Oregon House Democrats Pass Universal Health Care Proposal

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Oregon House Democrats Pass Universal Health Care Proposal Cowboy ## Reporter 02/18/20 (Tue) 02:57:19 No.253049

By: Fedor Zarkhin

A proposal to ask Oregon voters if access to health care is a fundamental right cleared the first of three major hurdles in the Legislature on Monday, with a majority “yes” vote propelling the referendum proposal out of the House and into the Senate.

If House Joint Resolution 202 makes it out of the Senate in early March, then Oregonians voting in the Nov. 3 election will decide if the state owes every resident “access to cost-effective, clinically appropriate and affordable health care.”

As lofty as the resolution is, so were the statements lawmakers made in its support.

“A healthy Oregon is a value we share,” Portland Democrat Rob Nosse said on the House floor. “I believe it is fundamental and important enough that it ought to be enumerated in our constitution as an individual right.”

The bill is Rep. Mitch Greenlick’s last chance to succeed in his many-year effort to get a right to health care into the Oregon Constitution. The Portland Democrat plans to retire at the end of the year, and his proposal faces a tight deadline and short attention spans as lawmakers race to enact other contentious legislation before the short session ends.

Greenlick’s universal health care bills failed in 2018, 2015, 2013, 2010 and 2007.

The 2018 proposal died amid questions about its potential cost, given that it didn’t address how the state would pay to ensure everyone gets health care.

The current proposal doesn’t address that, either. But it does give the state an escape route: Oregon wouldn’t have to ensure access to health care if doing so would get in the way of funding “essential public services.”

The resolution has 26 sponsors in the House and four in the Senate. Out of the state’s 38 Democratic representatives, 36 voted to pass. No Republicans voted in favor of the bill.

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/02/oregon-house-democrats-pass-universal-health-care-proposal.html

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Anonymous 02/18/20 (Tue) 03:32:48 No.253051

>>253049

>Health Care is a universal right

>illegal immigrants come in to take free shit

>Oregon collapses due to the taxes being so high

>oh no why did this happen i could not predict it.

Fuck these sheltered leftists.

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Anonymous 02/18/20 (Tue) 06:58:55 No.253064

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I'd be okay with free healthcare if they did it properly. Fuck the insurance companies right up the ass, force hospitals to lower their prices to at-cost plus wages, and directly pay them instead of letting insurance middlemen gouge people. Instead, what's going to happen is they're just going to pay billions to hospitals and insurance companies, raise taxes through the roof, allow sub-par quality health care, and wonder why the fuck everyone is leaving their shithole state when things get unbearable.

Also:

>Greenlick’s universal health care bills failed in 2018, 2015, 2013, 2010 and 2007.

Throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks. It will pass eventually, and then they'll patch the cracks with shoddy band-aid fixes later down the road. Fucking disgusting.

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Anonymous 02/18/20 (Tue) 07:53:45 No.253065

>>253064

>I'd be okay with free healthcare if they did it properly. Fuck the insurance companies right up the ass, force hospitals to lower their prices to at-cost plus wages, and directly pay them instead of letting insurance middlemen gouge people. Instead, what's going to happen is they're just going to pay billions to hospitals and insurance companies, raise taxes through the roof, allow sub-par quality health care, and wonder why the fuck everyone is leaving their shithole state when things get unbearable.

I agree. The two main issues is the fact that there is no competition due to over regulation by the Government and also the fact that health insurance should be allowed outside of each state for competition. More options equals more choices. But instead it's just let the government set prices and not fix the issues. I can imagine the waiting list being long and everyone complaining about the universal health Care plan being much worse due to patients taking years to be looked at or even operated on.

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Anonymous 02/18/20 (Tue) 10:40:16 No.253071

>>253049

Lol…free healthcare is a right? What next? Free college to anyone? Free money for any reason whatsoever to anyone?

I agree the poorest should maybe get some of those things, but not everyone. Who do they think will PAY for it all?

>>253051

It's not just them…..some of em want the quick and large influx of thankful new voters to their voting block with little care HOW they get it or what happens as a result.

>>253064

I agree mostly….I think the best, most skilled should be able to get extra income from it to encourage people to want to go through many years of schooling to do such careers….otherwise yeah, your ideas are very solid.

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Anonymous 02/18/20 (Tue) 13:03:40 No.253073

So, what, do they enslave doctors? I mean, healthcare is apparently a right, so what if the doctor doesn't want to provide it? Send him to jail for a rights violation? Why even become a doctor? Altruism? If people were so altruistic the government wouldn't need to step in in the first place - people would spend their own money on the healthcare of their countrymen (without the IRS as middlemen), and big pharma would cut people a break.

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Anonymous 02/18/20 (Tue) 14:00:55 No.253077

>A proposal to ask Oregon voters if access to health care is a fundamental right

whether it is or not, there's a thriving capitalist industry providing it anyway

as for whether it's the government's duty to provide health care, it is not so indicated in the constitution and yet we have organizations like the CDC taking care of the big shit anyway

whether it is a right or not, state-funded health care for citizens is hardly the worst expenditure of tax dollars, and if it serves as competition to the bloated medical insurance industry so much the better

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Anonymous 02/18/20 (Tue) 15:08:03 No.253086

>>253077

Though I disagree that "free" healthcare is a good idea for various reasons, I am fine with your reasoning (or at least my interpretation) that it's hardly the worst use of tax money, and even more important: that free healthcare doesn't make healthcare a right, but rather it was a spending decision alone.

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Anonymous 02/18/20 (Tue) 22:50:01 No.253096

Rob Nosse is a faggot. Small little dude. He's got the leadership charisma of a wet mouse. He's "married" to a man. They have gay-adoped some little boys. True story.

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Anonymous 02/18/20 (Tue) 23:17:28 No.253097

>>253049

I would take the money if they're willing to give us 'free' money with no strings attached. But knowing exactly how government entraps people and makes the become dependent on them, I'm sure at some point there would be strings attached in order to get that 'free' money.

This is what desperate idiots fail to understand. This won't be about charity, it will be about control. And there will be new requirements added every year. Sooner or later, they'll require you to take a rfid chip to track you. Next they'll require you to routinely see psychiatrists to profile you. Next they'll require you to allow officials to inspect your home to make sure you are 'safe'. Next they'll require you hand over your guns. Next they'll require you to move out of your house and into a federal-run 'fun camp' where you will have your own little cube to sleep in. And of-course if you refuse any of these requirements they'll cut you off and leave you to fend for yourself.

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