No.9978
The amount of unironic usage I see from reddit crowd seem to imply that they don't.
No.9982
No.9984
>>9978
It's also out of context, IIRC, because he was referring to how the anime industry has basically become otaku material with the most "deep" discussion being about who's the "best girl" of the series.
No.9986
>>9984
If Miyazaki is right enough, and anime keeps basing itself off of itself, will it eventually thus become ingrained with the same issues as calarts, just at a much, much slower pace?
No.10031
>>9978
Did he actually not say anything like that or was it just the (((translation))) like usual?
I'd always assumed the latter.
>>9986
I somewhat doubt it. The main problem that modern western art in general has is that we've had a concerted effort to get rid of the idea of objective beauty, leading to our artists losing the ability to produce something truly beautiful.
Otaku don't seem to have that problem. There just won't be anything new happening, until there is exactly one character design and one voice for every character type acting out the same thing over and over again into eternity (at worst).
No.10033
>>10031
Miyazaki said that the problem with the anime industry today is that so many otaku that lived in isolation are getting into the industry. These otaku only know of the anime and manga they entertain themselves with, so they end up making imitations of their favorites with a slight spin because that's all they know. Miyazaki would rather the industry gets filled with original ideas and that the people that got into the industry now know the world around them and bring new experiences into the profession. He blames otaku for causing the creativity of the industry to go stagnant.
No.10035
No.10037
>>10035
Pretty much. He never said "anime was a mistake" it's more on the lines of him saying "otaku taking control of the industry was a mistake."
No.10064
Here's a little history lesson that's needed to understand why Miyazaki is such a hypocritical piece of shit for complaining that the industry is full of otaku. All of what I'm about to say comes from what I was told by Japanese people when I lived in Japan.
In the 80's, the Japanese noticed a massive surge in stress related mental problems among children. This surge coincided with schools reaching a point where they were little more than prisons that forced you to study. The government saw this and forced schools to do things like give kids weekends off and limited the amount of hours schools could make kids attend. This was great for the kids, but by the 90's, parents who were unused to seeing their children not in school or studying felt that educational standards were falling. This resulted in the creation of "cram schools", which were basically schools outside of school that parents forced their kids to go to. Kids would go to school from 8 in the morning to 3-4 p.m. only to have to immediately rush to cram school from right after school to 8-9 p.m. This brings us to the current Japanese school system where kids have no life outside of school until they get into college.
Now, why does this make Miyazaki a hypocrite? Two reasons:
1 - it's impossible for modern Japanese children to get the "life experience" that Miyazaki did due to too many hours in school. They go from school to cram school to home where they'll do homework until they pass out from exhaustion, rinse, repeat until college. This is why so much modern anime, manga, and LNs take place in high school. It's not because it was the best time of their life, as so many people think, but because they don't know anything else.
2 - Miyazaki is a baby boomer, and thus lived in a time where the school system didn't completely lock children down. He was allowed to have a childhood where he could play with friends, fall in love, and all that crap. He is also part of the generation that complained about "falling academic standards" and gave birth to the modern, soul crushing, Japanese school system.
tl;dr - Miyazaki and his generation created a school system that prevents kids from getting the life experience he says they should somehow be able to squeeze between 12-14 hour school days, and all this while he and his generation were able to have a normal childhood due to a more moderate school system.
No.10066
>>10037
Miyazaki is kinda of an asshole but he has a valid point and compare the work of his era and now, while isn't not black and white there are a lot of things that could change in anime for the better.
No.10067
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>>10064
Miyazaki is a hypocritical piece of shit towards most things.
See him acting like an asshole towards these kinds who worked hard and just wanted to show him a cool thing.
No.10068
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
The director of this doc kinda pointed out that Miyazaki has Otaku traits.
No.10070
>>10064
None of that makes him a hypocrite, it just makes him the time-honored tradition of an old person that doesn't get what life is like for young kids. Either way, he's right. Psychologists in every country will all agree that dedicating all your time to one thing only, be it work, a single hobby, or whatever, is terrible for you.
>>10067
Once again, not hypocritical, it's just him being an asshole "THIS IS REAL ART" faggot.
No.10071
>>10070
>Psychologists in every country will all agree that dedicating all your time to one thing only, be it work, a single hobby, or whatever, is terrible for you.
Are you saying that dedicating my life to watching Japanese cartoons is terrible for me?
No.10072
>>10070
>None of that makes him a hypocrite
Do you know what a hypocrite is? It's not that bird horse from Harry Potter.
No.10073
>>10067
I agree with Miyazaki on this, the demo he was shown was an awful way to showcase the tech.
No.10074
>>10072
>Do you know what a hypocrite is?
An actor. Someone who preaches against something while doing it himself.
No.10075
Miyazaki is just being a fag. The idea that modern anime is stagnant is asinine itself.
The medium has always been 90% trash with a few gems. People that bitch about the current trash just dislike it in favor of the old trash. That's all itis.
No.10076
>anime is stagnant and creatively dead
>coming from someone who hasn't done anything different for 35 years
Ghibli is the gold standard of unchanging orthodoxy in the industry, representing a throwback to 50s Toei full animation. He says things like "anime shouldn't influence itself" when his primary reason for getting interested in animation was Hakujaden. Really like most people what he lacks the most in his commentary on anything is self-awareness.
No.10104
>>10066
He through a hissy fit when some game developers showed him how they animated an monster. He said it had no heart. Oh this anon already posted it >>10067
I think he needs to get of his high horse but he's not wrong about this >>10037
Anime used to have a lot more variety. No it all feels like fan service shit.
>>10076
Also a lot of his character designs he stole from other people. Like the robot from Laputa, he got that from the infamous Superman cartoon from the 60s.
No.10105
>>10073
Fuck off, they worked hard and were honest. He's not criticizing them for bad tech, he's preaching them on nonsensical moral. "Being with Miyazaki" here is being a complete fucking asshole.
No.10106
>>10076
>Vroom!
>That's a quick ascent.
What did he mean by this?
No.10108
>>10104
>Like the robot from Laputa, he got that from the infamous Superman cartoon from the 60s.
No.10110
>>10105
Look if your going to show someone a demo of your tech you show them something that is a good demonstration of what the tech can do, what they showed was a total mess that anyone would of reacted negatively too.
No.10541
>>10064
Japan legit needs to allow the kids to have fun and cause one thing I've learned in life is while school is important (debatable these days) going out and having fun gives you a lot of life experiences.
No.10547
>>10541
I'm working to become a teacher in Japan just so maybe I can teach this to kids over there
No.10548
>>10547
If you don't become like the pic anon I'll be disappointed.
No.10557
>>10108
1940s actually, my bad.
No.10565
I agree with him. Those otaku are just disgusting. Don't you guys know that they want to fuck kids and marry cartoons?
No.10566
>>10064
Oh, that actually explains a lot.
No.10571
>>10565
But he wants to marry kids and fuck cartoons.
No.10580
>>9978
People, specifically normalfags who think of themselves as anime connoisseurs when all they've seen is trash on Toonami and stream shit, keep buying into that quote which pisses me off.
Anime goes through creative ruts constantly; people who brag about only watching old shit should go watch the toyetic super robot shows in the 70s that were aimed at 6 year olds if they think all anime pre-199X or 200X was all good and everything now is shit.
No.10715
>>10580
Wait I know this guy it was Sage from TGWTG? What he do?
No.10723
>>10715
>What he do?
Provide shit opinions on anime by being a hack who does fuck all research about anything he watches.
No.10726
>>10723
I remember him only doing games.
No.10778
He basically said something close to that.
Not really seeing your point.
also anime past 2005 is shit.
No.10783
>>10778
Except he didn't
>also anime past 2005 is shit.
Just what we need, more posturing pseudo oldfags with a cutoff date for when anime stopped impressing you because you picked up on tropes that have existed for decades. >>>/reddit/
No.10787
>>10783
Not that guy but I look at modern anime and see them as nothing more than shipping baits. Every anime fan is obsessed with shipping every single character with one another that they care more about the shipping than the plot. Sure old anime has shipping but they rarely ship as much as now. If you see two character as much as hold hands with each other, anime fans look at that as a marriage proposal. I'm honestly tired with all the shitstorm about shipping which is why I don't watch a lot of modern anime these days.
No.10790
>>10033
>These otaku only know of the anime and manga they entertain themselves with, so they end up making imitations of their favorites with a slight spin because that's all they know.
I thought he said his problem with them was these people live in isolation and so they write like shit because they don't understand how real people interact with eachother. Half the time in modern anime I can't tell if the way a character behaves is just a cultural difference or something that doesn't translate well, or if the writers are just retarded and their characters are braindead monkeys.
No.10792
>>10787
>Not that guy but I look at modern anime and see them as nothing more than shipping baits. Every anime fan is obsessed with shipping every single character with one another that they care more about the shipping than the plot.
>fans are indicative of the medium itself
Congratulations you're a moron who goes to shitholes like tumblr and/or MAL and thinks some stupid decades trope is indicative of all anime when you only watch a handful of anime every year. Please take your misinformed posturing to the old anime thread or >>>/reddit/
No.10793
>>10791
>horsefucker
>right
Pick one and only one
No.10794
>>10793
>If a horse fucker says a blue house is blue he's wrong because he's a horsefucker
No.10795
No.10797
>>10064
That explains a lot. So all one has to do to improve anime is fix the Japanese school system?
No.10813
>>10792
Why are you so bitter? I was just posting my opinion.
No.10814
>>10797
Yes, and add gender studies.
No.10816
No.10821
>>10795
You mean nice proof by contradiction.
No.10831
>>10813
You're opinion is informed by bullshit.
No.10832
>>10580
This.
Nostalgiafags are deluded, every era of anime had great stuff- and tons of shit. 70s was 99% QUALITY, even in cherished classics. 80s was full of increasingly bad sequels and OVAs that went nowhere because the companies producing them went up. 90s had tons of OVAs that flopped and never ended because the market was changing, and the recession nearly killed the entire industry.
Early 2000s was the rough transition to digital color and CG, and tons of shows were ugly as fuck as a result. Early 2000s anime also suffered due to the death of the OVA market and the transition to tv/DVD marketing.
No era is really superior, there are just certainly aesthetics and themes that went in and out of style over time.
No.10833
>>10783
>>10832
>dude new is always better lmao
It's like you guys are deliberately pretending that mediums never get degraded by casuals.
No.10834
>>10831
How is my opinion bullshit. People these days watch anime for the shipping look at every romance anime or any anime with a romance subplot. They're always the most hyped up shit around (This season's is Darling in the Frazz) because people are all about the shipping. I know you are a special snowflake for not sharing the opinion of all anime watchers but it doesn't change the fact that shipping is one of the big reasons people watch anime these days.
No.10835
>>10778
Come on anon, You know damn well that's not true. Every year there is a few gems among the turds. And even those turds aren't so bad when compared to Western animation. Yeah most of it's cliche and done before but god damn those Japanese fuckers a lot of fucking heart in their work. You can see it even in the trash fires.
No.10845
>>10834
>How is my opinion bullshit
>proceeds to think anime is shit because what dumbfuck tumblrtards do is indicative of what shows actually are
Try reading your own posts to see why your opinion makes no sense.
>People these days
>They're always
>people are all about the shipping
>anime watchers
>people watch anime these days.
You don't speak of the shows of themselves; you speak of what possible bullshit retards will do when watching the series. If this is your barometer of not liking anime, just quit watching altogether since fans always will do stupid like write bad fan-fiction, come up with dumbass theories, or ship.
Judge the shows for what they are, not what dumbass "fans" do you dumb fuck.
>>10833
>implying we said all new shit is better than old shit.
You need to learn to be pragmatic, and actually watch old and new shit alike before running your mouth of like a normalfag who only watches shit spoonfed to him in "old anime" threads
No.10846
>>10834
You are correct about the shipping shit, but really, who cares. Everybody, but mostly girls, do it. It's part of every fandom. I did when I was kid and still do it now.
Angel X Buffy still stings….
This reply is brutally perfect >>10845
Jesus people relax.There is a fight in every thread. We're better than /a/ right?
No.10848
>>10846
You're not wrong, but
<Jesus people relax.There is a fight in every thread.
You post shit, you get bullied. This isn't a hugbox, and this place will not fester with misinformation like every other shithole on the internet.
>We're better than /a/ right?
Not when we're attracting retards who know nothing of the medium.
No.10850
>>10833
Congrats man, you didn't read where I said every era has great stuff and lots of shit. I didn't say anything about new anime being better. My point is nostalgiafags that bitch about newer anime being terrible and older anime being perfect are full of shit, and they haven't watched much anime from the eras they tout as the best.
The best way to watch anime is to check out different shows and genres from all different times. You can see where a lot of themes and trends came from over the years and how anime evolved. If you corner yourself with a bullshit mentality of one time period or genre being superior to another you're only cheating yourself.
No.10852
>>10848
>and this place will not fester with misinformation like every other shithole on the internet.
So Rei is best girl?
No.10853
>>10848
Yeah…I'm a fag…I want a nice place to discuss anime without everyone taking it too seriously and arguing about stupid shit like everywhere else.
BULLY ME SEMPAI!
>>10852
Asuka you fucking faggot!
No.10855
>>10853
don't shake the babby
No.10860
>>10853
>Rei
>>10852
>Asuka
fucking casuals!
No.10862
No.10890
>>10860
>not Misato
Neck yourself.
No.10892
Asuka is best girl.
What do we do now.
No.10894
>>10892
>>10860
>>10862
>>10890
>20 years later people still don't understand who is best girl
No.10947
>>10848
>Not when we're attracting retards who know nothing of the medium.
This is why we bully and force them to integrate by making them get better taste.
No.11220
>>10832
Modern shit is objectively bad, sorry to burst your bubble.
No.11225
No.11869
>>10580
all "anime reviewers" are normalfag cancer
No.12600
>>10890
>misato
point and laugh
No.12601
>>11869
Or pretentious hipsters. They're part of Youtube cancer.
No.12605
>>11220
r/anime may be more your speed.
No.12607
>>12605
>defending modern anime
>sage is a downvote
>sending others to r/
reddit, are you lost?
No.12615
>>12607
Could you please continue to keep us up to date about what all your friends on reddit are thinking?
No.12626
>>12607
You seem upset friendo.
No.13100
No.13102
No.13276
He didn't say anything particularly wise. It's not so much about otakus being the ones that create new anime, but about producers being the ones that controlling the creative process
>>12605
>reddit doesn't like modern anime because i said so
No.13301
>>11869
I wouldn't hate them so much if not for the fact that every time I try watching them, within the first 3 videos I watch they say something quantifiably wrong about the anime they're discussing.
No.13311
>>11869
GrumpyJiisan was the only good one. (RIP ;_;).
>>13301
That's called the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect.