honestly can't even watch much, if any, of anything past Tom's introduction because the wasted potential is astronomical.

>>1005594

I've met girls who acted like Daria and they weren't these enlightened smarter-than-you snarks they like to think they are, but seemed like they were actually afraid to genuinely enjoy things. Most of the stuff they pointed out was obvious to everyone but not spoken for obvious reasons. It's sad.

>>1005655

>but seemed like they were actually afraid to genuinely enjoy things

I think this is a problem a lot of people have now.

>>1004922

>how to fuck up at cosplay

>>1005211

watching idiots play video games is like watching reruns of cartoons that are good

>>1005662

But they aren't good. In fact 99% suck and the other 1% are either lolcows or they are part of like the only 4 - 5 channels that are probably good yet nobody watches.

>>1005662

>>1005664

Most of them are pretending to be horrid and overreact because they know that brings in the views.

>>1005458

yeah you gotta respect these trips

>>1005878

Eons

>>1005310

>You say it like the death of the comic and animation industry is a bad thing.

Why wouldn't it be ? It's a lot of people loosing their jobs. If there's someting that I want is a reformation of the comic/animation industry to be less batshit insane, now the question is what is to be less batshit insane ?

In animation, for me, it would be:

>100% complete production in it's original country.

>Stop using cheap cost less production methods.

>A slower pace and number of cartoons.

Then for content (stories background etcetera) in it there's a need to stop adding mental illness or allusions of mental illness as a good and normal thing for people. Kids do get a bit influenced by this and it's not by showing that they can live with it in a imaginary world that it's going to help anyone.

But it won't happen because they just follow the money.

>>1005891

More like you forgot your spic.

>>1005981

Stacy doesn't honor her name. She's the purest of the four

>>1006126

I can see where you're coming from, and I agree with the desperate wanting to identify bit - honestly so much in society today can be explained if interpreted in this way - but I think the case is more that Jane and her family aren't as well off as you may think. In 2000, MTV set up a fake website for Jane (they did for each character) called LaneBay where Jane explictly states it's:

>the web's first family-style online art auction. Since Mom and Dad often forget to pay the mortgage, it may be the only way I can hold onto my garret.

Combined with the lack of food in the house, it seems more like the parents just blow their money on frivolous shit at the cost of their children's welfare.

>>1006169

I forgot to add, but it's mentioned in one of the tie-in books, The Daria Diaries, that:

>

While at Jane's house for the first time, Jane had Daria help her barricade the front door in case the bank tried to foreclose on the house because Mr. and Mrs. Lane forgot to leave them any mortgage payments.

I could be wrong, and maybe they are just well off but extremely negligent, but either way - I find it hard to believe it never factored into the Tom arc in question. That the writers/popular media can present this as a realistic friendship AND as the epitome of feminism/strong female characters is nothing short of asinine - I mean, I liked the show too, but the show sinks into so bad it's good territory at best around Tom's introduction.

>>1006173

>>

>While

One too many spaces there Anon.

Daria was always shit. Being stuck in a "who can be the least emotionally invested in anything or anyone in their life, look at those fags over there caring about stuff" youth culture is complete ass, Daria didn't start it but was certainly emblematic of it

>>1006173

>>1006169

I suppose there's some room for interpretation and I'm sure different people may debate whether websites and books are considered true canon or not, but when I see it phrased as:

>Mom and Dad often FORGOT to pay the mortgage

the lack of groceries speaks less of being in dire financial straits (because surely they'd have just moved to a smaller house in a poorer neighborhood before starving themselves to death?) and more that their parents are people from the same mold as Trent: so lazy, so unaware of their surroundings that they forget to do basic things like buy food or pay the bills.

As for how it factors into the Tom arc… Daria's betrayal of Jane is bad enough without Jane also needing to be poor just to compound her woes. I don't even hate Tom or the stories he brought with him; the basic premise of the show "Sarcastic girl is witty towards the dim shallow people surrounding her" wasn't going to stay fresh forever, and by season 3 we were seeing episodes that were basically rehashes of season 1 episodes. So I don't blame them for trying to mix it up and upset the basic dynamic by getting under the skin of the main characters a little. Tom was their best attempt to invent the sort of boy that Daria and Jane would actually stay interested in long enough for a relationship to form. He's not perfect but I don't know what I'd have wanted them to do differently.

>That the writers/popular media can present this as a realistic friendship AND as the epitome of feminism/strong female characters is nothing short of asinine

I agree,

>Realistic Friendship

>Feminist

Pick one. IMO, the correct choice is "realistic female friendship" and anyone trying to claim it as a feminist triumph is just moving the goalposts to score a point for their pet ideology.

>>1005303

nice copypasta

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2q267e/marketing_to_sjw_is_not_profitable_why_do_you/cn26hgf/

>>1006210

The Tom arc's problem is that Tom just isn't that good a character. He's bland, boring, and feels too shoehorned in, like an MTV executive strong-armed the writers into including him. Had they done it better, it wouldn't be that bad. I personally think Daria would've been better off as lesbian with Jane or antinatalist/celibate - hell, if she went with Ted, that would've been better too.

The Tom arc wasted valuable time they could've used to expand on arcs like Quinn getting disenchanted with the Fashion Club, Mack/Jodie, Jake coming to terms with his childhood, etc. I get the argument that they wanted to keep the show interesting, but this is like having all the talent and ingredients to make a five star meal and instead opting for fast food.

>the correct choice is "realistic female friendship" and anyone trying to claim it as a feminist triumph is just moving the goalposts to score a point for their pet ideology.

Agreed, but I think it's too unrealistic that they remained friends. I just can't buy into Jane taking somebody like Daria back without once calling her out on her hypocrisy. I could buy they got back together if they actually depicted the stuff beforehand - the arguments, the ostracism, the field day Quinn/Sandi would have at Daria's expense, etc.

Of course, with the reboot, it'll all be "ask me about my feminist agenda" like everything else.

>>1006473

Tom is bland, I won't deny that, but many of the same criticisms could be laid upon Daria herself. In terms of personality Tom is intended to be Daria's male counterpart, just as dry and witty and sarcastic and disaffected like a good proto-hipster of the 90's should be. He got an upgrade over Daria in the looks department because the show is still ostensibly intended to court a female demographic (so yes, MTV exec meddling I agree), but if you stuck him in some glasses and frumpy clothes, he'd be rule 63'd Daria. They could have made him more interesting (like giving him some distinctive hobbies, some family strife like Daria has to deal with, and at least some sort of flaw) but I think they didn't really want to use Tom as a character unto himself. I don't recall Tom ever having his own side-stories like Kevin or Brittany or even Upchuck would occasionally have the freedom to. Tom is more a stimulus to provoke new stories out of Daria and Jane. How does Daria react to having feelings for a boy? Not a bad boy or a nerdy boy or a boy from an ethnic background or a boy with anger issues or anything else that would have to be resolved within the span of one episode… just a boy. It isn't meant to matter very much what Tom is or isn't like because the attention of the story is intended to be on Daria and Jane and the emotions they are experiencing as a result of this new stimulus being injected into their lives and their friendship. That's why I don't hate Tom even while fully agreeing that he's bland and inoffensive as fuck. My expectations were never for him to be anything more than that. He had one job to do, and he did it acceptably well.

>I personally think Daria would've been better off as lesbian with Jane

Nah, and that isn't just a reaction to Current Year progressive politics. Daria and Jane's platonic female friendship was one of the healthiest I've seen in fiction, and I really don't need the waters muddied by lesbian subtext or blatant overtext. Also, this being the 90's, it would have been perceived less as an LGBT triumph and more as pandering to male gaze that just want to see the two main characters making out for their entertainment.

>antinatalist/celibate

It worked for the first two seasons, so I see no reason why this couldn't continue… provided they had other worthwhile plotlines to explore with Daria. There's other things they could have done with her, but experiencing romance IS an undeniable part of the typical American high-school experience so I don't fault them for thinking that this would be fertile ground for stories.

>hell, if she went with Ted, that would've been better too.

Aside from the nails-on-chalkboard voice of his, I liked Ted too. But he's a pretty clear Gary Stu and so I have my doubts that he'd be useful for more than the single episode he appeared in. Ted was a bit "weird", which is good and interesting in ways Tom isn't, but he's got too much going for him otherwise; captured the main character's physical attraction, smart and able to hold his own in a conversation, financially well-off enough to live in Lawndale, physically able to overpower Kevin without throwing a punch, and charismatic enough to turn the bullies that tried to harass him into friends to go LARPing with. Textbook Gary Stu.

>Agreed, but I think it's too unrealistic that they remained friends. I just can't buy into Jane taking somebody like Daria back without once calling her out on her hypocrisy. I could buy they got back together if they actually depicted the stuff beforehand - the arguments, the ostracism, the field day Quinn/Sandi would have at Daria's expense, etc.

Yeah, you've got a point there definitely. I would have been happy to see Daria and Jane split up for the better part of an entire season before they miss each other and make their apologies. Just so that the Jane/Tom hookup felt like it actually mattered. But to be fair, teenage girls do have very… flexible emotions. And it's not like Jane was engaged to Tom, they just had hormones for each other long enough for a fling.

Also, I'm fine with Daria's initial approach to sex being that she wasn't ready for it… but could we not have had a return to that topic the following season when she was? "Through a lens darkly" is a great episode because Daria finally unclenches her morals long enough to be a little bit more human. And fuck, if we're going to see Tom be a little less perfect it would have been completely understandable to see him get even slightly impatient at having a girlfriend who never puts out.

>>1005145

Well Marty's actor did play his daughter in Back to the Future 2.

>>1004822

Is this going to be a time shift or a full fledged reboot? I mean they say it's a reboot but there's also "details are sparse". Still I dunno who this is going to attract, it had a certain demographic back in the day and that niche doesn't exist really anymore. My bet is they either do a faithful shitfling against the wall, or they'll try to current year it and push their age up and make 'em dykes.

>They are also working on a live-action remake of the 2005’s hit movie “Aeon Flux.”

Hot damn, there's some more people in this world who have to be shot now.

>>1005303

Friend that is an OLD ass post. Hell you didn't even change the >moot to >gook. Also while that might have been the case in 2008-13, SJWs going all in on ANYTHING since then has doomed (slowly or quickly) whatever they've touched since then. Hell, look at Fembusters. I will admit it hasn't STOPPED them from making inroads in new industries, but it hasn't helped those new victims ultimately when they do.

bump

>>1005456

Is there really a Trump child bood that doesn't make him look like a monster?

>>1004973

>Duke Nukem: Forever

I remember that being considered the fuck up of ages and now shit like that is par for the course.

Things really have gotten worse.

>>1004996

Because tv is dying and the younger generations aren't watching it, they're dicking around on social media. Hell I've read most teenagers use Youtube. My point is that they are trying to appeal to their old audience with these shows because they're among the younger demographics that still watch tv.

>>1004822

Daria was always trash, even in it's "hayday"

Daria was a slut who deserved to be raped

>>1022163

Careful with tha edge newfriend

>>1022167

>unironically defending Daria

sad

>>1022163

Someone's triggered.

Get over it fatass.

>>1022188

Why are you defending a dyke show for dykes?