/agdg/ - Amateur Game Development General

Ok, I might make an mmo, just so I can create lots of content.

>>28436

I mean why do you want us to play?

do you need QA testers? looking for feedback? is the game almost done and you just want people to play it?

if you don't explicitly ask for help, people aren't going to spend the effort to play a half finished game looking for bugs and then writing up a report.

and also why should we play?

making your game appealing is just as important as making it fun. you have more leeway on a game dev board but you still only get a glance or two before the post is disregarded indefinitely. should be spending the few sentences you have of someone's attention explaining the game's potential and why it's exiting instead of how it isn't finished.

congrats on having something presentable though, more than what most people can put together. what engines tools are you making it with?

>>28444

He wants you to play his shit game so he can spread his virus around

>>28444

I'm not an advertiser, but a dev. Maybe I shouldn't have said "please play my game" but still it is playable. In this community we usually play each other's games and give reviews and suggestions, I think, and that's what I was expecting.

>>28502

>I'm not an advertiser, but a dev

as long as you're a solo dev, you're stuck with all of the jobs. and it's a little counter intuitive but proper marketing can be about as important to the game play as the art or story. as least brush up on communication skills if you're going to write a dev blog.

>In this community we usually play each others games and give reviews and suggestions

It looks like you're just trying to copy the frame work of tibia, which is fine, but that's all it is. with no other players and no objective all I can do is click around and make sure all the buttons work. there isn't a game here to review and I don't think people here are interested in designing other people's games. making progress is fantastic, you're just not at the point to be taking game play feedback yet.

>>28514

If you want procgen, just read up on (perlin) noise, midpoint displacement, etc. You need to know about fractals, but it's really not all that hard.

It's just about writing patterns most likely to result in something desirable and having an algorithm to determine whether some result is garbage, in which case you chug it.

>>28515

He stated multiple times how he can't be bothered to learn about source control and some people actually rewrote the rendering code for him, which was a huge bottleneck. They sped it up considerably, but he said he doesn't understand the code anymore.

So yes, he really isn't a good programmer and DF is supposed to be hell to work on, but he just has this autistic dedication.

>>28501

It really doesn't. Tarn doesn't have Computer Science background and the guy writing URR only has like psychology background. What you need is dedication and patience.

>>28650

That's like saying you don't need to be educated as a carpenter to build a house. Technically you don't, anyone can lean four walls against each other and put sheet metal over it. But if you want something reliable and doesn't take ten times longer to build than it should, then learning the theory and tools available to programmers is going to save time in the long run.

Also the first two years of CS are not that difficult for anyone already computer literate. The free online tutorials that teach game programming cover most of the same stuff and can be plowed through in a few months.

>>28478

you need to study procedural generation

there are many different well documented ways of generating stuff like terrain, but for more specific stuff like items and NPCs you might have to make your own algorithms

>>28514

>>28511

>people unirocally saying "drumpf" and voting on aleppoman

NOPE

>>27174

Thanks anon.

>>27174

dead

wowee both the links are gone (｡•́︿•̀｡)

>>28492

Sad.

>>28338

I agree. That's why people should stop trying to vomit the whole thing all at once and instead work in increments, doing the groundwork for the people that will come later.

That's how SS13 got 1000+ ways to grief other players anyway.

>>28323

he a good boy he just need mo freedomlessness fo his developmentment

>>28333

>And don't get me started with the faggots at SS14, trying to build the engine from the ground up when there's literaly no need to do so

So you're saying that those guys didn't just fork the source code of that SA-made SS13 remake (which was later canned to do work on fucking Starbound) and then build on top of that?

jesus christ

>>28286

Let this be a lesson for the next time you get a "I-I'm not FLOSSing it... I have it have it all to myself... the thought of other people working on it give me nightmares... w-wait don't leave me I promise I'll FLOSS it when I give up on it!" faggot coming by.

>>28468

>programmer

>experienced with HTML5

>programmer

>JS/SocketIO and hopefully phaser.io

> Non-programmer

> Wants to dictate programming environment

> Nope

> Nope Nope Nope

> Nope

>>28469

>nodev doesn't understand how the real world works

>doesn't understand that the Producer sets the standards for everything

>doesn't understand that when money is involved your personal preferences are out the window

>>28468

Good luck OP, if you're going to spend $1,000 I'd recommend contracting a programmer rather than any sort of partnership, there are tons of websites with for hire freelance programmers

>>28470

>>28468

OP's post doesn't have enough detail to make any of these assumptions, not to mention it has nothing appealing to any potential hires

and $1000 won't buy a meaningful amount of work from a freelance progmrammer. I'd assume the money would be for stuff like art assets and business expenses.

If you looking for a partner you're better off finding someone local at a college or game jam or something. Keeping moral up is a major benefit to those relationships and it's a lot harder to let someone down when you know them in person. A Complementary skillset could also be more useful than two programmers, but I don't know what the game is.

I can keep blowing business advice out of my ass, but there isn't much to go on. A 1k budget could mean you're bootstrapping but this could also just be a hobby project, etc.

but blueprints was made specifically for retards like you

>to dumb for blueprint

wew

Look for Tesla Dev. His tutorials are idiotproof, although some techniques may be outdated, it's a good start.

>>28186

Look, if you're the programmer and the scenario designer and most everybody, and your game is tightly coupled to its engine: no. There is no point in programming in a debugger if you are just going to debug issues by running the game in a program debugger. The debugger is important when you want a clean separation between your engine and your game content (which is something that you definitely want if other people are using the engine to produce content: they need a mode to determine if the problem is their content or the engine).

>>28311

>This is the fucking worst. Never do this. All you're doing is taking functionality out of your end product - you're not even doing something like locking it behind a paywall; you're just taking it out and never, ever letting anyone have it just to spite them.

The main reason I brought up disabling the console is because it's the norm with vidya today to completely disable the console when the game releases.

>>28410

But can't you re-enable it my editing some config file?

>>28410

Do you intend to follow every other horrible, brainless trend of modern 'AAA' videogame design as well?

>>28410

>other people do it so I will too

I will never understand why people think this way. Only do it if you personally believe it's a good idea, have reasons to back that idea up, and there isn't a better idea. This applies to everything.

I'd like to work on algorithms/physics systems/AI for a cool game. The nitty-gritty of graphics can be fun, but it's a bit of a chore sometimes... making cool things happen in a framework, though? That, I like.

Too bad that's everyone's dream job, and the nitty-gritty graphics (or rather, corporate management software) is a better career choice.

Hence why I want to go into research, and program my own FOSS research-aiding programs to be a cool science dude.

The game would be an FPS with a heavy focus on movement and survival. The premise is: Big black/pretty colours void with Islands and bridges made of interlocking geometric shapes; graphics style is a bit low-res because lol A E S T H E T I C. The player is fighting a guerilla war against an army of robot drone enemies of different types, but the army is controlled by an AI and the enemies the player finds aren't just randomly spawned in; rather, the game tracks 'squads' the AI maneuvers on the 'strategic level' of the game map. When the player goes into render distance of a squad, the enemies listed in that squads' data are spawned in. If the player kills some enemies, and then goes out of render range, the squad's current state is stored and it keeps moving in the strategic view, as directed by the AI. It can also report back what it sees, ie where the player is, so more squads can find them. The AI is trying to kill the player and destroy things useful to them, so they move squads to that effect; the player takes control of AI-controlled structures like watch towers, but this actually has a use, as being able to know where the AI forces are and how they're moving is vital.

Basically, Dark Souls meets AI WAR meets TRON meets FPS.

The one I want to end up making after which I'd stop.

No clear idea on the mechanics beyond basic stealth gameplay, but the plot's sort of emerging.

So far it boils down to being tasked to infiltrate an underground research facility in Ukraine to rescue the president's wife, her sons, and a couple of diplomats. You're tasked by the Pentagon with rescuing the wife as a top priority, the diplomats as secondary.

The entire thing takes place within the backdrop of the Ukraine conflict and plays on factions internally divided and at war with each other, and a lot of the detail is left solely to shit like lore, so the player can play the game and not read a novel.

The end premise of the lore is that:

1) the research facility is being used to systematically kidnap men, women, and children for the purpose of lethal testing and military training respectively, both recent developments and due to the Ukraine conflict.

The facility is making ground on the basis of two to three decades of prior gene research in perfecting human samples for the purpose of selective traits. Post-conflict, the facility has gone into overdrive in order to meet vague demands for preparation from warring factions. Very bleak

2) The lowest level of the facility contains the real research; cybernetics. The research facility was set up following the fall of the Soviet Union as a UN security council private initiative. The scope of the research is the development of human technologies and artificial intelligence for the purpose of international peace.

The research conducted prior led to a recognition that human computing capacities exceed potential silicon developments by decades; everyone involved in funding it (every ruling class) then recognises that tethering humans up to an Ethernet is the new wheel. Originally this is fine as everyone wants to share the technology, until a populist revolt lurches nationalist state actors into power.

>>28412

*Not a secret police. The nationalists would use it to bolster its military industrial complex. The Internationalists just want this on a grander already pre-existing scale.

>>28264

Oh, so what Looking Glass were actually just about to start work on before they folded '3' rip ;_;

Pressure

> I want to make something with tiles.

I think you need to be a bit more specific in your desires.

Graphics engines can use anything you provide as a tile in 2D and basically spray it onto the game map. 3D can usually use decals in some way to position it onto an already made model.

Previous anon is right, you're too vague.

>>28405

>>28399

I am thinking about games like the classic rollercoaster tycoon worked. The OP image shows blocks for the terrain and for the game they need to be correctly arranged. For this I look for a program which arranges my "tiles" (maybe this is the wrong term) correctly.

You could program your game with the aid of a 2D isometric tiling engine.

>>28220

> even if you have top tier talent the chances of making it big are slim.

Making it big is random chance. Toady One has more talent in his shit than Notch has in his entire body, but Notch is the millionaire.

>>28349

Because Notch made something that the masses happened to like. Toady knows his game will only ever be appreciated by a niche group and he's fine with it.

That is to say, don't pander to the masses or any groups because your creations will always suffer for it. But do be aware of your potential audience.

>>28242

What games have you made anon. Send links

>>28242

Its all in the design, m80. You need to figure out what experience you provide the player with before anything else and every change you make you iterate on that expirience and do a mental check if it still makes sense gameplay-wise. If you had many unsuccessful games you probably made genre cutouts/clones of previous games. Or, worst case, you made them too big and never quite fleshed them out.

ofc you could've been also just very unlucky or unmarketable (mspaint turds for assets, fart music etc.), in which case games themselves had fuckall to do with it.

Every dream is like that, anon. They say success is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration, and people tend to forget about the latter part when they dream.

In my experience the real proportions are more like 0.2%/99.8% though.

>taking ss13 development seriously

HA

I've looked at the shitfest you guys call git repositories. It's unbelievable.

>>28396

you could fix that and form it into something that you desire with a player base that would enjoy your work

>>28394

fair dues

I would suck dick for this. Coders if interested in this shouldn't team up with anyone having to do with ss13 currently.

>>28393

>2-d game

>modern computing

>not porting logic to lua/python/yaml

why don't you just make a python api OP?

>>28735

>when you actually watch the video

Damn, fucked sprites, fucked controls, fucked source code, fucked text wall logfile necessary in a visual game, fucked ui interaction

better question, why has noone redone this from scratch, yet there has been all these "remakes" that use the same shitty system?

>>28259

Noted. There's an easy fix for that which I'll do, the whole game has to be re-written from scratch anyway.

>>28388

Nothing. I'm either dedicating all my day working on this like I did back when I started this, or I do almost nothing until I get my financial situation fixed... or half fixed, which will take me a long time since I'm broke. Until I get back to working on this I have no new updates on the game, sorry.

>>28389

You should activate the donate button on your page and just post a little bit each day.

>>28391

I tried that, couldn't get any donations though. I suppose the game is just not interesting enough at this stage. But yes, I should post more stuff.

Anyone have VHS Pro?

>>25082

anybody got the Shader Forge thingerydoo?

>>27964

>Never heard of Unity until now.

>>28373

The guy is a red pilled /pol/itical conspirator. He's not a turbonerd like the rest of us.

A few years ago, I made a puzzle game for the NES (it was a version of Mastermind) in assembly. It was definitely a new experience for me, but it was a lot of fun and very rewarding. Maybe some time I'll go and make a new, more complicated game in C.

>>28676

Probably just a platformer to get into the swing of it. RPGs and puzzle games have way more balancing involved to make them fun. Platformers are far easier to make fun with less effort.

>>28712

I've been programming a side scrolling platformer in C for the sega mega drive/genesis, it has worked out pretty well so far but I've had a few issues so I'm sort of taking a break while I figure out what to do to fix the issues.

>>28361

Sounds interesting, can you post some links to the tools and documentation you're working with? I've wanted to learn to program the 6502 for a long time.

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