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0a6b2a  No.96874

TL;DR - what are some logical arguments against the reparations argument?

The argument is:

x's group has historically stolen and financially deprived y's group therefore x now owes financial reparations to y.

The best counter:

Individuals are not recognized by law for others actions. if x's father was a murderer, we would not prosecute x's son with any crime under any circumstance.

Justifications of this argument 1:

x has created a system that never allows y to succeed(institutionalized oppression).

add:

Using this justification is strong because there may be some truth hidden in it.

Counter 1:

Examples of people who wish to join the group x's society more than their own. logically x cannot be repressing, if people choose it over others.(the counter to this is [x's group has a world power and occupation of many world resources and now extracts them by force causing deprivation and making y's place less desirable than x][the counter to that is that - y's enclaves are identical to y's current home] this world power argument will need more exploration).

Counter 2:

Examples of people who have succeeded both individually and as a group in x's society.

individually = pick any successful member of that group. x cannot be oppressing y if individuals are able to succeed.

Group = example of group that has arrived in more recent times than y and succeeded - logically y cannot be oppressed because this new group example is succeeding.

Justification 2:

If x's father stole a painting and passed it on to his eventual great great grand son, y's great great grand son should be compensated or given the painting.

add:

another strong argument, also quite topical because it represents recent discussions around the corona lockdown and the percolating wealth at the top. handing down wealth that was not fairly obtained. If big finance and and corporations are consolidating wealth, we are tempted to demand it taken back - but this may be morally inconsistent. Must find the difference in comparison

Counter 1:

The word "stole" should be challenged as the first point. Lack of verifiable facts around the way that x was able to become wealthy in this environment. fairly out-competing y.

Counter 2:

challenging the "Stole" logical angle is (false comparison)- x did not steal a painting, x stole a blank canvas. His son added to the canvas and so on, so logically the resulting masterpiece has no claim by y.

Pic somewhat related

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000000  No.96898

>>96874

Reparations are naturally a type of welfare, which seeks to improve the lives of those who do not deserve it.

This means that it is diametrically opposed to a meritocracy. If you can make people come to the conflict of their beliefs that "Everybody deserves an equal opportunity" and "Giving people a reward for no effort reinforces bad behaviour, like a child having a temper tantrum over candy" then they might begin to understand.

Point out how many times people already have gotten reparations and how little that's really changed. How much money is already being funneled into welfare. Despite that fact, how performance has not increased and like a bad child they have a tantrum for more yet again.

You cannot win an argument about emotion with logic, you must fight it with emotion. You must always let people change their minds as well, that's all you can encourage them to do.

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d37b70  No.96912

>>96874

>what are some logical arguments against the reparations argument?

I don't own shit to anyone who can't prove that I in debt to him, and that's all

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6d2a88  No.96928

>>96898

>You cannot win an argument about emotion with logic

/thread

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5f7e3c  No.96978

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>>96912

Do you think anyone owes you anything though?

I mean, logically, if we are talking about reparations, the niggers and Mexicans and bugs should all pay us all that they have in reparations for the science and technology that we enriched their lives with…it could have been a wonderful experience for them to have access to this technology but due to their own nature they utterly fucked up every aspect of the responsibility in handling it. Not our problem. That doesn’t mean that they don’t owe us every single last advance that has been the result of our own superior cognition over the last 500-1000 years.

>>96898

The ‘idea’ behind reparations was that it was a LEGAL judgment against the defense, not that the kikeniggers got to plunder and murder anyone who resisted them. I think the word itself has lost so much of its original meaning, much like Justice, that it no longer has any real meaning in modern society.

I think that reparations are fine when they are the result of a legal judgment that seeks to provide Justice to those who have been stolen from…in this case Western Europeans have had more stolen from them by parasites than any other people in the history of the planet (with the exception of Cro-Magnon who lost everything and was genocided). They are left over from a time when Justice was not ‘blind’ and fettered and disabled, like she is now. There hasn’t been any Justice on this planet in 6,000 years (or more) so the very idea of reparations is totally invalid.

But lets say that a neighbor stole a cow from you, it died and he had a family feast and ate it. Do you think that he doesn’t owe you the price of the cow? Does it make you ‘weak’ because you ‘don’t deserve’ payment for goods that were stolen from you that OBVIOUSLY cannot be returned?

Kikeniggers have perverted Justice until it screams in pain each time one of their horrendous hate filled ‘judgments’ is made against Humanity.

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39465c  No.96990

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>>96874

One argument that comes to mind is the fact that without a past, there would be no present.

A "legacy of slavery" that is always ignored is that Negroes in the US are 1) alive today and, 2) US citizens. If the hadn't been sold into slavery to (((slave merchants))) they would have been slaughtered by their African conquerors. If their subjugated forefathers had somehow managed to survive, their descendants would be enduring the short, brutal hell that is life in African for most Africans.

By the logic of reparations supporters, Negroes should pay us for the service our ancestors did to them.

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f6722e  No.96995

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>>96874

Considering what they spend Trumpbux on, go ahead and give 'em reparations so they'll spend it back into the White economy and then have to shut up about it forever.

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000000  No.97013

>>96874

>TL;DR - what are some logical arguments against the reparations argument?

Read up on white slavery. Whites were enslaved along slide blacks by the Crown. The Crown shipped whites to America to be slaves. Whites lived with and worked along side blacks as slaves. It was the white republican man who freed the salves from the Crown backed confederate Jew democrat exploiters. The KKK was founded by freemasonic Democrats Juda P. Benjamin and Albert Pike.The NAACP was founded by Jews. The British freemasonic cult members of the International Order of B'nai B'rith, whose first freemasonic cult temple (lodge) was founded in NY on 9/11/1851, is the parent NGO of the ADL who would hire whites to attack blacks and used their propaganda/media assets to vilify whites and used their legal assets to conduct lawfare against whites.

Read up on Dr. Tony Martin who used Jewish historical records to discover that it was Jews who enslaved blacks.

Whites are being targeted to repay blacks as a vehicle to induce greater social turbulence and make whites poor so they can't afford to have a large nuclear family. It's the Jews who should be pay reparations to whites and blacks.

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359c3a  No.97106

"It's not my fault if your forefathers lost. Quit crying."

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b9ff74  No.98417

Niggers are never gonna get over slavery. I should know my work where the majority of the employees are niggers and the area is also have a high nigger population and they will never let it go. We should totally abuse the Jew/Leftist push for reparations into pushing Jews to pay for reparations. Niggers don’t care who’s giving them the money so long as they’re getting it. Hell I had a Bernie faggot send me a text if I was voting for the bolshevikike and just put them on the spot what’s the jews stance on kikes paying reparations for enslaving niggers. Literally made the soyboy sweat bullets because they know there’s no moral ground to defend on that or else get muh raycisms.

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e91c26  No.98430

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>current year +5

>still believing in rule of law and civil discourse

OP is in for a big suprise.

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02d94a  No.98997

Counter 1:

Reparations are naturally a type of welfare, which seeks to improve the lives of those who do not deserve it. This is diametrically opposed to a meritocracy.

If you believe in equality - than this is a discriminatory practice. "everyone deserves equal opportunity!"

Counter 2:

We can use examples of how welfare as a practice - does not assist the recipients increase their standard of living.

"Giving people a reward for no effort reinforces bad behavior, like a child having a temper tantrum over candy"

Counter 3:

If you are able to quantify the reparations - you would need to subtract the generous welfare handouts received by that individual throughout their live.

"only net contributors in tax would even have a tiny claim to make" also "The contributions in tax to the world of y would need to be taken out of the reparation. The lowest class person today has access to a better world than any king of 250 years ago" - before using this counter - you must make the interlocutor admit that they believe groups should be responsible for the whole group.

Counter 4:

US and Aus - The Royal Family of the United Kingdom should be the target of the claim for reparations, not the taxpayers of x. (Royals are useless traitors anyway)

Counter 5:

Do not make a form of reparations mandatory. Make a donation centre where members of group x can make voluntary donations to group y. if x decided of his own volition then there is no coercion. (I suspect that it should be lampooned that the donators are entitled to have their names displayed on a record website, because my suspicion is the only reason for a member of x group - is to attempt to attain social currency to show off to others.)

Counter 6:

Psycologize them in a slightly patronizing way dressed up in a sense of understanding:

"I know that when ive been wronged - and the perpetrator is gone, and i may never be able to get justice for them, that i have a natural tendency to blame others and seek to place blame anywhere that it can be dealt. But unfortunately when the perpetrator is gone, there will be no justice for the loss. Any as many other ppl that i blame wont fix the situation. On the contrary - it'll fill the accuser up with bitter resentment for all those around you. it fills you with hate and anger." "do you have friends in x group? Is your friendship with them contingent on their apology and supplication to your whims regarding these reparations? Is that a form of pre judgement on the part of those people? Dare i say, racist?"

The best emotional counter:

"When I look at the innocence of a child as they play, with their profound unaware happiness, and infinite capacity for love, to think that y would go and forcefully impede their laughter, stand over them, and start ordering, that they should be giving reparations about something they have no concept of, I see the moral bankruptcy of this train of thought, and I am utterly disgusted".

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fe90d7  No.101178

The only video on reparations you need to watch.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/FIgrXvePffM/

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eb0ce4  No.101182

>>96874

Statute of limitations, my man.

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3d33c8  No.101400

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Thank God you got so lucky, you would be living in Africa, as fucked up as it is your family paid a great toll for you to have the quality of life and opportunity that comes with being from the west.

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cc385c  No.101402

>>96874

> what are some logical arguments against the reparations argument?

1. We did nothing to you. We owe you nothing in recompense.

2. Stop calling for reparations or we’ll kill all of you.

3. We deserve reparations FROM you, but we’ll settle for you returning to Africa and never coming back.

4. Kill yourself for being retarded, OP.

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f9a5fd  No.101411

Bump because this thread is being slided by filthy faggot kikes.

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e3f6ba  No.101413

>>101400

How the fuck is the system sustainable likewise?

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cc385c  No.101418

>>101411

>you’re a jew because you don’t want people wasting their time playing by jews’ rules, using jews’ dialectics, and working within a framework that only allows jews to win

Sage.

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f9a5fd  No.101425

>>101418

Have another bump.

Imma down your "muh pr0n" slide threads, Rhodesia thread next.

>>60790

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3d33c8  No.101455

>>101413

It's sustainable because there's more whites. For now anyway,

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e3f6ba  No.101460

>>101455

Yeah I grasp what per capita means, are spics counted in the 56% "White" demographics, cause if yes shit should be grumbling from deficit for at least a decade know.

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429a6b  No.101646

File: 9a7ce284f278014⋯.jpg (455.38 KB, 802x612, 401:306, nigger_reality.jpg)

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77a9df  No.101677

President Monroe founded the nation of Liberia in Africa, which was intended as a homeland for the african-american diasapora. Its flag is nearly identical to the US flag, its capital is Monrovia, and its currency is the US dollar. Freed slaves were repatriated back to Africa.

Perhaps the US Gov't should state that all descendents of slaves have a choice - accept reparations spent on repatriation to Liberia, or else decide to remain in US society without any further prejudice of injustice. Or issue executive order to repatriate all of them back to Africa unilaterally to address the injustice of slavery.

https://wiki2.org/en/Back-to-Africa_movement

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edb71e  No.101684

>>101677

NO FUCKING WAY ARE THE NIGGERS GOING TO REMAIN IN OUR NATION SHITTING IT UP YOU FAGGOT!!

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34dd1d  No.101847

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>101684

Some nice music to listen to about those new neighbours. Enjoy that cultural enrichment boyo.

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cc385c  No.110165

There are zero arguments for reparations. You’re a brain damaged shill and your spam thread has been allowed to remain for over a month.

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