No.42230
An anon recommended this recently and it hit me like a truck. Are there any other anime or manga that feature self-loathing and resolution?
No.42231
No.42235
>self-loathing
I'd rather be hated by cute anime grills
No.42236
>>42235
What's the resolution in this one?
No.42237
No.42238
>>42237
According to descriptions this is just boring ecchi shit.
No.42240
No.42246
>>42231
Does this have a happy ending or is it just self-loathing all the way through?
No.42249
I’ve been shilling it recently. It hit you like a truck? That’s one way to put it. I watched it after feeling distressed nothing could top Kimi no Na wa. While the latter remains my favorite ‘’movie’’ overall production I do prefer Koe no Katachi because of the manga (fyi, read the one-shot and the special chapter on mangadex)
I would recommend Mimi wo Sumesaba aka Whisper of the Heart. It’s a Ghibli film but Miyazaki did not direct it. Which means that we get a movie without silly paragliders for once (if I recall correctly).
No.42250
>>42249
Yeah, enjoyed Your Name too. Thanks for the recs anon.
>special chapter
Whatcha talkin bout?
No.42251
No.42252
>>42250
I’m sorry I just noticed you wanted self-loathing stuff not just romance. You’ve probably seen a bit already but off the top of my head Baccano and Fate/zero have self loathing to a degree. 5 centimeters per second is quite similar romance/self doubt as well.
No.42280
>>42247
Thanks for reminding me of that one. I completed reading it ages ago and I remember promising myself to start lifting and getting a real job because the MC was a bit too close to home. I don't know why it isn't talked about more often, because it did "inspire your audience to stop being filthy otaku faggots" better than Evangelion in my opinion.
No.42284
No.42295
>>42280
> I don't know why it isn't talked about more often,
well, ressentiment doesn't have an anime
and i think it's ahead of it's time.
>Published: Dec 15, 2003
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No.42320
No.42321
>feature self-loathing and resolution
welcome to the NHK
No.42329
>self-loathing
Neeko wa Tsurai yo
No.42830
>>42247
>>42280
Thought the resolution was a little too convenient, and then apparently Takuro never cleaned himself up in the end anyway. The author didn't appear to really care about the story all that much, and so I couldn't get invested in it either.
No.42838
>>42489
I honestly think she was just mental deranged.
No.43229
>>42838
In what way? Anti-social personality disorder? It's a wonder she didn't actually kill anyone.
No.43231
>>43229
>It's a wonder she didn't actually kill anyone.
That we know of.
No.43238
>>43237
She had some mental disorder seeing shit from her perspective at the end of the manga.
No.43243
>>43238
Why did she push him away?
No.43245
>>43243
I'm guessing at the end she realised her role in fucking up his life and in way she knew it be better for them to live apart since two fucked up people don't make for a stable partnership.
No.43254
>>42321
The novel, mango, or animu?
No.43258
>>43254
All three, granted the anime is the lighter and softer version since the manga and novel are much more cynical.
No.43264
>>42329
Seems more like a series of a mean-spirited jabs at NEETs with no real empathy for their situation.
No.43276
reminder this manga exists
> self-loathing and resolution?
> resolution
wait
No.43277
>>42830
That's Hanazawa's trademark style. Bait you with a super interesting premise so you get trolled into getting along with the ride then suddenly give you a shitty ending where basically nothing has changed, especially in terms of the MCs' situation. That's why I said he does Anno's shtick better since I think Hanazawa doesn't just hate his audience but also himself. Especially himself I'd say, considering all of his MCs yes, including Takuro; Takuro is basically a bald and much fatter Hideo look like him, and they all suffer up until the end of their respective stories.
No.43298
>>43276
Just the sheer look of betrayal and disgust on his face was what got me.
No.43306
>>43254
>>43258
The novel is by far the most depressing. There's a number of things they cut from both other adaptions. Changing the drugs into "lol he's just having wacky hallucinations" in particular is really weak, since his substance abuse is actually a pretty important part of the original. Also, only the novel has the addendum where the writer talks about where his life went after making it. I wonder what he's up to now.
No.43308
>>43306
>I wonder what he's up to now.
He joined a cult.
No.43311
>>43308
Well, that's ironic.
No.43314
>>43311
Yea it both is highly ironic and sad.
No.43389
Oyasumi Punpun
While I enjoyed reading Koe no Katachi, I still disliked it for hitting too close to home for me, being deaf myself.
No.43399
>>43389
Are you really deaf? Entertain us, freak. Just kidding! Teehee!
I can sometimes not appreciate a manga when it hits close to home as well brother, I know that feel. When I read the Death Note manga it was very irksome to my psyche because I am a survivor of a death note that my fat fuck classmate John put my name in during 7th grade Art class. If you ever need a shoulder to lean on I am here for you bro. We can’t let trauma ruin our love for Japanese culture.
No.43406
>>43399
What kind of LARPing is this?
>>43389
Sucks man. I'm schizophrenic. We all have our flaws. We have to be the best we can be in the situations we're dealt with. None of us are broken people. Art can come close to the idea of it but Welcome to the NHK wasn't great in my opinion because the hallucinations were cartoony instead of realistic. It missed the point in the attempt without any real grounding but how could someone without real delusions simulate them. You can't blame the artist for being out of depth. He was just imagining what it was like. Still I would love to read fiction from a real schizophrenic. Maybe that relates in Koe no Katachi for you on the issue of depth. It's close to home but so abstractly wrong that nothing makes sense in relation to reality. In the end the feeling is there but the logic is wrong.
No.43407
>>43406
>Art can come close to the idea of it but Welcome to the NHK wasn't great in my opinion because the hallucinations were cartoony instead of realistic. It missed the point in the attempt without any real grounding but how could someone without real delusions simulate them.
Unlike what many people think, the hallucinations Sato has in the Welcome in the NHK anime were not caused by mental delusions but by drug use, or at least that's what happened in the original novel. It could be that the producers of the show did not want to seem like they were normalizing drug use or they were simply not allowed to show it so they just left out the explanation which makes it seem like the MC is going insane.
No.43423
>>43389
>Pun pun
I liked this one. Good ending too. The last few chapters were great, I want to talk about it but its better to go through it unspoiled for those who haven't read it.
No.43450
>>43407
I've read the novel and you must not have much experience with psychedelics. There's a general cutoff point if you don't have schizophrenia. A lot of people think that having an absurd dose of LSD will result in "forever madness". That is simply not true. If you were to full dose on LSD two days in a row the second time you do it nothing will happen. The brain juices just aren't there for another dose. You have to span them out. Mushrooms are similar. They trigger things to happen in the brain but they do not add anything to the brain mechanism that isn't already there. Psychedelics don't make you psychotic. Only psychosis does. That is where Welcome to the NHK falls flat. No one in America believes that you get psychedelic effects from marijuana because enough of us has tried marijuana enough to know the truth. It's a falsehood. Just like in Welcome to the NHK.
No.43551
>>43389
This has been pretty good so far.
No.43557
>>43389
>being deaf myself.
No.43581
>>43389
The "resolution" in this was pretty disappointing.
>>43423
>Good ending too.
Bullshit.
No.43582
>>43423
>I want to talk about it
Explain to me please how Sachi managed to find him in time. I feel like I missed an important detail, or was it really just a giant deus ex machina?
No.43587
>>43450
Stop gatekeeping. **Any drug can change your perceptions and the results can be *permanent* (ostensibly depending on whether you acknowledge free will or not and whether this was change or just fate)
While most people pretend to acknowledge objective reality most of them certainly don’t live in it, or else we would stop the pursuit of vain attention seeking hobbies like posting on the internet or being “creative”.**
There were many days were I pulled more than an all-nighter and was awake for 36-40 hours at a time and would sleep 18 hours afterward, wake up, and feel like that other people didn’t have consciousness like me. Of course that was just because I was so groggy my brain was still half asleep. But that is nothing compared to actually altering your body with psychoactive drugs.
No.43599
>>43587
Are you high right now? You're never going to permanently hallucinate or hallucinate when you're not on a trip. Your perception of reality is not going to be vastly different after a trip. You may think differently due to what you experienced but the same could be said for any experience that leaves a mark on you. If you've only had one trip in your life then, yeah, that could be a watershed moment. If you've had a dozen trips then you've had some good times. In Welcome to the NHK it was far more important that he was a NEET loser than the delusions that happened. Also don't stay awake that long. What you're experiencing is self induced psychosis not a trip. You literally go crazy without enough sleep. I highly recommend psychedelics. I disapprove of making yourself crazy.
No.43600
>>43587
Anon what the actual fuck?
No.44001
>>43389
This just made me sick and angry.
No.44232
>>43389
Could you have saved her?
No.44234
>>44232
Sorry she was left hanging
No.44692
No.44791
>pun pun
This was the webm that got me into it
I think its worth a read.
No.45101
Boku no Aishita Fumika does it pretty well.
https://exhentai.org/g/1008897/39d83f0f3a/
No.45112
>>43582
seemed to me like a deus ex machina but to ultimately make punpun more miserable, nothing goes his wayi don't remeber exactly but wheren't sachi and pupun in the same place before at some point?
No.45116
>>45112
Sachi is the senior student they meet briefly when investigating the factory as kids. I don't think Sachi or Punpun ever realize it.
No.45117
>>42320
Are you putting me on a ruse cruise anon? This seems to be slice of life moeshit without any serious self-loathing.
No.45293
Read the Welcome to the NHK manga, kind of disappointed. I've heard this thrown around a lot before, but it wasn't anywhere near near as hard-hitting at Koe no Katachi, Flowers of Evil, or Goodnight Punpun. Resolution was kind of unsatisfying too.
No.45295
>>43306
The manga and its ending confused me.
It seems NHK was an actual organization? What the fuck was the ending? It didnt give me enough closure
No.45299
>>43389
I watched the film adaption, can't bring myself to read the manga due to me having to witness bullying of the disabled in school.
It was spic playing around with a baby nigger's diaper. Soon the baby nigger left the school.
I think the refusal is caused by having this savior complex and thinking right now somewhere in the world this is happening and i can't stop it. i don't know, I think i have to drown myself in Stoicism literature before i read the manga.
No.45653
>>45299
Punpun has a film adaptation?
No.45656
OP here, so far nothing recommended in here has given me the feels like Koe no Katachi. I just want a worthless character to be happy…
No.45657
>>45653
im talking about Koe No Katachi nigger
No.45773
OP, go read Onani Master Kurosawa. It's a great story.
No.45776
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>>42230
did you watch the movie?
No.45784
>>45776
Yup, the manga is probably better.
No.45787
>>45773
He had a major redemption arc.
No.45795
>>45784
I read the manga before watching the movie, they are both good.
No.45837
>>45773
Felt like it didn't really wrap up its loose ends in a satisfying way. Poor resolution.
No.45901
>>45837
In case you were referring to the definitely lackluster manga ending, the author actually made a text-only true ending (After the Juvenile). There's a 2-year timeskip and during that time Kurosawa and Sugawa has been dating.
No.45905
PunPun is the most relatable thing if you're not a neurotypical.
I both love it and hate it at the same time
No.45908
>>45905
>neurotypical
Not disagreeing with your premise but that term is 100% reddit language.
No.46148
>>45901
Kitahara deserved a better ending. Kurosawa hooking up with her bully with no real punishment was pretty fucked up too.
No.46149
>>46148
maybe she was just an 'M' the whole time
No.46154
>reading manga or anime about self-loathing
>not just hateing yourself
>not spending good parts of your day staring off into space as you think of what a worthless little shit you are
>not reminding yourself of every single fuckup you ever made i your life
>not thinking of how much of a disappointment you are to your family
>not punching yourself in the head repeatedly to try in vain to atone for beig such a pathetic pile of shit
>not bashing your head with a door or against a wall as you hate yourself
>not wishing for some sort of comfort and forgiveness before quiety passing on
>not tearing up as you just want some sort of resolution
>ah, but there's the fun bit
>there is no resolution
>you hate yourself more and more, but nothing will ever change
>you will continue to fuck up
>you will continue to be a disappointment
>you will continue to wish for an end
>you won't even try to kill yourself due to either pussying out or having too many obligations
>you will age, fuck up, hate yourself, age, fuck up, hate yourself, age, fuck up, hate yourself over and over and over and over again, slowly losing it until eventually you do drop dead
>of course, dying makes you a fuck up too
>there's not even an afterlife to look forward too
>only a befitting end to you as maggot shit
There is never a resolution.
No.46155
>>46154
No anon. The resolution is becoming comfier in mind and soul, like /animu/.
No.46158
>>46154
Jokes on you. I'm getting cremated. Ha HA!
No.46714
Maybe there isn't anything as good as Koe no Katachi out there? Seems odd because I definitely think it could have been better.
No.56384
Can nobody think of others? I wanna feel really bad but then feel OK.
No.56441
>>56384
Yomawari-sensei
I recommended it in the "Anime / Mango about old fucks" thread before.
It's about a teacher at a night college who helps kids/teenagers in trouble (bullying, abuse, rape, drugs, poverty).
A lot of those kids hate themselves to the point of wanting to kill themselves but for some of them there is a happy ending when they overcome all that shit. Don't expect it to end well everytime though.
No.56443
>>45908
You may be correct, I don't know much about reddit.
But what term would you suggest instead? "Autistic" doesn't cover ADHD and what ever else you have of neurotic deviancies, although it used to be considered on the spectrum.
sage for off-topic.
No.56497
>>46154
>>there's not even an afterlife to look forward too
would you preferto experience horror that is life for all of eternity?
No.56523
>>45908
>100% reddit language.
What are you gonna do about it?