/abdl/ - Adult Baby - Diaper Lover★

>>42793 (OP)

Did you take a wrong turn at Albuquerque?

How do you initially introduce your fetish to whoever you're dating?

Pics or didn't happen.

>>42802

Fuck man you've travelled a long way up a bad road.

I'm assuming you have fantasies and a history like most of us. i.e. ab or dl, no child abuse growing up, fetishistic attachment to diapers. So you're looking at a DD/lg relationship as a way of seeing your girl in a diaper. And I'm guessing you are the one who wants to be diapered (if you'll admit this to yourself) but you think it's impossible to find a girl to do this with, so you've reached this bargain in your mind where you'll get off by proxy/vicariously?

Shit, we've all been there.

Damn, why would you even want to get into a DD/lg relationship? Fuck, I was in one for a year and it marked one of the lowest points of my dating life.

Let me tell you. In my experience, most (not all - I've met one LG who's an exception - but I've met 10-15 in real life and seen the other spastic LGs online) LGs are a pain in the fucking ass.

They have emotional issues that consume them. They embody all the worst aspects of femininity - neediness, attention-seeking, drama-manufacturing, manipulation.

Fuck, they are so manipulative. They get into your head and make you view them as a vulnerable child but then they take more and more and more of your energy and life and you want to leave them but then it feel like you're abandoning a child.

As a man, you must never enter a relationship where you cannot easily leave during the time it takes to get to know somebody. You'll end up ignoring the red flags in LGs especially because you got your rocks off so much with the diapers and fantasy shit. Those red flags will come back and she'll pitch them in your soul.

If you still want to mutilate your soul, and become a daddy dom, that's your call. Maybe learning first hand is what you need. Maybe you'll find happiness there. I sure as fuck won't and I know the misery other DDs are in. They're trapped between using the LG for sexual object purposes and all the time in-between is hell. And all the time in-between is 100s of times longer than the enjoyable shit.

Your question relates to vanilla sex and not getting hard without the fetish.

Unless you're spergy, etc, this happens when you've been plugged into the online world for too long. You've trained your brain to get off to only this fetish.

I was in this boat. I was shit at sex. Had a tiny number of sexual partners up until my late 20s (I'm 35 now). Because I fapped so much, I couldn't ejaculate during sex. I was wooden and there was no intimacy during sex. The sexual side of the relationships suffered and things overall eventually fell apart.

Became so disgusted with myself that I quit porn. Slowly my vanilla sexuality came back. I'm now about 60/40 diapers/vanilla. I was 100% diapers. I have intimate sex and connect with the girls. The real joy comes when you're with a girl and she knows about your diaper stuff and you look into her eyes as you're thrusting her and think to yourself, "this girl is sexy and she accepts me, diapers and all". It's a truly amazing feeling.

>>42809

>>42810

Thanks for trying to help. I guess I didn't give you all the information, so it's not surprising your advice isn't really applicable. My sexuality is pretty much as fucked up as it is possible to be, and it has been that way for as long as I can remember - long before I knew what porn was. Suffice it to say that you probably wouldn't recognize my sexuality as a legitimate sexuality - Heterosexual is just the closest approximation out of the standard options.

To be fair, I agree with your concerns over DD/lg relationships. Honestly I'm torn between that and just living the rest of my life as a bachelor. I figure I might as well try to explore some options before I die. Any kind of relationship possible in the present day is ultimately a compromise for me, so I don't have much to lose.

I don't think trying to meet girls in the real world is the way to go though. The chances of any random girl on the street being attractive to me, willing to forgo sex, and open to trying weird fetishes are 1/1000 at best. I was more looking for tips on ways to narrow the search down.

>>42810

This is more a general question about meeting girls. I'm 21 and in my last year of college. I'm 6'1 with an athletic build. Despite this, I've only had 1 girlfriend in my whole life and she is still the only one I've had sex with, and we broke up in January. I seem to have a problem knowing how to approach girls or what to say when I do. It always seems awkward or forced. I've read some stuff online about how to do it but some of it is such bad advice that I actually want to vomit by the end. I'm so tired of hearing "just grow a pair and talk to her" because for some of us it's not that simple. I don't want to seem creepy or like I'm just trying to get her in bed (which I'm not).

So the bottom line is this: How do I know whether I should approach a girl whom I've never met before, and how do I go about doing so?

>>42813

My question is similar to this guy, except I recently turned 27 and i feel like I'm missing out because my 20's are passing me by. I've only had 2 girlfriends in my life, and the total number of girls I've had sex with in my life is 3.

I want to build a better social life and meet more girls, away from dating apps and stuff like that too. But I really have no idea how to just meet girls naturally. I see videos online of guys doing "pick up" challenges where they go talk to random girls on the street, and it's really impressive when it works, but most of the time that sort of thing just seems insane to me.

Where do you go and what do you do to just meet normal girls? Also, do you have any dating advice in general? Apart from ABDL?

And since I want to ask at least something related to this topic. Have there been times where you pushed it farther and got girls into actually using their diapers (wetting or messing) also, you say ocasionally you turned girls onto this. My fantasy is to have a girlfriend who is diapered 24/7. Maybe not all the time. But ocasionally she would go days or something only wearing diapers with me changing her. Have you gotten any girls that far? Also, it sounds like the AB side of your ABDL desires have kind died off. Are you not into girls playing like babies or doing that yourself?

>>42813

>>42814

I'm not the OP, but I'm in a committed relationship where my boyfriend wears diapers basically every day (I'm bi btw) so I can give some advice on this.

When the OP talks about talking to girls, the key is confidence. Same for guys. That pick up artist shit will get you specific types of girls who are interested in getting picked up. That's fine if you want to just have sex with random girls I guess, but most of the time you're not being your true self, so it won't evolve into a more meaningful relationship. And that's what you should be striving for, I think.

When you're talking with someone and you're interested in them, you just have to be yourself but be confident. Make a joke. Just swallow your pride and don't worry about making an idiot out of yourself.

As for where to meet people, you can meet them anywhere. My boyfriend and I met on fetlife and hit it off, but we had probably messaged 30+ people before we found each other. There's no shame in using Tinder. But you can find girls literally anywhere. Just keep an eye out when you're in public for interactions with girls that you find interesting. It's just like making friends: you gotta be in the right place at the right time and talk to them.

As for worrying about being creepy: don't worry about it. The fact that you're concerned about sounding creepy means that you're not likely to say something creepy. Creepiness comes from overconfidence or obliviousness.

Also the concern that dudes always have is getting "friendzoned." Well, guess what, friends are good to have and you can rarely have too many. If you end up making a friend instead of a girlfriend, it's not the end of the world. Consider this: girls have other friends. Now that you have a girl as a friend, you can meet her friends, which opens up the possibility of other girls you can try going out with.

>>42814

In regards to "how do you get girls into diapers," I got my girlfriend in high school into diapers. She's actually married now to a guy who did ABDL art that she met through joining the community.

The big thing is to get a good sense of who they are and what they like first. The nice thing about diapers versus other kinks is that they combine nicely with a variety of kinks. I'd recommend talking about it early in the relationship though, since ideally its something you'd want established soon.

If they have interest in DDLG stuff, then it's super simple to transition it into diapers. If they're into BDSM or spanking, then it's the same. You just say "hey, the next time we do this, I'd like to try adding something that I like, I think it'd be fun." Otherwise, what OP was saying about just confidently admitting that you like diapers is true and it's the best way to proceed. Framing it in the context of something shameful will make them think that it IS shameful. Think about your friend recommending you a movie. They start out with "look, the movie sucks, but you should watch it." That's not exactly a glowing recommendation.

Now, as for getting them to use diapers or getting them to wear more often, it just comes with them wearing more. To be honest, most people who try on diapers and wet them are going to enjoy it since it's a warm sensation against the private parts. Introducing diapers as an aspect of relaxation makes it less of a "wear this to make me turned on" and more of a "I wear these to unwind" thing, which means more mundane wearing.

>>42814

I've covered most of your question above with 42813 but some things I didn't:

I meet girls in a mixture of places. You've got to put some structure on it. You've got:

1) Your daily life. Get into a big town or city. Get abroad and travel. Be careful about meeting girls at your workplace. You need to be around volume because "it's a numbers game".

2) Online. Tinder, etc. Learn about strategies that work for getting success online. Get good pictures taken by a professional. It's not too expensive and they now specialise in taking pics for online profiles. Be prepared to put in time for this.

3) Social circle. How many friends and acquaintances have you got? How cool are you? i.e. do you do interesting things? Be an interesting man. You will meet girls way easier if you have cool friends.

4) Attract them into your life with your appearance and charisma. Go to the gym and gain a tight body. Don't question this or complain. It works. It worked for me and it has worked for countless others. Muscles, big or better than normal signal testosterone and discipline to girls. Other men respect you more. The exercise makes you feel good.

If this seems like a lot of work to do, then understand that nothing good in life comes without work. It is like a law of living. But think of it this way. Imagine yourself in a year's time after your work is beginning to pay off and you're looking back on today. Would you start working now if it got you to where you will be then? DAMN STRAIGHT YOU WILL.

Dating advice, see above.

Re. getting girls to use their diapers. Yes, they do as I want them. Of course I goad them gently to start with. "it's so great you don't have to get up in the middle of the night" (more positive association). I'm not into poop but I have no doubt it would work for this also. It's all about how you perceive it and present it to them. This is the golden lesson. You influence their perception with yours.

As per above, porn can make your fantasies get carried away. If you take a break from porn (3 to 6 months minimum) and still have the same fantasies then try it with her. Start small. Tell her you'd find it so hot to dominate her by keeping her diapered.

I'm not interested in something like that personally. I wouldn't have the effort to do that for her! Maybe I'm too selfish! Nah, if you want to experience it, go for it. Sometimes when we do our fantasies in real life, it turns out to be not enjoyable. I once had a threesome with two girls, both diapered and it was more awkward than enjoyable. Crazy to say it, I know but that's life for you.

The AB desires have most definitely waned. But I think I'm mainly just a DL. The porn brought out the AB side more than it is actually a real part of me. I find the baby stuff kind of cringeworthy and annoying. Too needy for me. When I'm fucking my girlfriend and at the end and ready to cum she'll say "good boy, come for mommy" and things like this. That's the limit of the AB stuff, although I like to suck on her tits and stuff also, but that could happen in any vanilla relationship.

Pic related to our great fetish!

>>42805

Great advice man just one more question. When it comes time to diaper her does it matter what diaper I choose? Should I just get a store brand so she isn't weirded out by an ab diaper, get a better quality diaper that isn't an, or just go ahead and put her in an ab diaper since those have the best quality?

>>42832

That's what I thought just thought I'd confirm. I'll put her in a molicare or an Abena then and maybe a dc amor if they bring the original back since she'll most likely be into anime anyway and is the least babyish of all ab diapers.

>>42832

Actually I just thought of another thing. How long should I wait until I start playing desperation games with her?

>>42826

So going back to approaching a girl, let me paint a picture for you.

I'm in a ballet class with many girls. One in particular has caught my interest. We've been talking for a couple weeks and we have some things in common, including a medical career path and a history in gymnastics. So when I see her this week, should I ask if she wants to go on a date? If so, how should I ask?

One more scenario I'd like to set up is with a hypothetical girl I've never met. Let's say I'm sitting in my uni's dining area and there's a group of girls sitting and talking at a table, and one of them catches my interest. Should I go up and introduce myself to them? What do I say when I do? Do I ask to sit with them?

I just have a hard time figuring out what is acceptable and what is not (in a non-extreme sense; e.g. I'm not gonna just grab a random girl's ass). If I see a pretty girl, do I just go for it?

>>42820

>read day bang by roosh.

You could just as well read the Elliot Rodger manifesto.

>>42806

>Your sexual compass gets totally fucked up.

That's so fucking true, dude.

Like, I also have many fetishes (aside infantilism, I enjoy very much like transformation/body swap fetish, like, imaging an adult man waking up in the body of a little girl and being treated as nothing but a child). And, oftentimes, I end up searching for weirder and weirder things.

But going back on the subject, that's the price that we pay when… basically the main sexual pleasure object it's not another person (in itself), but more an idea/fantasy.

Like, if your fantasy is BEING a baby.. well, babies have fathers, being diapered by their fathers is a completely normal part of the experience of being a baby.

This reminds me of another thing,I think we can trace a pretty parallel with the whole "autogynephilia" (which is basically a fetish in which a guy, a straight guy, gets excited with idea of BEING a woman, like of wearing clothes, of acting as woman, and being treated as a woman, and so on).

Which ends up, sometimes, fucking his sexual orientation, since… well… being a woman (usually) means to date men and to be attracted to men. So, these people end up being attracted to men, not exactly because they like men, but because such thing validates their fantasy and status of BEING a woman.

(Not saying that is the same thing, I just think we can trace parallels between both.

Oh, also, soooo cute your story of you and your daddy, I just love. It definitely made me wanting to experience a little bit the idea of how must be… being, like a little boy from daddy ◕‿◕

>Turned vanilla gf into a full on mommy

Talk more about this. How did you do it?

I think you make a lot of good points, and I'm glad that it appears you're in a good place with good relationships, but can I ask when you decided to make this change in your life and what spurred it on? Was it just a self-revulsion in masturbating alone, or a deep desire for a lover?

You said late 20s but when specifically? I'm 26, I'm not a virgin, I had a few long-term relationships, but in the past 4 years since college I've been completely absent from heterosexual sex. I'm still confused about my sexuality in fact. I had a few flings with guys, some of which were more rewarding and fulfilling than others, so I think I'm bi, but I think I can only feel fulfilled as a person with a woman, and the chances of that happening are lower and lower everyday. I've gone to the gym more in the past year but I think I could definitely spend more time there so I know I could do more to improve myself.

I guess the big problem for me is I've never been attracted to vanilla sex. I think this is probably caused by porn use from a young age but I don't ever remember getting off to vanilla sex. Everything I jerk off to is diapers, gay stuff or lesbian stuff. So subsequently, I really don't have that sexual impulse to pursue women, even though I have the deep emotional desire to be in a fulfilling relationship with one. I suppose I should try nofap but the few times I've done that I just get more and more turned on by diapers. I start obsessing over them. I get more turned on by women too but it just makes me completely crazy about diapers.

I don't know. I'm just not in a great place emotionally and I realize that it probably has a lot to do with the laziness to improve myself and the complacency that I have fallen into as a loner. How do you even meet girls without friends to go out with? I can only go out on weekdays due to my schedule and none of my friends can go out with me, do guys really still go to bars by themselves and pick up random girls?

>>42870

For someone to whom seducing is a day job and is quite good looking, roosh sucks with women. Even when his techniques do work, it alienates you from what you truly desire, roosh being the perfect example of this, he's incapable of love because he is incapable of seeing other people as anything other than technicalities, fleshlights with a codelock.

>>42851

It's all about positive reinforcement and bringing value to the relationship.

Become an attractive man. Get your life in order. Stop relying on porn for your sexual life. You don't have to be the apex alpha to be good enough to get what you need.

(I'm not saying this applies to you, but I'm addressing the wider board and also my own old self)

I got to the point where I became less dependent on porn. I starting having sex with the best girls I could muster for my own then status and appearance. I became better at sex and more confident as I broke through old fears and hang ups. I pushed myself consistently in small ways.

I defintiely adopted a "can-do" attitude. Most of that shit is corny as fuck but the weird think is that it works. You have to have "faith".

I immersed myself in Game and learned as much as I could. It teaches you the hard truth about women and about what you need to do as a man. You go through an anger and denial phase but you get to the point of acceptance then and you relasie that you have everything you need inside you to get what you want in life. It's a sweet moment.

You have to build yourself as a man before you can influence others. I keep saying, but there's no quick fix. But the work is worth the reward. Damn it is so worth it. And then the work becomes so enjoyable because you reinvesting into an asset that appreciates on a daily basis. Cut down on alcohol, sugar, drugs, porn - all these things retard you as a man. They slow you and weigh you down. Read Allen Carr to help with quitting these. Read no more mr nice guy to help with you beta/gamma/omega mindset. Read "Breaking the Cycle: Free Yourself from Sex Addiction, Porn Obsession, and Shame." You can get these on amazon.

Where am I going with all this?

As my self outside my fetish became solid, my ability to realise my fetish and true fantasies got springboarded. My ability to persuade girls increased dramatically and I learned how to get what I want in a healthy, manly way.

More specifically:

Start slow. Be honest, but don't give everything away. Be totally confident in what you say, at all times, and act like what you're saying is totally normal.

Start with diapers. Go slow. Get her used to it for a few weeks.

Talk about how great it is to wet the diaper then. Casually mention it like "you have to try it some time, it's such a pleasurable feeling". But no pressure. Next time she needs to pee and you're chilling on the couch or whatever, playfully hold her and say "nah, ah, you are going to use that diaper young lady", or something. Say it as a joke but still hold her. Goad her if necessary. Make her feel safe and not judged. If she still won't give it a few days and then ask her directly why she doesn't want to. Find out the reason. But I've never had this happen with me.

Going forward, share your fantasies with her. You want to let her know that you're sharing them because you want her to know you like no other woman knows you. You want her to be "that girl" for you, who has a level of intimacy with you that no other girl does. She will feel priviledged because of this. Make her think she has earned the right to know your secrets. Make her think your sexual world revolves around her (which it will when she becomes the embodiment of your fantasies).

>>42892

"We don't know if there is such a thing as behavioral addiction, we don't know if it works the same way, there's currently no evidence either way, but here are some alternate explanations that also have no evidence or research backing." How revelatory.

>>42884

I was into for a few months, it did work -not so much roosh techniques but me making an effort to actively seduce and be want girls want a guy to be- but it made me feel like my own hand puppet, which is exhausting, turns me into something I don't want to be and makes the girls I want fall for something I am not.

>>42892

I've definitely gained new fetishes due to porn, the base might have been there, but I've had no fantasies about them before I got into them due them being mixed in with the porn I was already watching.

>>42895

My thoughts exactly, that is one wall of cognitive dissonance.

So I've been dating my gf for five years. I told her maybe 8 months in handled it pretty ok. She's a super horny person, we have a very active sex life, but can be kind of retentive about certain things. We probably wear diapers once a month. It usually goes over the best when we talk about it a day or two in advance, and I bring my A game for the sex.

We have hit some road blocks that I'd like to overcome. I really want to start calling her mommy when she's the dom, and her call me daddy when I'm the dom.

I want to pee in our diapers. This is a case where she's really retentive, and a clean freak. I'm definitely ok with not messing, but I just wish we could wet our diaper.

Next thing is I'd like to do a little exhibition. Nothing extreme or dangerous. Wearing diapers for a road trip, or maybe going hiking padded.

Lastly I'd like to incorporate some humiliation in when she's the dom.

Thank you very much for your help : )

>>42899

>I've definitely gained new fetishes due to porn, the base might have been there, but I've had no fantasies about them before I got into them due them being mixed in with the porn I was already watching.

The base was definitely there already. I've "gained" lots of new fetishes, but when I really break them down into their emotional and sensory components I find that they are just alternate ways of stimulating my existing fetishes. Also in every case the particular fetishes I've discovered through porn have been more vanilla than the ones I've known about since I was a child. For instance, omorashi is remarkably similar in most ways to forced orgasms and orgasm denial which are themselves closely tied in with bondage.

On the flip side, I've never found myself attracted to entirely new fetishes which don't contain the same basic components as my existing fetishes. I can't begin to count the number of times I've looked at porn involving scat, pee-drinking, torture, and many other extreme fetishes, but I haven't acquired those fetishes because I was never and will never be aroused by the emotions and sensations which they evoke.

Hell, if fapping to porn could change your basic sexual preferences I should be into vanilla by now given how many doujins I've read which start with two pages of diaper stuff and then have the remaining 24 pages full of vanilla sex.

>>42898

>How could pron be good for you? What kind of men are those that spend a lot of time watching porn? Are they more likely to be successful or reclusive?

I think you're looking at it backwards. I'd bet good money that in the overwhelming majority of cases mental health problems precede excessive porn use. In fact, the same is generally true of substance abuse. They've demonstrated it experimentally in rats (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park ), and there's plenty of anecdotal evidence among humans. Depression causes addiction, and removing the causes of the depression cures the addiction.

Not even looking for advice now, just curious for OP.

When you say you turned other girls onto wearing do you mean you got otherwise vanilla girls to be enthusiastic and appreciative of the fetish?

If so, that's awesome. That's my eventual goal.

NoFap cult is no different than any other weird philosophical fad. Might as well become a MGTOW.

Please just post sexy stuff. Thanks.

>>42908

>Depression causes addiction, and removing the causes of the depression cures the addiction.

Pretty much. Mental disorders causes people to self medicate. This is widely known in psychiatric associations.

Take ADD for example. A highly heritable disorder that has more studies and research for it than any other disorder in existence. Dopamine is responsible for so much. One of which is the ability to feel pleasure. It becomes obvious if their dopamine production is inherently dysfunctional, that they will try to get back what they are missing. It's only human to want pleasure. If you aren't getting what you need to function, you seek it out in drugs.

>>42921

>just bee yourself

>PUAs are bad

>talking to girls

I think it's you who should be going back to reddit. I bet you don't even have a waifu.

>>42922

It's Noa from patlabor. Also I usually go for petite asian girls anyway

>>42930

At least OP was posting porn pics to go along with his posts.

>>42943

kys faggot

>>42943

I know so many successful men who regularly masturbate and talk about masturbation constantly.

Look, if no fap works for you, go for it, but to pretend that stopping masturbation habits will "better help us defend Christian lands" makes me think you need to fuck off back to /pol/ and I'm a /pol/tard myself. Maybe men are turning to porn more often because the roasties are making it impossible for men below 8/10 to get laid on dating apps. Men need sex and there are a certain amount of men who simply can't get it, either through social isolation or some other factor, and if they feel they need to masturbate to get off then i don't see the issue.

>>43018

Honestly the whole nofap thing is superstitious puritanism

>being successful is hard

>not fapping is hard

>ergo they're related

>>43018

You can simultaneously fap and get sex, however, if you aren't getting sex, not fapping will force you into a scenario in which you will change yourself until you are a decent enough person to copulate with which was honestly the goal, right?

Fapping doesn't preclude being an acceptable mate but it provides a crutch for those who aren't acceptable mates to stay that way.

>>43034

I definitely think there's benefits to not masturbating, but I think treating masturbating as the biggest problem in someone's life is nonsensical. I think noFap can just help someone who has become complacent in fapping to force them out to try to find someone.

But I'm a lot more fucked up than just my fapping

>>42805

Wait, are you people actually believing this fucking moron? lol.

>>42870

Random talk: I just love her gaze

>>43054 here again.. About 12:00 PM on the day of the date and still no text from her. I won't be heartbroken if she doesn't text, but I guess that would mean she's not interested. It's gonna be an awkward ballet class if she blows me off…

>>43107

Girls flake like crazy in general. Although I don't know why you gave her your number rather than you contacting her.

>>43119

Idk it wasn't the best move on my part. But still, I figured she would've texted me. Could just be a misunderstanding. I'll talk to her next class to see what's up and go from there. Worst case, she's not interested.

>>42806

hey i have a question for you. im not the person who asked the question first but i am sorta like them. i've never been into vanilla. while i do agree with the thing about how porn can radically change your tastes, the thing is that i've never been into vannilla. so what can be done in my case.

>>44028

You can't if porn caused it then it's a kink if it just happened and you can't change it it's a fetish

>>43129 again, just saw this thread pop up so thought I'd update.

I finally got her number, but when I texted her she didn't respond. Best to assume she's not interested and move on, I guess.

Tried talking to a different girl but she revealed in-convo that she's got a boyfriend. So that won't work.

Trying to find a girl is tough.

>>44031

but can i still turn vanilla girls abdl if i cant ever enjoy vanilla

>>44049

>>44380

If you read the earlier parts of the thread you'll see that's the entire point of the thread

>>44381

I got my very vanilla gf into it

Feelsgoodman

>>44541

That guy has a great sense of aesthetic.

>>42793 (OP)

Thoughts on people who want to wear 24/7, and date vanilla women? This would be a give away much sooner and scare away more women, but I've dabbled in the idea of wearing 24/7, but usually think that it would reduce my dating life.

>>44747

No, anon. I'm abdl, and I wouldn't wanna date a guy who was into wearing 24/7.

>>42793 (OP)

Im currently working a vanilla girl into this, Ive gotten her really into bdsm but haven brought up diapers yet. leading into it currently and probably will have her wear a strap on paci next then a diaper

did you just bring it straight up or how did you get the girls your with to wear?