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File: 05dc5809ff53d44⋯.jpg (64.82 KB, 900x900, 1:1, unnamed.jpg)

 No.2115641[View All]

I'm not sure if discussing e-celebs is allowed here but I wanted to ask you guys some questions concerning Mauler and the objective/subjective critical analysis.

Is he right in that films/art is objective?

If that's true, why is it objective and what does he mean by "measurable criteria"? He never explains what that is.

Is an opinion a fact? Or is an opinion informed by a fact?

And many more I wanted to touch on but I just want to ask this for the time being.

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 No.2116355

>>2116345

>this stream is long and tedious

Sorry anon but no shit. The number of people who stream prepared content is vanishingly small.

Mauler has got a nice voice. That's literally it. The actual content is essentially him and his critic buddies brainstorming early drafts for critique videos. Most complaints about length come from people not realising you are getting behind the scenes or maybe people think video essay fags just sit down and knock out a 2 hour video with no effort.

>To go deeper about than the surface level critiques

Nobody will watch it. There were/are video essayist people out there who did/do interesting stuff about film. Nobody watches it because the movies aren't blockbusters and you have to know something to appreciate what's being shown.

Everyone who can sequence can understand plot and these fags talk about popular movies. This is just the next stage of RLM. It's not popcorn criticism…we need a term for it tbh.

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 No.2116359

https ://www.youtube. com/watch?v=8xu0erPY-Ss&t=77s

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 No.2116360

>>2116355

>Sorry anon but no shit. The number of people who stream prepared content is vanishingly small.

That's an excuse, he can definitely improve his content by taking the extra steps required to make sure his videos don't go so long that it takes half a day to see understand his point.

>Mauler has got a nice voice. That's literally it.

That's arguable, he's very monotoned and it gets grating over time which is why I can't stand watching EFAP for longer than an hour.

>The actual content is essentially him and his critic buddies brainstorming early drafts for critique videos. Most complaints about length come from people not realising you are getting behind the scenes or maybe people think video essay fags just sit down and knock out a 2 hour video with no effort.

Then why not make two separate streams? One where he discusses brainstorming ideas and ones where he discusses video essays? Why must he come in unprepared?

>Nobody will watch it. There were/are video essayist people out there who did/do interesting stuff about film. Nobody watches it because the movies aren't blockbusters and you have to know something to appreciate what's being shown.

You can apply film theory and deeper critiques to blockbusters to explain why it's good or bad. There's several video essayists that can do that, a blockbuster is still a movie. Even if it's not that popular, who fucking cares? The point is to discuss art, right? Then just discuss, someone will hear it and it could inspire someone in their writing.

>Everyone who can sequence can understand plot and these fags talk about popular movies. This is just the next stage of RLM. It's not popcorn criticism…we need a term for it tbh.

They're long-form video essays, which Plinkett does I think.

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 No.2116361

>>2116360

>That's an excuse

It's an explanation.

>why not make two separate streams

Some of them still make critique videos so you could watch those.

>apply film theory and deeper critiques to blockbusters

No fuck off. Either you're really this dumb or you're a pleb who wants someone to make him feel big brained about watching kids movies. Yeah fuck why not just apply film theory and like make some trashy blockbuster suddenly intereting. lmao

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 No.2116362

This thread reeks of salty jennyniggers mad that jenny is exposed as a fucking shill and a retard. Imagine thinking informing the unwashed masses about why TLJ sucks is bad.

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 No.2116364

>>2116343

>he doesn't really bring up stuff like the narrative structure of a film. That is how is the film constructed and why the writing is weak or strong because of that. Or film theory, which is all about the methods of story telling and writing that people making films use to direct a movie or inform their opinion on a film.

I agree. He would do a lot better if he could tackle movies that aren't shit and require a bit more understanding of structure.

>Lucas script

So changes made in execution to change the story, meaning they aren't separate. Understood. I guess either I'm wrong and he is too, or I've misunderstood his point.

>>2116345

>There's a problem in doing so because the impression stops being "oh, these guys are just countering points" to just flat out attacking people's opinions while calling it criticism.

>To be fair, it's more Mauler's gay furries who do that but he does partake in it.

>pausing it to scream "YOU FUCKING MORON DIPSHIT OBJECTIVELY IT'S NOT/IT IS!" They do it to nearly everyone they talk about.

I actually agree with this. EFAP tends to get derailed by the attack dogs. Mauler often tries to give the video they cover a fair shake, but more and more he's just letting Rags go at it. It's annoying trying to listen to them piece together their thoughts then suddenly go on a tangent because some fucker in chat said rhino milk. I know that Rags is one of the founders and hosts, but it doesn't excuse this decline into just attacks. I wish mauler do more with the brit crowd. They tend to be a lot more mellow.

>Why not just give effort? Their planning could be watching the video and discussing it.

Because muh streambux. That and I doubt many people would tune in to watch them plan out their thoughts. It's always more "entertaining" to see them tear into people, even if those people are undeserving. They fall into the problem of popularity, where they got popular due to their Disney Star Wars critique and shitting on it. Anything else they try to branch out into isn't as popular. GoT was an exception because it turned out like Star Wars by making a lot of fans angry and was very easy to look at the flaws.

>autism posting

I'm glad you wrote all this out. It makes your points a lot clearer. Sorry for my autism in response.

>>2116362

I wanted to see what critics of Mauler had to say. I was disappointed at first because their arguments were terrible. Then when they were expanded upon, I could see the merits. Mauler should take some of them to heart if he wants to continue to improve. You might not need a degree telling you that you can now watch movies properly, but you should at least study more of the craft and reference these aspects if you want to get serious with it. For Mauler, this should be right up his alley. I guess the real issue is he doesn't have a challenger. Most of the people who argue against him are retarded, so he never has a need to grow past just surface level.

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 No.2116369

>>2116361

>It's an explanation.

It doesn't though, it does not excuse his lack of planning because no one else is doing it, why should he? He said himself that he likes content that are well-written/well-researched so why not apply that to his streams?

>No fuck off. Either you're really this dumb or you're a pleb who wants someone to make him feel big brained about watching kids movies. Yeah fuck why not just apply film theory and like make some trashy blockbuster suddenly intereting. lmao

Who says blockbusters are kids movies? Sometimes the flaws of a film are far more complex than the surface level details and using film theory could help dig into why these films have those flaws and what makes it bad story telling.

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 No.2116371

>>2116364

It's alright, anon. I apologize for the spergy initial response I gave to you. As someone who posts on a barely functional Philippine basket weaving forum, I care a lot about movies. There's a lot going on in a film, it's like a watch. It has a lot of little cogs that function in unison to make a watch work. Those cogs are: writing, visuals, audio, acting, directing, editing and so on. I recommend reading some books about film theory or watching videos explaining film theory. It can help in learning things like mise-en-scene and help improve analyzation skills.

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 No.2116429

>>2115641

99% of people claiming that something is subjective only do so because it doesn't fit their opinion or accomodate their feelings and can't come to term with reality.

an example of such lies: "beauty is subjective"

meanwhile "world ugliest dog" is a thing, a literal competition, and there is no doubt as to their state of ugliness.

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 No.2116445

>>2116364

A problem that might come up is that the other host of his podcast is so full of himself you'd think his lungs are full of his own farts or something.

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 No.2116537

>>2116445

You mean Rags? Whatever happened to that other gay furry he had on there?

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 No.2116569

>>2116537

From what I understand he got anxiety or some shit over some real life issues, or maybe it the internet and twitter so he took a hiatus and nuked his videos.

This was a few months or a year ago. He then came back, made a decent video on the Watchmen TV show(this is when I first even heard of him), made another video on whatever, then apparently had another round of PTSD and made a "goodbye I'm leaving the internet for good" video.

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 No.2116659

>>2116369

>Who says blockbusters are kids movies?

Everyone that isn't a man/womanchild.

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 No.2116670

>>2116659

But a blockbuster is just a film that's successful. It doesn't need to be fantasy genre shit.

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 No.2116744

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>Gahoole mention

>Channel Awesome mentions

>MovieBlob mentions

>JENNAY mentions

Was this the greatest stream of all time?

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 No.2116748

>>2116744

>fathole

hummm.

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 No.2116781

Does anyone know who else is in the Anti Mauler Review Crew? I know it's Quinton, Ralph, Lindsay, Jennay but no idea who else

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 No.2116786

File: 339609d5c70eebc⋯.jpg (127.33 KB, 738x908, 369:454, blockbusters.jpg)

>>2116670

>doesn't need

Yeah right. Only if you adjust for inflation and go back to pre-70s do you get movies for adults being blockbusters. Face it anon you watch childrens movies like all the other baby brains.

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 No.2116789

File: 98b1ef509ec6904⋯.jpg (93.33 KB, 900x400, 9:4, lt.jpg)

>>2116781

Someone send this to Mauler cause I dunno how

Can you guess who they are

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 No.2116790

>>2116744

>>Gahoole mention

The Snyder movie.

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 No.2116910

What's the spicscord? I literally can't find this shit. Is it Patreon only?

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 No.2116940

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>>2116786

Unironically brainlet thinking, pic related grossed $1.8 billion dollars when adjusted for inflation making it a blockbuster.

Your move, baitnigger.

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 No.2116961

>>2116940

> grossed $1.8 billion dollars

How on earth could the public opinion change so drastically in the span of 2-3 decades?

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 No.2116966

>>2116961

>How could public opinion so drastically shift in 2-3 decades, that people were no longer receptive to a message of virile self-realization for their people

Shitposting answer: (((how indeed)))!

Real answer: not downplaying the efforts entryists and subversives, liberal and progressivist rhetoric has been part of American politics since it's founding, though of course the exact scope of what this enlightenment philosophy would progress to certainly wasn't anticipated by the founders. The logical advance of this inborn taint of enlightenment philosophy, along with the post-war era of unprecedented material plenty and security naturally produced a decadent and maladjusted people, alienated from their traditions and religious virtues, which could no longer identify with the confidence and virile will to shape the world of their forebears, or even just to assert their right to exist in the face of foreign aggression.

Once people are forced to reckon with a less comfortable and risk free existence then this decadence will fade, and the film will resonate in the same way again.

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 No.2117131

>>2116940

>muh ancestor posting

Yeah you're the big brained nigger alright.

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 No.2117189

>>2117131

That's nice, mate. Too bad you can never answer the question without trying to autistically bait anons into derailing the thread.

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 No.2117228

People associating with furries aren't any better than furries themselves.

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 No.2117607

>>2117228

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure one of the furries he hung around was a pedo.

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 No.2117608

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 No.2117625

>>2117607

That's an oxymoron. All furries are pedos like how all male feminist are cucks or sexual abusers.

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 No.2117749

MauLer is a king

Rags too, He is not a furry it's just an avatar

Wolf is not a pedophile he just lost a loved one

PROVE ME WRONG

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 No.2117774

>>2117749

It's hard not be called a furry or be convinced if you have an entire folder of images and gifs you use for a persona(I assume they're comissioned too because I doubt he's an artist).

Mauler's alright though. He at least in the podcast tries to be as fair as possible and even if they completely shit on a guy's video he still somewhat maintains a level of cordiality should the creator jump in to defend himself. I could swear that first hour of his Force Awakens video reeked of asshurt against hhbomberguy and whomever else he mentions since it comes off as a "Hey guys I had online drama with X and Y and this is my defense case".

On an unrelated note what the fuck is up with animated reviewers? It's like most of them barely use whatever the stand-in for themselves in a creative or funny way, just have the thing move eyes or hands.

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 No.2117940

File: 3fd792ba2648a70⋯.png (1.26 MB, 1057x1200, 1057:1200, 03981a8df04fab30e5adc804a9….png)

>>2117749

>Rags is not a furry

"Objectively" wrong, he commissioned porn of his avatar and has a furaffinity account.

https://www.furaffinity.net/user/-rags/

>Wolf is not a pedophile he just lost a love one

Was that Wolf? If that's true then I'd say there is probably more to it since "pedophile" is quite a fucking leap from "losing a love one."

>MauLer is a king

Yaaaas, I too love pasty, balding cunts telling me how smart they are.

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 No.2117941

>>2117940

>not even an anthropomorphic dog

>just straight up bestiality

Rope all the furfags.

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 No.2117944

File: dd81af5a4f03592⋯.jpg (19.43 KB, 308x373, 308:373, Analogman.jpg)

>>2117940

I want to fuck that dog

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 No.2118055

>>2117607

Wolf allegedly asked for nudes from an underage girl. I don’t now the details, it’s just something I heard

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 No.2118059

>>2118055

hmmmmmmmm

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 No.2118345

>>2118055

that type of behavior seems to be a pattern among ecelebs

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 No.2118370

>>2117940

What the fuck is wrong with e-celebs

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 No.2118405

>>2118370

>be guy who hit a dead end in life

>start making love or hate letters to movies, books or vidya you enjoy or dislike

>get popular of it

>make a living off of it through e-begging sites like patreon or youtube superchats or whathaveyou

>get an ego because people are asking for your opinions and are listening to you

>get an even bigger ego because you think your popularity vindicates you and it makes anyone who thinks anything other than you're the best a meanie bobeenie

>and you've got nothing else to do because it's your primary revenue source

I have no idea how exaggerated Wolf's story is but I can at least give him credit for realizing how being an e-celeb was cancer and this is from someone who keeps his and mauler's stuff around as entertaining background noise when doing tedious shit.

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 No.2118484

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>>2118055

So we're now believing any claims made by sjws looking to discredit people they dislike?

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 No.2118486

File: 87fd5029d4607bd⋯.jpg (130.11 KB, 647x659, 647:659, 87f.jpg)

His streams are objectively too long

<longman bad!

Yes

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 No.2118488

>>2118486

you dont wanna listen to someone for 11 hrs be boring as shit well buddy your just objectively a loser

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 No.2118506

File: 54c347e19e39fe1⋯.jpeg (5.04 KB, 256x197, 256:197, easy.jpeg)

>Haha guys look at his fucking face

>Women Bad

>I'm a furry!

>Objectively subjective

>I'm gonna suck your dick if you don't stop talking!

>Quinton (A film student), Jenny (A script doctor), Ralph (A director) don't know better than us, an Autist, a Furry and fucking Jay

You people like this? Yikes.

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 No.2118507

>>2115949

you're objectively wrong

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 No.2118521

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Daily reminder that Mauler's furfaggot friend made embed related.

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 No.2118639

>>2118521

Jesus Christ. Which one?

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 No.2118687

>>2117774

It's lazy, easy editing. They're unbearable faggots.

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 No.2118696

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 No.2118713

>>2118696

It really would not surprise me, although I still have to make sure. do you have proof?

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