/abdl/ - Adult Baby - Diaper Lover★

OP here, forgot to add this.

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She has two or three posts involving a catheter. she appears to have had it in for a couple days straight now.

>>60790 (OP)

Extremely unsanitary and potentially dangerous. Also, you can't "not hold it back", it's just difficult and painful (but ultimately your muscles are stronger than the tube, especially if you manage to get an erection). The feeling of putting it in is uncomfortable the first few times, kinda like anal sex.

The whole procedure is too intrusive to feel like "real incontinence". However, if you still want to try it out, for the love of god use copious amounts of disinfectant on LITERALLY EVERYTHING, and douse your stuff in lubricant. You must avoid internal wounds and internal infections at all costs.

>>60790 (OP)

I had to use catheters for about a month when I stayed in a hospital. woke up with it after a surgery and let me tell you its the absolute worst. I don't think it will help you feel like its a natural incontinence.

Medfag here.

Before answering your question, it's totally doable and people are taught to use one multiple times a day for certain medical indications the rest of their lifes. So while it is uncomfortable and all, it is doable and is not a real threat. Sometimes we just use one for getting a urin sample and it is a standard thing done all the time and easily teachable. You might catch a UTI but that´s about it.

If you are serious about it there are good guides online on youtube on how to do it and packs sold that contain all the disinfectant and stuff you need in one package.

Is it uncomfortable?

When putting it in yes, it's no fun but the lubricant sold along with it which is apllied to the catheter as well as dircetly into the tip of the penis numbs it, get as much into your tip as you can and wait a minute or two.

When wearing it, it's not bad at all.

Is it possible for it to go all the way inside making it impossible to get it out?

No, they are built so they won't go in. There are loads of different kinds, the one in your picture for example won´t go in. Obviously use one which due to a thicker front can't go in even during whatever you plan to do.

Does having it up against the diaper make it hurt?

Entirely depends on the kind you use. There are kinds with an inflatable balloon at the tip that is inflated after you have it in your bladder so it can't come out by accident. Pulling on it can be painful if done hard, but slight pulling is part of the process to check it is in the bladder and doesn't hurt in general. If using one without such a system I would not expect pain.

What about erections?

Young healthy people get erections constantly even when catheterized. That is no threat nor an issue. The only threat is it might come out depending on how long your catheter is/your penis gets when erect. But that's about it.

Again getting one with a blocking baloon rules that issue out.

It's harmless and I've played with the thought as well. The worst thing that might happen is a UTI (unless you have some kind of immune deficiency or anatomical abnormalities) which is easily treatable.

If you have any questions ask.

>>60827

Where can you get em in europe?

Which ones I should try for?

What is the best medically approved way to remove hair down there?

>tfw massive medical fetish

>>60913

Where can you get them in europe?

Any pharmacy online or offline will do.

This is an extremely common product and is in no way shape or form restricted.

A link with an overview of all the stuff they have on the topic.

https://www.shop-apotheke.com/katheter/ (or any other online pharmacy wherever you are from)

Amazon sells them as well. All kinds of catheters you might imagine.

Which ones I should try for?

There are an immense amount of different styles. The industry is very active in finding new forms and ways to use them as most cases they are used by regular folks in big quantities.

To keep it simple let’s look at your 2 best options, those being a one time catheter, or a long term one that is block able (meaning a small balloon is being inflated in your bladder to make sure it can’t come out). Sounds scary, but it really is not at all.

https://static.shop-apotheke.com/images/416x416/einmalkatheter-fuer-maenner-ch-12-mit-nelatonspitze-katheter-D04475987-p1.jpg

A simple one time catheter. Does the trick, but has no way of making sure it stays in.

When used or fixed in some way this might work, but I’d advice for the other kind for the sake of simplicity (also they other kind is meant to stay in for longer times).

Any kind of simple permanent catheter will do.

Here an example on what they look like.

https://static.shop-apotheke.at/images/D10079600-p1.jpg

https://www.medishop.de/images/medishop.de/art_image/detail/sonstige/pet_14133.jpg

You have two openings, one for the urine to come out, the other one is where you inject some water so the balloon can inflate in your bladder.

Some have different forms of noses, the slightly bent one being more easy to get in due to anatomical reasons (the non bent ones work too). It really is not that important.

I would highly suggest using one of these. Just take any kind of youtube tutorial and follow their steps, a trained monkey can do that.

I teach that to demented people and they manage fairly well after the a few times showing them, so you can do that easily. It really is extremely simple and there is next to no way you can harm yourself (unless you decide to go on despite the fact you are screaming already in pain, just take it easy and slow)

Some general hints:

Buy the thinner (or average to thin) one for adults you find, you don’t need a thick one at all, trust me the liquid finds it’s way perfectly fine in a thin one too.

Also get yourself a catheter kit:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71u29iF5rCL._SX355_.jpg

It holds some numbing/lubing lotion a set of clean gloves and a syringe to block the balloon, alongside something for disinfecting the area.

Again watch any youtube tutorial for the use of the items.

It works without all that too, and people who catheter daily tend to skip disinfecting and lubing/numbing and never get UTIs, so don’t worry. But it makes the job A LOT more easier being numb and lubed up.So buy one they aren't expensive.

What is the best medically approved way to remove hair down there?

No need to do so for a catheter, I’m no nurse so I wouldn't know, that’s not my field.

I’d go for a sensitive razor and some shaving cream.

Is it dangerous?

No. If I can train a demented crippled person to do this, you should easily be able to do it.

The nice thing here is your body gives you feedback. It does feel very strange and slightly uncomfortable, but if you experience serious pain stop, pull back a bit and very slowly and calmly try again.

If you fuck up you will know it, don’t go forceful beyond the pain limit and there is nothing to fear.

An UTI when properly disinfected is extremely unlikely and even without people use them daily without an issue.

Also a UTI is something common and can be easily treated.

Do I experience real incontinence with it?

100% yes.

A tube is simple bypassing your system for closing the bladder, that is as simple as it sounds. It will just leak past it.

I have never heard of people blocking a catheter by their own volition. Even when swollen/infected (meaning pressure on the catheter) it works like a charm and is used to relieve people who can’t piss anymore due to the swelling.

I mean in theory it is possible, but the catheters used can hardly be compressed by hand, less so by your muscles down there.

I don't know where you are from, so I can't just link you to some store.

With the information presented you should be able to handle yourself however.

If you want me to make sure what you buy is fine, just post it here and I can let you know. Any kind will work, some just better than others, so don't worry.

If there are any questions just ask.

>>60931

Very good info, thanks! t. another anon

So I spent the afternoon foley cathetered. Slowly getting wetter and wetter was a rush, I could focus on something else and be surprised by an extra heft to my diaper when I stood up.

Having it in though felt at times like being 100% bursting to pee, and when I'd voluntarily or involuntarily try to void I guess the balloon would hold it in place but it would be pretty discomforting, almost painful. Was 14G too big maybe, would a smaller one be less noticeable?

>>61680

There are a few thing possible that might have gone wrong.

When inserting the catheter, be sure to push it in 2-4 cm more to make sure the balloon can inflate fully INSIDE the bladder and not be partially stuck within your sphincter.

Using a smaller one is always a good idea for beginners, the amount going out by a constant dribble is next to nothing and will go through the smaller once without any kind of problem.

I'm happy to hear you had success, it should however not be painful at all, so try a smaller one, go in far enough before inflating it (you can always pull the inflated one back) and use plenty of lube.

>>60953

>and (arguably) reducing the chances of any kind of infection.

I'd expect it would massively reduce the chances of infection. The inner surface of the urethra is obviously designed to be very good at keeping itself sterile. The problem with a normal catheter is that the plastic tube has no such defenses. If the tube is well sealed then I'd expect the urethra to be perfectly capable of keeping any infectious organisms out.

One other thing I've often wondered about is the idea of using botox injections to temporarily paralyze the sphincter muscles. Injecting a nerve toxin into important parts of your body is probably a bad idea, but would it work in theory? Could you render yourself partially/fully incontinent in that way?

>>60790 (OP)

I used catheters quite extensively a few years ago. The longest I went catheterized was two weeks, the longest I kept the same catheter in was 72 hours.

Unless you make a hole like that other anon mentioned it is nothing like using a diaper normally. You won't feel it coming you will just feel you diaper getting slightly wetter over time.

I found it enjoyable to get distracted playing a game or watching a movie and standing up with a sagging diaper. Or just going about your daily business and sitting down with a squish. Also the going to bed dry and waking up soggy with no waking up in the middle.

My most memorable moment using them was when I needed to go on a long road trip for work. I underestimated the amount of changes I would need and ended up far from home totally soaked.

I bought some cheap ones from the nearest store and used them. I still leaked twice before I could make it home. I could have just removed the cath but wheres the fun in that.

If you are going to try them, make sure they are indwelling kind, the ones with an inflatable balloon. The ones like in your pic related are not meant to stay in the bladder and will move about causing discomfort and pain. In my experience the latex ones were the best. Silicone ones are just as good but cost nearly double. Plastic is shit and you should never use them, they are uncomfortable to the point of painful.

I took sterilization very seriously with sterile wipes, sterile lube and a sterile zone for everything. I never got a UTI so I must have done it right

Time for an unpopular opinion:

If you're using catheters for your fetish and don't have a medical reason for doing so, maybe you're taking this fetish too far.

And before anyone comes back with "Hurrrrr, but the same could be said of diapers" Catheters have a VERY HIGH risk factor of UTI and a very real risk of permanent damage, diapers have a low risk of UTI (at least for males) and no risk of permanent damage.

If you're willingly fucking up your body for this fetish, you're taking it too far.

>>61723

I honestly respect your opinion but have some facts.

UTI while possible is very much unlikely (when done in a correct and sterile manner almost negligible) and easily treatable. Especially seeing as we are using them for comparatively short periods of time when they can stay in way longer in practice. Time being the most relevant factor in UTIs and catheters (assuming it is done sterile).

This comes from someone who teaches demented old people who use them for years and change them on their own. Some don't even wash and sure as hell don't do it properly or sterile, yet they rarely come in with issues. The real problem arises in hospital settings due to more aggressive kinds of bacterias, where the fear of UTI is very much more real, but let's not get into that for now.

On the topic of permanent damage:

Permanent damage is almost 0%.

The inserting process is so harmless, it is advised if someone is capable of doing it themselves to only use one time catheters, multiple times a day for the rest of their lives, since there is so little that can go wrong when inserting it.

From an infection standpoint, little permanent damage can arise. If you choose to ignore it, even when shacking and in fever that is another story, but assuming you visit a doctor when you notice an infection that is no biggy at all. It is something that is happening regularly in doctors offices and will result in you taking some antibiotics for a short time.

On the topic of fucking up your body for your pleasure/fun:

I ride motorcycles, mountain bikes off road, go skiing, climbing, walking in the city around traffic and some more.

Compared to what we consider hobbies (even just sitting at your desk all day, which fucks you up big time), a catheter is so harmless it makes me smile thinking of it as a danger.

I can see however to the layman this seems like something intimidating and scary, when it really is not.

Just disinfect 3 times as much as advised (for good sake), and very strictly stick to the procedure and chances are you will never know what a UTI is.

Again I respect your opinion and some people don't do anything that might endanger their bodies subjecting them to actual harm, but a catheter is objectively harmless compared to the dangers of every day life.

If you've been intrigued by this thread like I was into trying this, I came across this very useful post on DD with a lot of stuff I wish I knew the first time:

>[..] foleys, if they are too small in diameter, get awkward to handle. I would suggest a CH16 (the French measure is sometimes shown as Charriere [after the guy who proposed it], abbreviated as CH, and sometimes as Fr, for French measure, 'cause Charriere was French, go figure…. Anyway, 1 CH equals 0.3mm, approximately 3/256 of an inch), which is not frightening, but not too wobbly to handle either. CH12 or CH14 are very soft and you end up trying to stuff a cooked spaghetti noodle into a hole; it might want to kink, and make the whole thing frustrating at your first attempt.

>You were asking about potential harm. First of all, don't worry. This procedure has been done for about 2000 years now, and is usually very harmless. There is something though, that SWet has not mentioned: when to inflate the blocker balloon. OK, when you are inserting the catheter make sure you have drunk at least 500 ml in the last hour. To be sure of the catheter's position you need urine in the bladder. I find it less messy if you attach the catheter bag before insertion, so get yourself one with a long hose. When you are laying down to insert, lift your penis quite vertical, that will straighten out the first few inches of your urethra. After passing an inch or so past your penis length you can point it forward again, whatever makes you feel comfortable. Now there will be a little bit of resistance and a weird feeling as you go through the prostate and the internal bladder sphincter. Relax, breathe out audibly, like blowing; similar to what the ladies do for breathing exercises when in labour. As soon as you see urine flowing, you know that the holes in the tip are in the bladder now. Please note: The balloon is situated behind these holes; you will have to go at least another inch further in before you can inflate. Inflating the balloon before it is inside the bladder is the only way of doing it wrong and causing potential harm by stressing something, so make sure you avoid that. Some people just push the whole length of the catheter in until the Y-part is up to the penis head. Inflate, and pull back until you will feel that the balloon stops you. There, all done. The first ml of liquid for inflation (using sterile water, of course, never air!) can be hard to get in, its like blowing up any kind of balloon; you can maker that a little easier if you inflate the balloon once before you use the catheter (something that is recommended anyway, to check the function of the valve and the integrity of the balloon) to pre-stretch it.

>For your first catheterisations you should probably stopper the end, or clamp it with a haemostat, 20 minutes before you take the catheter out; just to have some urine in the bladder. It will be a relief for you to see that you can still pee 'normally' *.

>When you take the catheter out, push it back in a very little bit before you deflate the balloon, and leave a tiny bit (<0.5ml) in the balloon. This stops the balloon from crumpling up and irritating the urethra while it comes out. There will be not much need for pulling, the tendency is for the catheter to come out anyway.

>During and after every catheterisation, drink a lot.

>I hope this helps a little.

>* Right, what "if"? Even professionals will tell you that sometimes there's a bit of bleeding. I personally have never had it with a foley (and I had quite some!), and only once with a Conveen Speedicath (a ready to use straight catheter for ISC) that had a bad hole with a rough edge. There wasn't even any pain involved, just a bit red over the next 2 or 3 urinations. This is not a problem, but if you still bleed after 6 hours, consult a doctor, maybe at the hospital's accidents and emergency department, tell them that you do intermittent self catheterisation and you must have scraped something and could they please have a look.

>Not that it will be totally dangerous, but it will put your mind at peace.

>Oh, and if anything hurts really bad, don't do it.

The problem I had was kidney stones twice when I used catheters

>>61723

>diapers have a low risk of UTI (at least for males)

Who keeps propagating this myth?

There has been zero evidence to support that diapers in any way shape or from increase the risk of UTIs in either gender,

>>62182

That is common medical knowledge.

Most UTIs are caused by the bacteria from your own body. The ones in your bowel to be exact.

Using a diaper either way makes the path from your anus to your front more easily reachable.

Also the reason women get more UTIs since the path from back to front is shorter, unlike males who have an extension attached.

Let me give you a hand:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=diaper+UTI+risk

>>62188

>common medical knowledge

The medical field is rather famous for not understanding correlation is not causation.

Yes if you look up those terms you get some studies lets look at the first one https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3446007/

Looking at babies and if more absorbent diapers increased the risk of UTIs and that is exactly what they found that by your child simply wearing a more absorbent diaper they automatically increased their risk of a UTI.

Now you may look at the data table and go, "Hey wait a minute! The babies that were changed sooner out of their messy diapers sooner had less UTIs" or the number of diapers used and go "Wait there were less diapers used on ave for the case group that had more UTIs that is evidence!"

The p-values show there is literally no connection to either either statement, this study can only conclude if you stick one baby in huggies and the other in bargain brand the huggies baby now has an increased risk of UTIs just because of its parents choice in diapers.

Well we aren't exactly babies now are we, we should look at data on adults with adult diapers, and you may come across this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20631404

This study was actually addressing another factor regarding pad weight measurements but they still find time tho conclude that by wearing diapers you increase your risk of UTIs but once again the subject pool selected isn't one where you can make that claim.

Their pool is basically comparing inherently incontinent adults that need pads to continent adults that don't.

Now it is actually well known that being incontinent does increase your risk of UTIs due to the incomplete voiding associated, but this study funny enough found that even if you change someone continuously and have them almost always in a dry diaper you dont decrease their risk of UTIs. You may think of this as somewhat strange.

You are correct that women do have an increased risk of UTIs compared to men but the biggest risk factors for developing a UTI in women were found to be menses and decreased ability to void secondary to other urogenital factors such as during pregnancy or postpartum.

I had this idea of wearing a little timer, a pump, and a source of liquid (maybe with a rasberry pi).

At random intervals, it would pump liquid through the tube, which would go directly into a diaper.

I figured it would be a fun way to go to bed, in a diaper and have it simulate wetting the bed. Maybe even do it with water without a diaper to simulate wetting the bed without protection, but be safe because it's just water.

If there was a way to keep it warm, that would be a plus too. If you were just sitting at your computer or something, it wouldn't be to difficult to wear. Moving around with it would be pretty much impossible, or just hard, but could be set up.

Basically similar fun to a catheter without risking anything.

It might be able to fit in a fanny pack too.

What do you guys think?

I think it would be a really nice way to do bedwetting at the least.

>>62325

This could have some interesting applications… I really like the idea. I could see a container with some sort of heating element to keep the water warm. You could probably control something like that with an arduino, wouldnt even need a pi. It would make it cheaper and reduce power consumption somewhat. Another idea would be to reduce any noise from the pump. You could have compressed air in the top of the water tank and it would force the water out the bottom silently. You would just need to have a controllable valve.

What would happen if you'd orgasm with a catheter?

>>62325

That would definitely be doable. >>62433 has good ideas. You could use a thermoelectric heat pump to efficiently keep a container of fake pee warm, or even just a modified thermos flask.

You could even link it up to a phone, smart watch, or egg vibrator to act as a potty alarm. Wear it under your clothes (diaper optional), and have the attached device vibrate to give you a warning 30 seconds before you have your "accident". Potty training like that could be a fun game.

Another thing I'd like to see would be a way to remote control an electronic padlock used to prevent removal of clothing/diapers. Electronic locks exist, but they tend to be very bulky. It would be nice to have something smaller which could be used either for automated self-bondage or remotely by a partner.

In fact, here's a crazy idea:

Take a conventional catheter, but rather than just letting it empty into your diaper, connect it to a small electronic valve. Connect the other end of the valve into a second tube which runs back up your urethra parallel to the first but stops short of your sphincter. When the valve is closed you can control your pee normally, but when it opens you have the sensation of helplessly peeing without control (as described in >>60953).

>>62440

>>62433

honestly, if you're using it only for bedwetting, then you don't really need it above room temperature.

Heating is pretty much a bonus. If anyone considers trying this (I'll look into it) leave heating as a nice-to-have improvement.

Also if anyone does it, post a guide

Medical Anon, if you're still here:

Think you could possibly point me towards a decent foley (and possibly cath kit) off US Amazon? I've tried looking a few times in the past, and I always just end up getting confused.

>>63309

pick one and go, fr16 is an average size to start with, then you can go smaller or larger depending on the diameter of your urethra

https://www.southwestmedical.com/Urinary-Catheters-Kits/Foley-Catheters/505c0

>>62437

bumping for answer

>>65184

Yeah, US amazon doesn't seem to have any full on kits; Or rather, require you get the foley elsewhere or have a license to order it.

Either way, I'll keep that all in mind, thanks!

TLDR don't do this

>Bought Catheter from online medical store

>Try it at home

>hurts fucking bad (real fucking bad)

>few days later

>trouble peeing, blood in urine

>End up with UTI (Urinary Tract infection)

>Go to doctor, get prescribed meds for it

>Never do it again

Your experience puzzle me.

I teach this to arthritic, demented people who have to do this multiple times a day to empty their bladder at home.

I use catheters every day, and send people home to come back in 5 days for a checkup if they have problems urinating and very few get a UTI with the same catheter in throughout those 5 days. Especially outside the hospital with less troublesome germs that is a none issue.

To avoid what happened to you:

If it hurts do not go on. Pushing past the pain and harming the tissue of course puts you at far greater risk of an infection.

Your body is a good guideline, if it hurts:

stop immediately, pull it back a bit and very slowly try again.

If I can teach it to old people who do it multiple times a day, you guys should also be able to get it done.

Follow a youtube guide step by step, go slow, if it hurts pull back, do not push on.

>>65598

I assume you bought a kit with lube, numbing solution, disinfectant and all that right? Or did you as you described actually go in without all that?

>>65611

>posts image of medical incident with balloon catheter

>everyone here is discussing a straight catheter

If you get a closed system cath and aren't retarded the likelihood of a UTI is nearly non-existent.

If you want some good horror stories look up the amazing levels of negligence performed by nurses trying to remove balloon catheters.